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- greenlight2001, on 05/30/2008, -8/+51penis... Steven Penis Jobs
- freshcuts, on 05/30/2008, -24/+58i like the jewish browser... :P
- inactive, on 05/30/2008, -4/+29I think Steve Jobs holds a patent for inventing cars, water, fire and the Internet as well.
- streak, on 05/30/2008, -3/+25On at least a couple of counts, this is a curious patent application. It was filed Sept. 7, 2007, more than 2 months after the iPhone was first sold and nearly 8 months after the first public disclosure at Macworld Expo SF. Since nearly all countries (except the U.S. and Japan) deny patentability for any technology that has already been publicly disclosed, we have to hope Apple filed much earlier than this for patent protections in most other countries of interest.
The US PTO also does not publish patent applications until 18 months after filing, unless patent protection is granted sooner or the applicant explicitly requests an earlier disclosure date. It's only been 8 months since filing, so Apple must have requested this. If the application had been filed immediately prior to the iPhone announcement in January 2007, we would have expected the PTO to publish the application about now. Did Apple request an earlier publication date so it might naively look like the application had been filed in a more timely manner? What's in this application that makes it worth Apple's while to publish 10 months early? - harlowsmonkeys, on 05/31/2008, -0/+20Steve Jobs is almost certainly listed on the patent for the simple reason that he is one of the inventors. Patent law requires that (1) every inventor is listed, and (2) no non-inventor is listed. Violate either of those rules, and you patent is invalid.
And don't think no one will bother to check to see if the listed inventors really were inventors. If the patent is issued, and is ever involved in a lawsuit, you can bet Steve Jobs will be sitting on a witness stand, under oath, being asked to explain exactly what he contributed. (And every other inventor listed will be called, too, and asked what Jobs did).
I've been in that position, and it is not pleasant. The defense attorney might ask you something, implying that you weren't an inventor. When you attempt to counter that, you have to be careful not to claim so much that you are implying others on the patent were not inventors. Or the defense attorney might try to give you all the credit, and you have to deny that--again being careful not to go to far, and in your attempt to share credit imply that you didn't really invent anything.
Patent attorneys know this, and you can be sure that the attorneys that drafted the application talked in depth to everyone listed, to make sure they really were inventors, and the no one was ommitted. - Stonekeeper, on 05/30/2008, -5/+24I'm sorry, but when did the jews adopt THAT symbol?
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -1/+15Actually, that's a button you can press to learn what a Star of David really looks like.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -1/+15Anything he doesn't recognize is assumed to be Jewish.
- rebotfc, on 05/30/2008, -0/+13You fail at reverse psychology.
- batmanz, on 05/30/2008, -2/+12Steve Jobs is an egomaniac? Thanks I already knew...
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+9Source?
Not that I don't think you have one, it's just that I don't think you have one. - anthony1124, on 05/31/2008, -0/+8no al gore invented the internet :/
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -1/+9I think he's more of an ergomaniac.
- hdberk, on 05/30/2008, -1/+9The star of david is made of two triangles, not two squares.
- Scape89, on 05/30/2008, -1/+7Alphabetical order is classy. Bad move Mr. Jobs.
- IllBeBack, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6No, it doesn't feel like you're yelling. It feels like you're being a huge douche.
- Wailord, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5Miserably.
- sfrench, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4You can read it here, and I think if you buy it... you can get a PDF
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=P ... - specialK16, on 05/31/2008, -2/+6Blah, Blah, Blah.... Blah, Blah......... and blah.
Anything else you may want to add. - MacParrot, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3Hmmmm, 6th grade let out early this year. Does your mom know you're using her AOL account again?
- Dracusis, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3Interesting, I've never give much though about how these things work, and after reading that, I don't think I ever want to. Hah.
- naden, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I don't understand your point:
Patent Owner: Apple
Inventor: Steve Jobs et all.
They don't have to be the same and its always nice to keep on record the person that invented a new concept for historical purposes. - Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3//weeping softly//
Can I be you? - TheWorm, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3People are taking this guys' comment way too seriously. It looks similar to the star of David...It was a joke. Lighten up.
- Rekutyn, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Oh yeah, suck my jag-off.
~South Park - cmapes2, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3Dugg for drama.
- MacParrot, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Chances are they're not real fond of you either skippy
- MacParrot, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Reverse psychology is the least of his failure problems
- Aeuta, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3I thought when a "inventor" is in company he signs a contract which gives away the right to his work to the company. In this case since Jobs is the head of the company would he receive the "inventor" status? I am not sure....
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2That's not necessarily the case -- it's a matter of negotiation. Companies and inventors can agree to share rights.
Of course if you're a line engineer for HP there isn't much negotiating going on... - jinkop38, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Steve Phone Jobs.
- nbx909, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2thus explains why all aliens are jews.
- Handonam, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2your up-diggs aren't coming, that's for sure
- streak, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2IANAL, but...
1. A patent can be /filed/ on anything, even on old well-known ideas or even on dirt (just as a law suit can be filed on anything). There is no "bar" from filing on any condition.
2. MBHockey "missed the boat" that patents are granted on specific claims that are novel and non-obvious, not on the application as a whole. If any claim is determined not to be novel or nonobvious, that does not preclude any of the other claims for further consideration and awarding of patent protection.
3. Under U.S. and Japan law, a claim will not be awarded patent protection if it is determined that its substance was publicly (anywhere in the world) known more than 1 year earlier. In virtually every other country, a claim will be disqualified if the substance was publicly disclosed or known any time at all prior to the application filing. Even if a patent is awarded, an "infringer" may be able to defend themselves from a law suit if they can show that they independently developed the same technology at an earlier date than the filing date or that the knowledge was publicly known prior to the statute of limitations.
4. MBHockey is flat wrong about the US PTO publication policy. If a patent isn't granted sooner and if the applicant doesn't request it earlier, applicants are given 18 months confidentiality. At the 18 month mark and only after 18 months then, the patent will be published, whether the applicant likes it or not. This publication policy was instituted to reduce the number of "submarine" patents (look it up in wikipedia). - naden, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Have you not seen all of the new touchscreen devices that are coming out ? .. Apple needed to get this patent ASAP so it can prevent people from completely ripping off their UI.
- AdamZC, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2your heuristics are all out of whack.
- Learn2Think, on 05/31/2008, -0/+22 FighterMaster:
Care to cite the source. All my muslim friends have always recognized the Star of David as two triangles - kreatre2007, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3It's not unusual for the company CEO or some other executive to be listed as the inventor on a patent. This is because the developers and engineers at Apple don't retain ownership of the concepts. The company does. Anyone who has followed the history of Apple might recall that Steve Wozniak worked for HP when he invented the Apple I. HP wasn't interested in his invention so, Wozniak was free to continue working on the project and retain ownership. It's a good thing that HP was so short sighted in those days :)
- HolyChimp, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3Buried for looking in the Apple section for non-Mac news,
- jlphoenix, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3everybody knew that!!
DUDE, I INVENTED THE FRIGGIN IPHONE. HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT?
-[Fake] Steve Jobs - Firehed, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Uhh... you learn that in about third grade.
- MBHockey, on 05/30/2008, -2/+4You are wrong on both counts, "streak".
1) You are only barred from filing an application where you have already publicly disclosed information relating specifically to the claims in that application AFTER ONE YEAR FROM THE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. Read 35 U.S.C. 102 (sections a,b,e). Note that (b) applies here (as sections "a" and "e" can't be used in the situation where the inventor WAS THE PERSON who publicly disclosed the information.)
2) The 18 months to publish an application is an upper limit. They are published any time from when they are filed to when they are 18 months old. Usually it happens around a year, but there's nothing unusual about this application being published now.
Lastly, I feel sorry for the poor guy who has to examine this application. 193 page spec, 300+ drawing sheets, and 45 claims including a lot of method claims. Glad it's not on my docket ;) - aliguana, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1I thought Patent applied to the person who came up with the IDEA, not who actually did the donkey work? Like, if you come up with an everlasting nuclear car battery, you can patent it. It doesn't matter who actually irons out the details and makes it. Certainly the iPhone was Steve Jobs idea... probably a very vague idea... "we're going to make a multi-touch cellphone, using OSX. Now go off and make it for me", BUT his idea nevertheless.
- HolyChimp, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Video became YouTube and Music became iPod.
The blog and dictionary widgets are what interest me... - ryanmm, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1it was a joke because it looked similar...i hate you guys
- aliguana, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1no, Al Gore invented the internets. All of them.
- inactive, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1heh
- MajorOutage, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2It's Steve Jobs, the owner of one of the biggest egos of the modern age. Who expected any less?
- Attol, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Who the hell is Steven?
- HolyChimp, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1131 pages of PDF, printed from the link above, in case anyone needs it...
http://rapidshare.com/files/118965867/United_State ... -
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