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- Mr.Scientist, on 10/12/2007, -25/+194> If you stick to standards, there are NO extra development costs whatsoever.
Spoken like someone who hasn't written a website of notable complexity. When it comes to standards, all browsers suck. They suck in different ways and some suck much more than others, but they all suck. "Stick to standards" is the kind of purity that only theory and unexperienced developers know. You don't rely on standards if you want the website to work with real browsers: Web design is 10% standards and 90% knowing where standards have no equivalence in the real world. It's sad, but there's no use denying it. - scottcropper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+66Sorry, if you login to Flickr you can actually see the full size shot. Here is a link :
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/394117549_06f4bf4df4_o.png
I didn't think linking to the original size would work in the article itself and would force you to login to see it which is why I just linked to the regular flickr page. - theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -124/+184"Perhaps it has to do with development costs to support the browsers"
Sorry to be harsh, but you are ignorant. If you stick to standards, there are NO extra development costs whatsoever. - jeffzeiders, on 10/12/2007, -3/+52I don't think Safari users would be willing to pay more if they knew they were paying more.
- Anand999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+47Have you tried clearing your cookies in both browsers and going back?
There are tons of ways to get discounts at TurboTax. You might have at one point clicked through on one of these discount links and gotten a cookie in one of your browsers marking you as eligible for a specific discount. The other browser doesn't have this cookie so the discount doesn't show up. - matgorb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45I call *****, I can design complex layout website with 95% standard, and only 5% tweaking for cross-browser consistency (mostly targeted to IE, but I'm not bitter that's just life).
I can understand that people from the table-era have difficulties to understand that it is feasible, but it is relatively easily achievable, once you learn or update the necessary knowledge of the trade.
People who can't have mostly one problem : they have no proper method. - posure, on 10/12/2007, -38/+71I kind of like this idea...Apple users do have a tendency to over-pay for things (such as myself, with this overrated MacBook Pro I'm currently using).
- MF03, on 10/12/2007, -14/+45That's called price discrimination; it's a legal method, and is profit maxizing for the firm. Safari users are willing to pay more money to pay their taxes.
Why? you might ask, are safari users willing to pay more? - erikhensarling, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Parallels Coherence Goodness
- The_Larch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Prices show up the same for me in either browser.
weird. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Funny that... because when I go to the same site I get this:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/949/fakexw1.png
@Anand999
Can't be that because the firefox prices are the default ones.
Edit: Not the same page but you can still see the prices of the products. - mbeast, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Why is there a Windows XP start menu on your Mac?
- g2g079, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Also I've noticed if you go to turbotax.com its 14.95 for a federal efile; however, if you search for free e-file at google, one of the advertisers is turbotax.com. It redirects you to the same site except this time free.
- evilgold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14At least mac people can use it. I had to use firefox in wine in order for it to work.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4492/screenshot1wa0.png - Splizxer, on 10/12/2007, -15/+27Maybe they did it because Mac users are used to paying more?
- CryoNine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It's most likely just random deals at random loads. Look at the URLs...
$14.95 Federal (First visit, FireFox)
http://turbotaxweb.turbotaxonline.intuit.com/?productid=2&customerSource=3468337910
Same exact service as above, except free.
http://turbotaxweb.turbotaxonline.intuit.com/?productid=512&customerSource=3468337910
Note the productid variable. No prior visits to the site. - lashner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I used to work for Turbo's competition. I'm sure they're doing something similar to what we did.
They're trying to figure out what price points will get the highest conversion ratio. Nothing more. We called it A/B testing. You have a control and then a number of variations of the control. Each version gets a percentage of the traffic. Numbers are crunched and the "winner" is chosen.
Has nothing to do with browser/OS and everything to do with them trying to make the most money. - ringo380, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Just tested it in IE vs Firefox, and ended up with a similar price difference, except that I was offered a "Free" version in Firefox, which wasn't available in the IE version.
And I doubt it has to do with cookies. I just typed turbotax.com into both windows and hit enter. First time I've ever been there or visited anything even remotely related to turbotax. - MrMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Hey everyone:
Lets rip on Apple because TurboTax's site is really buggy and giving random prices to different browsers! - Dissipate, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17Perhaps because they found out that the demographics of people using Safari have a different demand curve than those using Firefox or IE.
- camkerr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8prices for me are more expensive in firefox than safari, wtf http://imagearts.ryerson.ca/ckerr/Picture%202.png
- essjay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is nothing new. Companies like Crucial have been called out for doing this before. Remember, the browser and OS you're using says an awfull lot about you and marketing types will pigeon hole you based on it.
- tjasond, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10johnnyx -
If you have any accounts with State Farm and you register with their site: http://www.statefarm.com , you can use the online version of Turbo Tax for free. They did this last year as well, hopefully they'll continue to offer it. I did my taxes on it yesterday and it was actually very easy to use. - johnpaul191, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9yeah, that's a good precedent to set.
- rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15because he is using the new Mac OSXP!
- Resolver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8except the browsers in question are firefox and safari, not internet explorer and safari.
- m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7He wasn't running Parallels to quote the prices; it happened to be running in the background when he took the screenshot. Parallels has nothing to do with whether this screenshot is fake. Not only that, but it doesn't matter if it's fake. If we see a $34.95 price for the second one, we open another browser. If we don't, we buy it.
Also realize that the software in question is spelled "Parallels" (see the parallel Ls in the middle?). Clearly, you're the moron here. - jeffzeiders, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I just checked and I received the opposite results. Firefox was more expensive than Safari - looks like something is buggy with TurboTax's site.
Screenshot:
http://www.jeffzeiders.com/turbotax.png - MrFoof82, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I ran into this a few weeks ago. I had a "free" option under IE, but $15 under Safari, and a $25 option under Firefox.
I started filing under IE, and turned off the Windows box. Went back to the Mac and continued using Firefox, and filing federal was still free (state filing still cost money, but it did under all the plans). You can't "downgrade" your plan once you start, so if you're already on a more expensive route, you'll need to create a new ID (and will have no history from other IDs from previous years).
The other kick in the teeth is you can't print anything properly unless Acrobat Reader is installed. Nope, Preview doesn't count. So in some cases I was able to use Preview, and in others where I couldn't, I had to switch to Windows because I wasn't going to bog down my G4 Mini with Acrobat Reader. Royal PITA. - Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Because he is running Parallels.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This might simply be Turbo Tax testing out new prices. This happens all the time. Whenever Netflix announced that they were offering video streaming, I noticed that in firefox it told me the starting price for Netflix was $5.99, in IE it was $4.99. It was the other way around on another computer. I imagine they test to see what percent buy at what prices and then do calculations to find the highest yield.
I somehow doubt that this is a purely Safari thing, although it'd be interesting seeing that Safari users are probably more willing to pay premiums. - Nothlit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Free e-filing is generally limited to people who make less than a certain amount per year ($28,500 for 2006), or qualify for the earned income credit, or were active duty military. See http://turbotax.intuit.com/taxfreedom/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5First of all, I love how they are charging $15 to fill out the 1040EZ form.
If people can't figure out how to fill out the 1040EZ form by themselves, then they don't make enough money to pay that $15. When I still qualified for the 1040EZ, I would ave my taxes done the day after all my forms arrived and had my tax refund by mid-February. - kjizzle, on 10/12/2007, -52/+55@theblooms
Wow...you're a dumb ass. Try sticking to the standards when designing a site and then comparing a site in IE to one in FF. The next time you open your mouth to take a *****, you should know what you're talking about. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Your comment proves that Firefox users are not smarter.
- nc0onc0o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What do you expect from TurboTax? They are the same jerks who put spyware in there software a couple of years ago. I won't have anything to do with again.
- PalmerEldritch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There is a stupid tax... it's called the lottery which is basically a tax on people who are bad at math.
- Ghengis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Not on my windows system... IE and FFox showed the same prices.
- m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3either that, or they don't deserve that $15 they made.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There's even a variable called splitABTestPriorityCode. Can't seem to manipulate it to get the different prices. But if anybody cared to get the cheapest prices: just keep clearing your cookies and trying again, seems to be completely random and not based on useragent. I've been able to get 3-4 different combinations of prices in the same browser.
(And for the love of god people, this isn't a "glitch" nor does it have anything to do with apple users) - johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5oops, yeah, i meant LESS frugal. ahem...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9MORE frugal? How would someone assume that people are MORE frugal if they are willing to spend more money for less of a product? And um, Apple users are not more wealthy. That is a huge myth.
- scottcropper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2After doing some searching I figured out It was buried...not sure why though.
- nemrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When I did it in Firefox they promised me a free blowjob from a crackwhore. In IE they just promised to let me watch old reruns of the Golden Girls. Now that's screwed up!
- gallyjh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I never had this problem when I used it. In fact I also used these coupons:
http://www.dealtaker.com/turbotaxcoupon.html - Tippis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ mtekk
"You guys need to look at the "Online Products" page, not the normal turbotax page. The page you want is http://turbotax.intuit.com/tax_products/online_products.jhtml For the "Online Products" page IE 6 and Firefox 2.0 show the same prices, no difference at all. And I have never been to intuit's site on my computer before so cookies were not an issue."
I saw a difference between Opera 9 and FF2 on Linux -- FF2 was offered the "Basic" setup for free -- but only on the first visit. Subsequent visits gave FF2 the same pricing as in Opera, even with cookies cleared. It could very well be something on *their* side, tied to IP or referer logging, or some such. - DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is nothing.
For a period ending some time around Feb 15th if you entered any ISO purchases it would round the exercise price and purchase price to the nearest dollar, potentially making the AMT calculation wrong. Checked my federal return before filing, and sure enough - rounded to the nearest dollar *on the actual return*! I had to put in three tech support tickets to get that fixed, and when they finally did fix it they didn't even bother to notify me, AND even after it was fixed I had to rerun the ISO section before it actually corrected my return - they didn't fix returns for people who had already been through that section automatically.
I can't imaging how many people submitted erroneous returns to the IRS because of this bug, which they first tried to tell me was a "feature" to make their product "easier to use". - DrunkMonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Some more codes here:
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/turbotax.com - andocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just tried with IE7 and FF on XP and there was indeed different prices, Deluxe is $34.95 in IE and $29.95 in FF. Both pages were loaded from the top result in a google search, so referrer was the the same.
It does indeed look like they are quoting less based on browser, which is pretty crazy if true. I imagine someone might be getting a "WTF" call from Microsoft. - coldfusion1970, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think hes doing everyone a service by pointing this out.
If i needed this service i would now be aware that i cant use Safari or IE. -
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