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- treoguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Read the comments of the blogger's posting. He misunderstood what Mossberg was saying.
The iPhone will NOT sync calendar and address book info with Exchange servers.
It WILL download your Exchange email--IF the network administrators turn on IMAP, which will be a tough sell in most corporations. - TechCF, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Well, GPRS/EDGE is fast enough for my contact/email/calendar needs
- jediorange, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Entourage is a Microsoft product, not an Apple product.
- streak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Two foreseen benefits: an EDGE chipset that fits in a conveniently small enclosure and that doesn't kill battery life. One unforeseen benefit: no court ruling denying importation to the U.S.A. of your new cell phone because it uses the 3G chipset of a purported patent infringer.
- skinfitz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6...that 'setting' is enabling IMAP or POP3 on the Exchange server.
- thatsiebguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"enabling an option on the server"
a.k.a. IMAP... bleh... - ModX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Unless you live in an urban environment, Wi-Fi is only a passable excuse.
- stevecclifford, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Who cares? People who are in business and use Exchange which is around 80% worldwide, including myself.
- hellotyler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah, I have. On this site.
- BossX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Still won't replace BlackBerries... key: Blackberry Enterprise Server. iPhone has no way for IT Admins to administer the device, therefor it's still not ideal for real business use. You think major companies want people walking around with iPhones, lose them, and have anyone read their company email? BES allows Admins to secure BlackBerries (via security locking) and override user settings.
- Balanced, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It's email. 128kbps should be more than adequate, especially if it asks before downloading big messages like Mail.app does.
- zunigbab, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Because it is Mary Jo Foley who "broke" the news, I'm taking this one with a BOULDER-sized chunk of salt.
- kitchung, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3power consumption. current 3G chips use more juice than what apple got in the iPhone.
- fffizzz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Well, now I would have a reason ti get an iPhone.. unfrotunatly we use exchange and this was the one thing really holding me back beside the horrid price tag.
- slaguru, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You can always use a POP3 connection from your exchange box if your desparate for email. The BIG question is how will iPhone deal with security certification. Just about all exchange systems that go to the outside world use certification or self certify. Need to see this working to believe it. I hope its true as this was the deal breaker on my old SE p910i (the best smartphone for years), it could not get certificates right!
- EvilM0nkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Most Exchange admins who have a clue what they are doing are not going to have IMAP and POP3 enabled because they are not as secure or functional as MAPI/HTTPS. Out of the box, IMAP and POP3 are disabled by default in Exchange 2003.
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The first time Bob or Mary CEO calls the IT dept and says "Hey, why the hell can't I access my email through my shiny new iPhone", that'll be one company that's ready for the iPhone. That's usually how it happened at my old workplace - the higher mucka-mucks didn't care about IT policy - they wanted their stuff to work, and that was the end of it.
- zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If you don't live in an urban environment, you're not getting 3G anyway.
- takamalak, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3True, but if that's just regular syncing, what real Exchange support needs is push calendar and to a lesser extent, corporate directory. When a colleage makes a change to a meeting (like start time) it should change on my iPhone fairly quickly.
- krolls, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2logged in just to digg you down
- drakino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"not going to have IMAP and POP3 enabled because they are not as secure or functional as MAPI/HTTPS"
Like to show proof of this? I've ran a personal IMAP server with TLS for a few years. How is this any less secure then MAPI or SSL on HTTP?
Functional, mostly depends on the client and server. IMAP supports push and thats usually the biggest complaint I hear.
Just because it is disabled out of the box doesn't mean it is bad. It's just that Microsoft has been bitten too many times by turning everything on, and exposing that many more services to possible exploits out there. Starting with everything off and then turning on what is needed is pretty standard across the Unix world, and now finally Windows. - gweedo767, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Not POP3, it is IMAP for Exchange mail. But that isn't the big question. The big one is if calendar/task/contact sharing will work in any way shape or form.
- ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My phones purchased after 2001 has all IMAP support. If they didn't support it, it is easy to buy a $10 shareware IMAP client written in Java and run it with anti spam bonus.
Afraid to ask... Is there any kind of spam filtering? - scottcropper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Exchange sucks ass so why does it matter? Just forward your email to Gmail or Yahoo.
- mk2ja, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I see where you're coming from, and I understand the difference you are pointing out.
However, my only point was that the iPhone was announced to be compatible with Exchange from the very beginning. Whether or not it was going to have full sync capability or just IMAP email support was not my point. So perhaps my "this is retarded" statement went too far (because I didn't realize the difference you have pointed out to me), but I think my main point is valid - the iPhone has always been compatible with Exhange. (See here: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/01/09iphone.html and search for Exchange.) - sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If it uses ActiveSync, it will sync them all together just like when you drop your pocket PC into it's cradle... Hopefully it'll be more efficient than that, I dont plan on getting one anyway though
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But... but... it doesn't have a removable battery!
- TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"Requires Social Security Number to activate - forget that!" -- Are you serious? I *dare* you to show me a cell provider who doesn't do a credit check on you when you open a new account. Do you have a cellphone on a monthly plan right now? Guess what, you gave your SSN to activate it.
And as far as the games, it was released in another article that Apple is in talks with Nintendo to produce high-end games for the device. Until then, there's some pretty impressive javascript-based games out. Check out http://www.modmyiphone.com/apps for a list. - aschwartz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That attitude works for people in their mothers basements, not for corporate enviornments. My CEO wants one, and I had to tell him that he can have it, but not have work email on it, there is no way I am opening imap for exchange.
- slaguru, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hey thats true, it is IMAP not pop3.
I would guess that if the device does not use LDAP shared stuff will be tough. - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If this story proves to be wrong and you buy iPhone just because Exchange support, you should sue that Blogger for your losses and make sure ZDNet take care of her.
This would be stock manipulation even. Having something titled "Blog" shouldn't make people immune from basic media ethics and respect to brands such as Ziff Davis. - TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You can have multiple E-mail account set up on the iPhone, but they don't push. Yahoo mail is the only one with Push technology.
- TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1At the time of this writing, 469 people. Surprise, you're not the only person on the planet.
- ut2k4king, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Buried on account of the fact that it's old news. Jobs announced Exchange compatibility at Macworld.
- cronin1024, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Also, the coverage area for 2G is far greater than the coverage area for 3G. Perhaps Apple wanted to make the product available on a wider scale.
- ExSlashdotter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Just catching IMAP email isn't the same thing as ActiveSync. ActiveSync is like your phone being your email client 24/7. Add a contact to your phone, its in your webmail/Outlook/Entourage within seconds. Or vice versa. Or with your calendar, etc...
- jediorange, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Obviously you don't pay much attention. Mail and Address book both support exchange server. Granted, Mail is through IMAP + OWA, but it is still supported.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Hmmm... In my Hybrid Camry the voice dialing is built into the hands free system on the car. So not really a deal breaker, because that is the only time I attempt to use voice dialing.
On the other hand, I don't use the voice dialing, with one hand I am able to open my phone and start pressing the down arrow until I see my target then press dial. I wont be doing that on the iphone it looks like a two hand device.
As for games... Current game paradigms all assume some sort of d-pad. Given the pressure required to make the iphone touch screen work, and the lack of feedback, there are still significant technical hurtles to cross before they can run games on it.
Finally... people who have never actually used a cell phone seem to like what they see on the iPhone, while seasoned cell phone users are gonna hate this device.
Also... I don't know what companies the posters in this thread work in, but in all the companies that I work for the e-mail on the phone thing is a convenience issue, it is not really needed. The handhelds being used by the sales-force automation stuff... Well lets just say apple is still a decade away from touching that market.
This is a consumer phone for the consumer phone market. Until people have actually used it, it is a toy phone. No one (that will keep their career intact anyhow) is considering this for business use at this time. - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It is Microsoft or Device manufacturer idiots job to get FREE Xcode, click on "iSync SDK" and code a damn wince.isyncplugin . Cost: A single Cocoa/Carbon coder with sync expertise.
You are barking at wrong tree there. - mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2It's all part of Microsoft's plan, anybody who has used DirectPush with ActiveSync/Exchange on a Windows Mobile device knows how much of a battery drainer it is...Apple won't know what hit them. muhuhahahahah >:P
- skinfitz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Um, why would iPhone support OMA? IMAP is a standard.
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually, if it works like OS X's Mail program, you can input the HTTPS address of the Outlook web mail page - it can send/receive messages that way. Since they borked Entourage so it doesn't natively support Exchange (even though Outlook 2001 did under OS 9), that's how I managed.
- ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Other 20% are running Lotus :)
- flycatcher, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Wifi is dead when you stack it up against 3G. Too late to the party.
- migitalwarfare, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1so you're fine with using microsoft exchange, but you don't want to give in to the "huge corporations"? it doesn't get much bigger than microsoft, bub.
- liuping, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1True. This is a key feature of BES. I wish Echange would support that natively. It would make not just the iPhone, but also Windows Mobil based phones easier for IT to accept.
- liuping, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1why is voice dialing "a must for business phone"? I've used cell phones for business for years and never used voice dialing.
beside iPhone is not aimed at business users... - liuping, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Blackberries only have EDGE. It does not seem to keep people from using them for email (even though the email client sucks)
- zdiggler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Cool.. You buy iphone and support $$$ to MS at same time. Apple Can't survive w/o MS.
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