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- DaffyDuck, on 12/13/2007, -10/+63"there are some higher-ups at Apple that actually have an appreciation of beauty in engineering"
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Take the hidden MacBook Pro webcam light as an example of this. I don't think any other company would bother going through the effort to clean up the viewing facade or frame of the display by adding what is probably a very non-common manufacturing technique in order to hide a very small off-center black dot. The hinge design on Apple laptops is also superior to most of their competitors. As a mechanical engineer, I appreciate these things. In general, Apple pays attention to the details. When they add a particular feature, they don't do it half-assed. They do it in interesting ways and it seems they put a lot of thought into it. - inactive, on 12/13/2007, -17/+49Yeah how ironic as I sit here typing on my iMac that just crashed Safari twice while surfing Digg. Safari 3.0 just plain sucks. Yeah, Apple just works.
- Skanadian, on 12/13/2007, -18/+48You have to be bat ***** insane to devote so much love to a corporation. Buying all their products, getting their logo tattooed onto you, and trying to persuade Windows users to switch to Macs like you're a ***** missionary.
Baaaaaaaaaaah - Skanadian, on 12/13/2007, -5/+33Generalizations - Making you look stupid since the beginning of time.
- WiseWeasel, on 12/13/2007, -29/+55Personally, I grew up on Macs, so I might not be the best person to ask, but I'd say it's because Apple obviously cares enough about the user/customer to release products that do the things I want to do well, with incredible attention to detail. Using their products, you can immediately tell that a lot of love and sweat was poured into basic elements many other vendors tend to skip over. It often seems that there are some higher-ups at Apple that actually have an appreciation of beauty in engineering, of both hardware and software, and this permeates through many of the products they sell. I feel that they care when I use their products (relative to many alternatives on the market), so I care back.
- addurobi, on 12/13/2007, -35/+53Yeah, "It just works." You're doing a good job watching the commercials :). My XP just works too.
Read this:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ma ... - pilot3033, on 12/13/2007, -1/+17Cmd+C and Cmd+V...
Or, ya know, the edit menu? - demonsnake69, on 12/13/2007, -2/+18^ Blocked due to your completely worthless history of textual "contributions" to digg.
This is fun. - Urkel, on 12/13/2007, -3/+18More accurately: "Macintosh users are by far the most passionate advocates that are completely incapable of having an intelligent discussion"
As a Mac user I feel OS X really is a fantastic advanced user OS. But rather than having calm and intelligent discussions, Mac users spout cliched marketing taglines like "it just works" or buzzwords like "innovative" for no reason. Saying things like that are all fine IF you understand it and can point out how other OS's "don't just work" but let's face it. Most of these -enthusiasts- couldn't hold up in a good argument.
So rather than discuss they just digg down comments like this. Passion does not equal Point. - SenatorChubby, on 12/13/2007, -23/+37i was an avid windows 98 user back when. when mac os x was first released i never looked back. i love my mac.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -5/+18way to call someone condescending and then do exactly the same thing yourself.
- pintomp3, on 12/13/2007, -2/+15loyalty to corporations is stupid.
- ravage86, on 12/13/2007, -2/+13Agreed. I knew about Apple long before I enjoyed their products. The classic OS was terrible and I never purchased their products because of it. When they changed what I didn't like about them, I started purchasing their products. It's quite simple: I buy their products because I like the products. I don't buy things I don't want, like that Apple TV.
- Me1000, on 12/13/2007, -0/+10$300?
Good God! that is a ***** rip off?
Who charges $300?
leopard is only $130, which is reasonable IMO! - c5kirk, on 12/13/2007, -3/+13Yeah... it's crazy... no Microsoft fanboy would do something so bat ***** insane as getting a logo tattooed onto themselves... oh wait... never mind....
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/11/zune-tattoo- ... - sirbeta, on 12/13/2007, -2/+12So people can spew as much Anti-Windows bile as they want, but when someone makes a legitimate claim that Mac's don't "just work" as well as the insecure computer owners want them to believe (I have nothing wrong with Mac users who at the very least have more to offer than that "It just works omg!" ***** [you know, smart mac users]), they should just switch to windows and stfu because any bad feelings directed at Steve or Apple is THE LINE IS DRAWN? The double standard is appalling.
- goffy59, on 12/13/2007, -9/+19Except for the fact that your limited and have bounderies. I can pick between ATI/NVIDIA; AMD/INTEL and many other choices. But with apple you either get this.....and really thats all you get. And they cost more. I'm all about choices and with Mac's you don't have choices.
- Katana314, on 12/13/2007, -1/+10(laughs at man who has never heard of millions of programs, and has at any point gotten spyware)
- gsadamb, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8Perhaps a lot of users don't really care that much about their OS, so long as it doesn't get in the way, and allows them to do what they need to do, whether it be using office applications or gaming.
- bowe, on 12/13/2007, -3/+11I know a kid who bought one of the first iphones. After the $200 price cut he was like, "That's the price you pay, for being on the leading edge of technology." Apple users always rationalize away any real problems with Apple.
- SD70MACMAN, on 12/13/2007, -5/+12How about a 3rd category for those of us Windows users who honestly used OSX like they would use a Windows machine, didn't like it, then stayed with Windows? I'm in that dept.
- kineticarl, on 12/13/2007, -2/+91.) My xp computer is rock solid and I barely have to do anything to keep it running smoothly.
2.) Consumer reports shows now significant difference in reliability among the major laptop manufacturers. My dell has given my no problems in 18 months.
3.) I can creatively rock an excel spreadsheet and windows doesn't "get in the way".
so, a little bit, you fail on all 3. - dagamer34, on 12/13/2007, -7/+14.... You're an idiot. Do you know how much flash costs?
- antechinus, on 12/13/2007, -5/+12Because they are consumerist wankers. Very early on, Apple's marketeers realized that if they pandered to their customer's vanity they would get loyalty in return.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7there are many kinds of sheep. check out star wars fans, led zeppelin fans, benny hin fans and so on. some people even line up to see brittney spears.
- actionscripted, on 12/13/2007, -2/+8s/and/an/
...yes. Digg-- - Me1000, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7preview does a lot more now than it was ever designed to do!
it is designed to let you open documents, images, ect. quickly (now almost replaced by quicklook)
and you can cut and paste, just not in the finder. but you can always drag and drop! - jmpeagle, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6which is why it has such great service...go to coax people/dollars into the stores. That is the whole point of business. Nothing wrong with that.
- ClunkClunk, on 12/13/2007, -5/+11Sounds like you might be well off with a Mac, as much as you don't think. You can run Windows, OS X, and many flavors of *nix on it. Your x86 machine can't (well, with a legal version of OS X, that is).
The components are quite robust, as Apple rarely uses the Dell style "what's cheap today?" type of system building. Combine that with the fact that the hardware on a Mac isn't really that different from any other x86 machine out there, as they both use similar hard drives, processors, video cards, optical drives, etc. Where Apple shines is in the details as others have said.
Design is certainly secondary to function. I certainly wouldn't pick a beautiful Yugo over an ugly Honda, but why not get a BMW and get the best of both design and function? - dimitrisokolov, on 12/13/2007, -3/+9Before the OS X era, make no mistakes, Macs sucked ass bigtime. Amiga was far better than any Mac back in the day. With OS X, things have changed dramatically. OS X rocks.
- Urkel, on 12/13/2007, -2/+8Claiming "It just works" for OS X is claiming Linux, XP, Vista and everything else doesn't. And despite the internet whining, these are all modern OS's and they all "just work".
Honestly, people like this just embarrass the mac community because they make the rest of us look like brainwashed fools. IT'S A COMMERCIAL! The "wow" doesn't necessarily start now and "Thinking Different" involves actually using your own brain rather than some billionaire in the valley. - HoldenCfld, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Exactly. If Apple ever tried to make OSX run as as many machines as Windows does, it would wipe that smug look off all fanboys faces.
OSX is a good OS, I like it a lot and would love to dual boot it. But I will never buy Mac hardware to run it, so until they make it available for PC's, or the OSx86 project gets much less painstakingly difficult, I'll be a Windows man 100% - krynsky, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5The last sentence in the story says it all.
"There are going to be Macs, and there are going to be PCs. This religious argument is very 1995; it's time to move on."
Most die hard Apple fanatics have an uncanny similarity to religious fanatics. - ferrariman60, on 12/13/2007, -9/+14Maddox is the best. Politically incorrect and funny as hell, a rare spot of real humor on the internet.
- marvinmatthew, on 12/13/2007, -1/+6"PS - Most college users use PCs-- FACT!"
Not to be a prick, but if you're going to claim something as a "FACT" please cite your source. (From what I tend to see, Macs out number Windows based computers at my university). - inactive, on 12/13/2007, -18/+231- Yes, I'm one of those Windows users who doesn't fall in either of your 'categories', I have a MBP and run Vista most of the time, due to VS (plus all of our custom software) not being available for MacOS. There's also games which is somehow even more important than work.
2- Come on, I'm in college too, there are lots of Macs but they don't even come close to number of PCs.
3- Mac users are more likely to treat their laptop as a portable computer, what do you think PC users treat their laptops as?!! non-portable computers? - Me1000, on 12/13/2007, -1/+6I dont think so!
when was the last time anyone waited in line for the "launch" of a new shoe? - Firehed, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Macs aren't stuck with 32-bit apps. Or did you not know that Leopard is a full-on 64-bit OS (and with no driver problems, unlike both XP and Vista x64)? In any case, it hardly matters. The number of people (let alone college students) who would make use of more than four gigs of RAM right now is tiny.
I've used SLI on a PC. It was interesting, but overall was a horrible experience. It felt bodged together from the start, and I still don't think they have a driver release out there that lets you use multiple displays when you have it enabled. Some games didn't work at all, and others worked very poorly. I don't think I had any luck with CAD programs.
Not that it's relevant. People doing production work on Macs aren't doing CAD. They're almost always involved in some sort of audio or video production. PCs are definitely the best platform for drawing out a building, and nobody doubted that. Get the right tool for the job. For CAD and gaming, it's a Windows PC. For A/V work and a non-***** user experience, it's a Mac. For cheapasses and open-source evangelism, it's *nix.
Most importantly - it's a ***** operating system. Who in their right mind gives a ***** what software their neighbors are using, so long as you don't get called in to do their tech support? - etandrib, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5You have boundaries or limits with anything… I can't build a supercomputer because I don't have the budget. I can't use a pentium II on a Dell because they don't have it in stock. A Dell or an HP can't use a PowerPC processor because it isn't supported. Basically there are always limits. That is good. That is life.
And I don't STILL buy into the "Macs cost more argument". If you look at the overall cost you are really saving money, time, and frustration by going with a Mac. I've saved about 40 hours of troubleshooting over the past year and a half since I convinced my mom to use a Mac. That is worth more money than she paid for her iMac. The only difference is Apple doesn't sell computers in the low end market. I'm glad, I don't want a POS. I want a good reliable computer that easily allows me to accomplish the tasks I want to do. That is what a Mac does and I've realized that a $400 computer won't do that. - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -1/+5I use my computer, running Windows VISTA (gasp!), ~12 hours a week, with the Apache web server, PHP + MySQL, Adobe Photoshop, Visual C++, and Firefox(usually open with around 10 tabs), AND it has given me less problems than when I use my parents' Mac. Maybe you should actually try out a Windows machine before you are so quick to judge.
- Golf11, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6I'm a recent convert to Mac, truth be told, I bought my first Mac, the black MacBook because it was such a beautifully designed machine and I had to have it; I truly had no intention of using it any more than I use my Sony PSP. I then started playing with it and a month later I bought the iMac. I still use and have Windows boxes. I can say as a recent convert, that the beauty of the design and in most cases "it works out of the box" and the sheer simplicity is what has me hooked. I also like that Mac users have been helpful on the forums for newbies like me and I love that you can by software for the Mac in multiple license that don't break the bank...the new OS comes with a license for 5 computers for 100 bucks, the word processing, spreadsheet and presentation software is equally well priced. In the end, what's "optional" on Windows computers is "standard" equipment on a Mac. What's not to love?
- Tenoq, on 12/13/2007, -3/+7Do we have to have an article like this every month? For Christ's sake. Apple users are happy with their iPods and Macs. Old ***** news and we all ***** know it already. We also know that a vast majority of technical Windows users _hate_ Macs. Also old ***** news.
Move along please, nothing to see here. - etandrib, on 12/13/2007, -0/+4I agree. I hated Macs in the 90s. They sucked and were crap. The best stuff about Macs today comes from NeXT. Which is basically Steve Jobs doing and vision.
- stevealford, on 12/13/2007, -1/+5Psychologically speaking, when you buy something that costs a lot of money, you have a desire to show it off. The main reason you see more Macs at the student union than Win laptops is because MOST Mac owners enjoy advertising that they are Mac owners. Win owners don't care if you know what computer they have, but that isn't so otherwise.
If you think I'm full of *****, just consider how many Mac decals you've ever seen on vehicles, Apple logos you've seen tattooed on people or shaved into their hair, or Macs you've seen in public. Given that you know there are about 9 times more Win machine owners than Mac owners, you'd think you'd see 9 times as many people with computer logos other than Apple displayed in public, but you don't... do you?
People with non-Mac laptops usually use them for what they need, then leave it at home when they go out to do something else. They only take it with them if they know they're going to need it, not because something MIGHT come up where they'll be able to use it. You rarely see anyone other than a Mac owner go out for a cup of coffee and take their laptop with them just to go hang out at the student union or Starbucks.
It's human nature to justify a large purchase (especifically a product that is MORE expensive than its competitors) by showing it off publicly to receive praise AND ridicule because it feeds your ego in several ways. Those who ridicule you are base retards who are jealous and can't afford it or too brainwashed/stupid/sheeple to see the genius of it, while those who praise you are brilliant and savvy. This is why people who buy expensive cars are always going "out cruising" for no reason. - marvinmatthew, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6I don't suppose 'operating system' would count as a difference?
- bengringo, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6Heres an idea why we love Mac's. We enjoy using them more then we enjoy PC's. Can't I use a computer simply because I prefer it and not be called a snob. I like the Desktop Environment and the form factor of their laptops (I'm using a macbook). I should point out I am a writer so maybe thats why I prefer it but still Its just a preference.
- wheresaldo, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4I play video games, I play movies, music, make home movies, communicate with friends and family, etc.
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3Very well-put
- Firehed, on 12/13/2007, -1/+4Ok, that kid was a moron. I paid $600, got quite pissed about it (as is to be expected for a 33% price drop less than ten weeks after a major product launch), wrote a rational but lengthy email, and got $100 back. Honestly, I still think it was rather douchey as it was clearly the plan from day one, but I can swallow an effective 16% price drop better than 33%.
- topgigmedia, on 12/13/2007, -4/+7If there was only one manufacturer that made Windows machines - you would see the same thing on the other side of the PC fence.
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