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- ricksite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Displaying black on white doesn't save battery life. If anything, it decreases battery life. The default state of an LCD when it is on is white.
- titanass, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21For an external temperature it is pretty high, lap burnin sperm count destroyer.
- rctech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20109F is the temperature outside the computer casing. I wonder how much hotter the processor/hard disk is running?
- muleking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15i'm a long time windows user but picked one of these up as a portable. I think the biggest problem with this mac is that there are just these obsessive mac zealots who over analyze everything. It runs quiet, wifi and every other function works as it should. It gets warm like any other laptop, i guess you could even say it runs a little hot, but i've been runnig this thing plugged in for hours and its been doing just great and doesnt get burning hot.
there you have it, an opinion from an owner who isn't a mac zealot. Just because the pro ones had some hokey issues doesnt mean every needs to pile on this product, get over it people. - ditangquan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Cut the speed in half? Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. On battery the MB 1.83ghz
runs at 1.5ghz.
my battery life is about 3.5 with wireless and BT on. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I'm getting around 110-119 on my iBook G4..so its nothing new? And thermal grease is already on there, just incorrectly placed and correcting it would only lower temperature by around 2 degrees....
- blueigloo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21109F isnt bad at all, hell its only 42C (which is what we typically measure computer temperature by..).
- zacharychaos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@illt
wait, 90C? impossible... that could nearly boil water, and easily scald whatever you put it on (which is probably something that doesn't like heat) - ggriffit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's not cut by half. A new app on MacUpdate.com, called CoreDuoTemp 0.8, measures your cpu temp and speed for the Intel chips. I have the 1.83 MacBook Pro and on battery it was running at 1500mhz.
I can't say this is the same for the MacBook, but I highly doubt they cut a 1800mhz or even 2000mh machine down to 900mhz...CoreDuoTemp reports my Max at 1830 and my min at 1000 with my current 1500mhz. - sillypickle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Actually, not that unscientific. I work at a lab, and infrared thermometers are used for temperature surveys all the time, on much larger amounts of material than in the MacBook. Scientific and hyper-accurate are not the same thing. As long as you have a required range of reducibility, just about any test could potentially be called scientific.
- Diseage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10My desktop's proc is running 120F+ and the ambient temp is near 100. Seeing as how laptops are definetly a much tigher integration I don't find that bad at all.
- rockintom99, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12xxBondsxx: Yeah you can. You use an AMD proc :)
- mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7There is a misinformation going around about how MacBook and MacBook Pro have incorrect amount of thermal compound applied during assembly and that's causing the reported heat issue. Some have reported that cleaning and reapplying the thermal compound properly yields dramatic decrease in temperature. It turns out this is false. The person that was first to do this made a mistake when reassembling his MacBook Pro and didn't connect the thermal sensor properly and the computer went into the "Oh no.. Something is very wrong with the thermal sensor so I should turn the fan on full blast just in case" mode. Which means the fan was running at full rpm at all time and that caused the drop in temperature. Obviously this would be problematic for battery life. When the person realized what was going on and reconnected the thermal sensor correctly and the fan went back to it's normal operating mode and temperature rose back up to the "normal" level. The temperature did decrease after the reapplication of thermal compound but by only by couple low single digit degrees. This was probably due to the use of arctic silver which is probably better thermal compound than one used in the factory. In summary, MacBook and MacBook Pros don't suffer from a manufacturer's defect. They are running bit hot but still within the "normal" operating temperature as it was designed to be. Also to note, Apple did release a firmware update recently which supposedly helped this problem somewhat.
- XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It really isnt that bad. Sure, it wouldnt be too comfortable, but my AMD 64 runs at 105 degrees w/ watercooling. 120 isnt bad at all for a notebook under full load...
People just complain too much about the macbooks... - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The processor could possibly get up to 90C without the outside of the case getting that hot. Of course, it would likely start to melt at that temperature.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13yeah. 10 degrees above body temperature is helluva unacceptable
and face it, how many people use a 'laptop' on their lap. i for one nearly always use a desk/end table/whatever - SpacePirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7At least, yes. Depending on what you're doing. I get nearly three on a MacBook Pro watching video from the hard drive.
- TheAce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Why can't you American people come over to the good side and learn to use Celsius instead of Fahrenheit?
- Yoshi39, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"I reedited the video so their a new link. sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfj9WuKZF-I " - Sacky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This video wouldve been good if it also showed a program that monitored the internal temperatures of the macbook, but i can see nothing wrong with those temperatures, id still get this laptop if i had the money
- mc1123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ever think that that specific corner is where the processor is located? I mean, the other locations on the macbook were'nt nearly as hot.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Your mom can get up to 400ºF!
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8If it's not going to give you a 3rd degree burn then I say it's usable! But I'm also the guy that sleeps on poison oak.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9This is pure FUD. Every laptop that I have had in the past (all non-Apple), has run that hot, if not hotter. My current Toshiba Satellite L25 easily trounces that, to the point where every now and then it just freezes. That has only happened once or twice in all the time I've had it, but it is still a glaring indication of the heat that's out of control.
My old HP did the same. This video clip proves nothing to me other than that the MacBook runs at temperatures that other notebooks do. - mr.gates, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I hate to reply to something I already did, again so quickly, but you actually got me interested in a sony laptop so I did some research and.
Sony VAIO SZ150P/C
13.3" TFT
1.83GHz Core Duo
512MB DDR2
80GB
DVD±RW DL
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400
Best Price 2069$ MSRP ???
MacBook
13.3"
2GHZ Core Duo
512MB DDR2
DVD±RW DL
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Intel 950
Price: 1500
Although Sony said the laptop had a 7hr lifespan, but I don't belive this for a second, after seeing the Wattage ratings sony puts on there speakers, So yeah winner is Apple. Honestly I like toshiba though. PC's can be as sexy as apple's. - Sacky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm not a mac fanboy by any means, in fact the only mac ive ever owned was given to me, ive run windows all my life, but your arguments have very obvious flaws
1. Were not talking about room temperature were talking about laptop temperature, just like 50 degrees wouldnt be hot for an oven, but it would for room temp
2. Indeed not all laptops run hot, however this isnt that bad for a laptop
3. Laptops are really protable computers, so people like to have the same computer to take to work and use at home, even so its not like this would provide that much of an inconvienience to a person using it on there lap, because in that test they were on a flat surface, a lap would have much more airflow and would be sitting on clothing which would absorb the heat quicker, even so i recognise it would only make a 2-5 degree celcius difference - themightychris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, since when was the CPU temperature the issue? People are complaining about how hot the case gets, on the locations he measured.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nice try at trolling there.
I've never had an Apple laptop, yet I can tell you that those temperatures really are not that hot. Nothing compared to my Toshiba. The thing literally pumps out heat. I can also say, from personal experience, that all the laptops I have used have in fact run comparably hot, if not hotter. As for the jab at those who buy Apple hardware, it seems to me you just want to incite flames.
I'll give you the last one, though. - kaidovak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5guess what, power stepping is determined by the OS on a mac, not the BIOS (as it is handled in most PC setups) you just click the battery icon in the upper right corner and tell it if you want the battery to last longer of if you want the machine to run quicker. Instead of throttling, a lot of intel chips have a safety cutoff at which they simply turn off. On a prescott core it's around 70 C, just under the chip's thermal limit.
- lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Because 100+ degrees sound more manly than 30-40 degrees =)
Though that arguement falls apart when you go miles vs kilometers per hour. Ohh well. I'll stick to my 95mph commutes. =) - kaidovak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4because old people are stubborn and lazy, and the plans to go to metric failed decades ago because of this
- D-Man, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Running a Dell Inspiron 6000, plugged into AC power, running firefox, wmp11, ftp, text editor, and IRC...
CPU: 122 F, HDD: 108 F, RAM: 118 F, GFX: 117 F, ROOM: 79 F
I'm running the fan in my room at the moment, and this is normal temperature. The vents aren't blocked at the moment, either. - t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not unless you set it to specifically, and it's NOT that way by default.
- quasarkitten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I reedited the video so their a new link. sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfj9WuKZF-I - OriginalGamer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hey COlson87, we have something in common except I'm actually sick of Sony charging literally almost twice as much (versus Apple who charges maybe $200 more at the more for quality, stylish hardware and OS X) then other PC hardware vendors. Sony offers nothing more then any other vendor except the illusion of the quality behind the Sony brand name. Oh, and last time I checked, Sony has around 2-3% of the PC market share.
They should stick to development of the Playstation 3 since it's such a great value... - j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You also need to remember this isn't the CPU he's guaging this is the CASE. The case most absolutely should not be over 100F.
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8With wireless and bt off AND if you run it in inverted colors (best shortcut ever: CTRL OPTION APPLE 8 ) I've gotten nearly 6 hours. I tend to browse the web with the colors inverted, its just easier on my eyes to stare at a black background and white text rather than white bg & black text.
Displaying black instead of white saves lots of battery life. - Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I don't own a Mac (unfortunately) nor know about the latest updates from Mac that has been going on, however I've seen literally hundreds of digg submitions about the heat on the new laptop, could anyone fill me in? From what I can understand, the laptop is sure to overheat?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3ssanders - I think you should re-watch the video. All the readings on the thermometer are the same as what the displayed readings are.
Perhaps you should get some new glasses. - jotajota3, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4if you new computer processors, you would know that's a normal even somewhat cool temperature for a processor to be running at! My Althlon 64 (amd cpus are known for being cooler than other processors) runs anywhere from 36-42 Celsius( 97-108 F) and that's on a desktop which have better cooling than laptops. P4's on the other hand can run anywhere from 40-55 Celsius!! Seriously, the Macbook is a great machine don't let this heresay nonsense hold you back!
- Rageous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Man, someone needs to parse out all these whack unrelated replies to the actual topic.
I've been working on a brand new black MacBook myself for the last week, and heat is pretty much parallel to my old 1 ghz iBook G4. It gets lukewarm and somewhat noticeable when seated directly on your lap, but definitely not hot or anything to holler about. I've been extremely satisfied with the heat dissipation on this, and have yet to notice a lack of performance or fan irregularity. - 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm kind of confused by this as well. I'm getting the impression that too few people complaining about this have ever used a fast laptop before (PC or Mac). They ALL get damned toasty. My Dell laptop gets extremely hot when I've been working the thing for an hour or more. So hot in fact that at first I thought it was broken. But the Dell people assured me that it was designed to run as hot as it does.
- suMMx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5whatever, i love my macbook. Nothing is better than a device that lets me browse digg and cook eggs on the touchpad at the same time
- nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That's INSIDE a case! Even with my desktop overclocked significantly with the CPU reporting temperatures over 60C the surface area of my case directly where my CPU was on the motherboard was still nowhere near this hot.
- hmniq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think he means that measuring the temperature of the Macbook case is an accurate indication of the temperature of the CPU at all. The easiest way to look at it is this: the problem with the Macbook Pros and Macbooks is the huge globs of thermal paste, which in large quantities actually *prevents* heat from transferring into the heatpipe. Thus, the heat has a hard time escaping (i.e. it can't get to the outside world). Measuring the temp of the case is measuring the amount of heat that *happens* to get to the case at a certain point. For all he/you/we know, the CPU could be melting in there.
- glc17, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Let me preface this by saying I am a pc user.
The laptop is not running very hot, at least based on these (admittedly very poorly obtained) results. I have an Antec P180 case, known for being very cool, with five seperate fans running in addition to heatsinks. My power supply idles around 36 C (97 F) and my graphics cards around 51 C (122 F). This is considered good, by the way, for a high-end graphics card on stock cooling. When in operation, they can get up to 70 C or higher, while the processor can creep towards 50 C under 100% load. The readings obtained are supposedly while the mac has been running under some sort of load, so I would venture to say the temperature of the laptop isn't so bad.
I would be much more interested if he had ran a program like Everest Home Edition and actually taken real temperature readings from the on-die sensors. That would have prevented this debate in the first place. - SilentPurity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Finally I can say this: My HP is hotter then your Mac!
- Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's amazing how upset people get because they think a Laptop should go on their lap.
Here's a clue: All Apple portable computers are NOT LAPTOPS! They haven't been called laptops in a very long time (actually, I can't remember if they ever were). When I used to work for Apple they had to call them portable computers or notebooks. Their computers are not meant to go on your lap which is why they don't call them laptops. - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Criminy! What a non-story. Talk about radiating more heat than light!
In the midst of all this, I have heard no reports of MacBooks dying en masse because of the supposed excess heat they produce. Until you have MacBooks burning themselves out from the heat, this is a non-freakin'-story. To me, this sounds like a lot of FUD. -
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