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- Wuss, on 11/18/2008, -13/+161Why is this news. Obviously Apple will not allow a full version of Flash because the vast majority of functionality provided by iphone apps will be easily replaced by flash based apps.
Imagine an iphone 3G hitting some flash iphone website with a library of 10,000 flash apps available on demand without having to install them on your iphone.
Despite fan boi delusions, Apple is not in the business of making the best products they can. They're in the business of making money like everyone else. - chickenloco, on 11/18/2008, -7/+125"iPhone features Safari — the most advanced web browser ever on a portable device."
Apple needs to drop this if they don't add flash to the iphone, and soon. - dmcbride6, on 11/18/2008, -14/+131I was speaking to a buddy of mine who works at MS as part of the windows mobile team. He brought up this same point...it sounds quite plausible however I have a feeling that if Apple does not allow flash on their own, they will be pressured into allowing it eventually.
Flash is already planned for the android (didnt they show flash running at some point during the development process?)
Windows Mobile on the other hand will have flash AND silverlight support in their next release (and if I remember right, an updated browser that doesnt blow as hard as the current).
As for me, I'll be keeping my iPhone 3G with or without flash support. I love every other part of it too much :) - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -13/+65Yes, Apple has a monopoly over Apple products. Also, Volkswagen has a monopoly on Volkswagens, and HBO has a monopoly on HBO shows.
You ***** idiots need to learn what a monopoly means. - indyGuy, on 11/18/2008, -10/+56I want flash -- too many great web applications (and sites) are flash-driven.
That said, I can't imagine actually USING any of those on my iPod Touch. My fat fingers could never play Desktop Tower Defense or use most flash interfaces :) - lilhelper, on 11/18/2008, -2/+39How is that inaccurate?
- billizm, on 11/18/2008, -12/+46This is why I like Android.
- pipdip, on 11/18/2008, -5/+36God forbid Apple doesn't have 100% control over their device... my god.... what would happen? iPhones would burst into flames!
- law1ess, on 11/18/2008, -12/+39They'll allow it if MrBabyMan ask for it...
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -3/+30Well that leaves only every other device as a possibility...
- streak, on 11/18/2008, -4/+26Technically, the standard terms of service for developers (and consumers) have nothing to do with whether Apple will allow Flash on the iPhone. The standard terms just mean Adobe will have to get permission through a different agreement if Flash is to ever appear on the iPhone. That said, I doubt Apple will sanction Flash on the current hardware.
- kingatrock, on 11/18/2008, -11/+31Wow apple isn't so far away from M$ on the evil spectrum that most people would lead you to believe.
- waluigi14, on 11/18/2008, -9/+28Have you even used the Mac version of Flash? It uses up 80% of the CPU just to play a hulu video! I don't want that crap on my iphone!
- bundwallah, on 11/18/2008, -3/+22I'll feel sorry for Adobe the moment they release Photoshop for Linux. :) This does suck though. So much of the web these days is flash. Why is Apple screwing with their customers by doing this? Oh..forgot..captive audience. :)
- BrettFromTibet, on 11/18/2008, -5/+24Wake up! Apple is as evil as it possibly gets. The are pros. M$ are just amateurs.
- SawButter, on 11/18/2008, -9/+27Don't waste your time reading this article.
No flash on iPhone means:
- Battery saving
- Ad free - oblique63, on 11/18/2008, -1/+18"Flash is already planned for the android (didnt they show flash running at some point during the development process?)"
yep...
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/11/17/finally-p ... - RogerStrong, on 11/18/2008, -2/+17The HTC Touch Pro is a PDA, not just a phone with lame PDA-like features.
As such, a pen interface is welcome. It allows you to have drop-down lists, tap-and-hold right-click menus and other things that don't work well in a finger-only UI.
Most apps for Windows Mobile Professional edition are designed with a pen in mind.
And unlike Apple, Microsoft doesn't demand any say in what you write for your phone/PDA. Nor any say in what development environment or language you use. Nor any say in how or even *if* you distribute it. - nrox653, on 11/18/2008, -6/+21Wonder how long until someone can make a jailbreak version.
- RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2008, -1/+16They need to drop that line if they can't release a version of mobile safari that doesn't crash every few page loads.
- treed, on 11/18/2008, -1/+14Would be pretty epic if Adobe released it through Installer.app or Cydia.
- ScaredOfTheMan, on 11/18/2008, -3/+16It will come.... it has to. Even Apple can't ignore it forever.
Once the other smart phones get up to snuff with the iphone, and they do come with flash, apple will have no choice but to allow it. Walled gardens can exit for so long....Apple is going for the cash grab while they can.
Once the competition and UI catch up, their hand will be forced. - RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2008, -0/+13"Is Apple going to police every app that can run on that platform?"
Well, yes. That's one of their main points with the app store. - tnoy, on 11/18/2008, -3/+15Flash on the iPhone means:
- Access to a metric *****-ton of flash-based content
- The ability to disable it, giving me the following benefits:
-- Battery saving
-- Ad Free. - CrimsonBlur, on 11/18/2008, -1/+13Sadly you are probably not far off on that one.
- knuckles, on 11/18/2008, -1/+13Don't like it. Don't buy one. Easy.
- oo7evan, on 11/18/2008, -2/+14If I could play Desktop Tower Defense 24 hours a day, no matter where I'm at, I'm not sure I'd fit in sleeping or eating.
- thedrue, on 11/18/2008, -6/+18Most flash is a pain in the ass on a desktop computer... imagine all that flashing crap flashing all over the internet on an iphone. Not to mention how much it would slow down the loading of pages. I do agree it would be nice to support flash for videos and things there really is no other use for it on a machine like the iphone. Apple simply wants to keep the quality of their device high.
- chickenloco, on 11/18/2008, -8/+20I'm sick of Apples excuses about why the iPhone doesn't have flash (and other features that come standard on a free-with-contract Nokia).
Come on Apple, this ***** is getting old. It is time to step up. - Viniator3, on 11/18/2008, -2/+13One word: Battery.
That's all it boils down to. Unless they find a battery friendly way to run it fully on the iPhone, it isn't going to happen. Can't have customers calling in to AppleCare freaking out because their battery is shot after only a few hours of browsing the nü Flash-laden interweb. - skyshock1, on 11/18/2008, -1/+11Really? Flash on a phone? Wow, welcome to 2006. Nokia phones w/ SymbianOS have done flash for years.
- jasmus, on 11/18/2008, -0/+10Companies who's only business is developing mobile phones didn't come up with anything close to the iPhone in all of their years in the industry. It may be a while before we see real competition for the iPhone. Android is probably as close as we'll see anytime soon, but without standardized hardware, and telcos ability to fart around with the OS before you get it, I fear it may not work as everyone thinks it should.
- jsmithers, on 11/18/2008, -2/+12What you say is great and all, but I think it's good to be aware that by far the most popular smartphone platform in the world (Nokia S60) has had full Flash support in it's browser (also based on WebKit like iPhone and Android) for quite some time. We're talking many tens of millions of shipped units here by the way, S60 has 40% to 50% of the the smartphone market.
So, just to be clear and give a bit of perspective on this situation, most people in the world who have smartphones don't even think about the issue of Flash support, it's there, in full, in the webpages on their phones, and has been for some time. And on cheap, powerful phones too.
iPhone and Windows Mobile are really minority players in both the smartphone, and global phone market. It's just because the US is skewed in their favour and Nokia do a crap job of marketing in the US, that you see things differently. - waluigi14, on 11/18/2008, -2/+12Battery life and bugs. Plus, Apple supports Javascript and H.264
- chickenloco, on 11/18/2008, -0/+9Yes, that too. It is unusable at times.
- spyker3292, on 11/18/2008, -2/+11So a boycott will fix all? Suuuurrrrreeee.....
- Ganpachi, on 11/18/2008, -2/+11what a dumb comment. You answered the question with your own casual dismissal of things you find unimportant.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -1/+10Thank you random internet retard, but to have any chance of us visiting your website, you better at least post the address.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+8...Except for everything that can run Opera Mobile 9.
- RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9I think it has to do with limitations of the platform as well. The more I use backgrounder to let apps run alongside each other, the more I'm realizing how little free processing power and memory the iphone really has.
- rimantas, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9Because Apple will get blaimed for the Adobe's faults
- moofer, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9Just like they would never release iTunes for Windows, or never switch to Intel processors, or never get more than 3% marketshare. I hate when people say "never" - that's an awfully long time.
- thedrue, on 11/18/2008, -4/+12it would be a pain in the ass to have to load everything you wanted to do in safari browser... not very elegant at all.
- dullnation, on 11/18/2008, -2/+9"An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise," reads clause 3.3.2 of the iPhone SDK agreement, which was recently published on WikiLeaks. "No interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s)."
This refers to apps submitted to the app store. If the iPhone ever does gain flash support, it'd be through a firmware update and Apple would directly work with Adobe on it, there'd be no other way to get the functionality of flash into safari which is why I call this article a POS. - Subriot, on 11/18/2008, -7/+14Adobe has a special version of Flash called Flash Lite optimized just for mobile devices.
- Myonosken, on 11/18/2008, -2/+8By your example, Apple has bundled its own apps however it has closed off many others by needing to approve apps itself. Microsoft bundled IE (which, by the way, was not determined to be illegal immediately) but at least let anyone put another browser on.
Stop making excuses for Apple- they have got away with screwing us over for long enough. - Ericdigital, on 11/18/2008, -1/+7No, but it isn't about the games. It's being able to use services like hulu, or just seeing media rich sites in all their glory.
- Rikkochet, on 11/18/2008, -1/+7Don't lie. It's about youporn.
- dullnation, on 11/18/2008, -0/+6Flash ad free... there are still many sites with gif/static jpg banners.
- rolf, on 11/18/2008, -1/+7Exactly.
The whole article sounds like a copout. As if Adobe would feel it's bound by the standard ToS and couldn't negotiate with Apple directly.
That said, the nullriver app that was nixed sounds like it would have made Apple violate it's own contract with ATT. I think, looking years out, Apple would be better served to just sell the phone with no carrier attached. I'd be happy to pay $500 for the latest version with no contract. Let each individual carrier subsidize it with contracts but no more ATT monopoly on it. -
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