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- bigkm, on 10/12/2007, -17/+63get a job
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -15/+48"The "target-rich" environment created by Windows vulnerabilities means that virus writers and hackers have set their sights on Windows PCs, he said."
Yea that and Mac OSX is more stable and secure to begin with. - WRoach, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31Macs have always been one of the bets things around. *nix based, intuitive with a sleek UI and almost immune to spyware and virii. Anything that can dissolve Microsoft's hold over personal computing is a good thing.
- msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25He does mention how an increase in Mac buying will lead to more mac security issues. Perhaps he is setting himself for a new market.
- doushanes, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31Try the apple financing. That's what I did. $27 min. payment a month + 0% interest for 1 year. You can surely pay off a $1300 balance within a year. That is a little over $100/month assuming you buy a 17" imac.
- zezak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Just say what you need -- I'm sure we can find it. Locating software for the Mac is definitely not a problem.
- heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Your comment is the truth, provided your definition of always only includes this century.
I have several Macs, I'm not bashing them - but prior to OS X Macs were crappy single-tasking unstable computers fit for fashionistas and no one else. - Sturmur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Symantec needs a Mac Division! Buy more Macs!
- msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Let me know what you are looking for, perhaps I can help.
- mlerner, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20That's interesting that the CEO of Symantec said that since their security products are targeted for Windows. Is he trying to set up the company for failure?
- evilgod69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11he's hoping that if the mac's market share increased enough, that people will start writing effective virii for the mac, so he can then sell security products to that new market.
that is presuming that effective virii can be written for osx tho, time will prove or disprove this myth. - fermi, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23wh0pper's just spreading the usual FUD put out there by MS loyalists: "they don't run what I need". Rubbish. I switched almost a year ago and there is NOTHING I haven't been able to find for my Mac. Plus, it's usually a better piece of software.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13This is much better than the indefensible position they were taking a couple of months back.
- mickoes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Would you spend $200 more to have security and privacy?
The answer is yes! - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"AUTOCAD (not vectorworks, not archicad) and RHINO 3D (not maya, not lightwave)
bring them and i'll switch... maybe"
I agree, and that's why I don't make that argument. However, those are standby's that all PC loyaltists jump to. Now Macs can even run Autocad and Rhino 3D, however, so your argument is in fact, now void. And it doesn't take a tech scientist to name at least two pathways for the installation and execution of either app. So please, name something new. - ,,|,_, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Of course he wants to increase Apple's market share for the Mac. Simple supply and demand at work:
Increased market share = more likely to be a target of virus authors = more sales for Symantec AV. - toby34a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Symantec has been putting stuff out for the Mac forever. Norton Disk Doctor, Norton Antivirus, etc. have been coming out on the Mac platform forever. I can remember working on LCIII's with Norton Disk Doctor installed. So, he's still getting his.
However,(unrelated) Norton Internet Security/Personal Firewall is the devil. Just ask your handy-dandy tech rep at any university helpdesk that needs HTTPS protocols. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You're right. It's not bullet proof but at least OSX remembered to wear a bullet proof jacket to the fight.
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15How long did it take him to figure that one out? And this guy is supposed to be a CEO?
- keylargodave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Just don't click on the links on the main page....see how easy that is.
- thespacepope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I always thought it was funny that their "Intelligent Updater" (an ActiveX based virus definition updater) has a picture of a powerbook...
- m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Probably to piss off hackers so they code viruses for macs and make him more money.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Symantec and Mcaffe already have Mac divisions. Probably don't have very many machines or staff (due to the fact there really aren't that many different kinds of Macs). Having more Macs sold will probably not change this, however; Unix viruses for any Unix have extreme difficulties of being effective or proliferating wildly, so it is highly likely they won't actually /need/ to increase the size of the department (and that's good for the bottom line). In short, if more Macs are sold, they can do the same amount of work and make a larger profit. Now THAT sounds like a Win.
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I guess scrolling past the story, not clicking on it, or not commenting is just too complicated for you, huh?
- tokyobill, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I'd say that it is the other way around. Although there aren't as many titles for the mac, the programs available are alot better in quality and usability than the windows counterparts. I have found a corresponding mac application for every windows application I use and I enjoy using them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Symantec has a mac division.
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Lets face it; Norton is utterly bloated Which freaking uses tons of memory for something that's always running in "background". It eats up a lots of memory (40,000K to be exact), can screw up your internet connection, is a pain to uninstall then reinstall, pesters you with reminders to subscribe and activate, and doesn't let you make it a non-startup program. Why Norton Why!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5His company is quite a unique position.
Microsoft has been notorious for including it's products into it's OS to wipe out it's competition. MS at one point promised software vendors they wouldn't make competing software, and now they everyone is addicted to the platform.. they've gone back on it again and again and again. It's no different here.
So what's a symantec to do? Find another platform to profit from. but a hard platform to sell to. They know linux can take care of their own, and the the OSS advocates will laugh them out the door. So mac is your only option in their business model.
Selling to Mac guys is going to be like selling to Linux guys in regards to knowing that the OS is pretty robust when it comes to security by design. I reccommend an anti-virus for every computer.. just in case. But hell.. Clam works just fine for Macs. I'm sure if there ever was a mac virus, it's definitions would be updated to take care of it.
McAfee has been smart. They've teamed up with comcast and with AOL, among other ISPs to ensure everyone gets a free copy with their account and the ISP just pays them. What's norton done? Other than remove competing products from people's machines (Norton's identifies Spybot as a virus). It's a bloated piece of crap software.
Symantec ought to be glad they purchased Veritas a while back, they're going to need the revenue stream eventually. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"The next step is the same in Windows: getting the stupid user to run it."
I would say that the next step is to have it install itself with root privileges and propagate with minimal user interaction, if any. - aspirinetu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12"wh0pper's just spreading the usual FUD put out there by MS loyalists: "they don't run what I need". Rubbish. I switched almost a year ago and there is NOTHING I haven't been able to find for my Mac. Plus, it's usually a better piece of software."
AUTOCAD (not vectorworks, not archicad) and RHINO 3D (not maya, not lightwave)
bring them and i'll switch... maybe - Pogue_Mahone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Steve Jobs should tell John Thompson to shut up. Nothing will kill Apple's credibility in the computer world faster than an endorsement from Symantec.
- bigkm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10wow you cant find any equivilent tools for your mac at work.
I'll stick to my mac as every thing i need is installed for daily use, ssh,apache,php,vim,egrep, sed. all these are basically standard on any nix platform, have you ever tried http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ to find software - odysseus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes, you can use a greasemonkey script called digg-den00ber. I use it to kill lame googlerailsajax stories. http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2310
- coding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5To me he is saying that their product basically can't protect windows, so just give up already.
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Yeah, except that hasn't seemed to happen the 100 other times the Mac community did their best to piss off the hackers.
I mean there have been contests held with -prize money- to anyone who makes a successful Mac virus.
I'm thinking it's just not that easy to do it, even if the hackers are motivated. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Clever business strategy...support macs so more people switch over... take the short hit of loss from people not buying your products until so many people have macs that viruses start hitting them too... then you double your market.
Smart, symantec... smart. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4[quote]good point, he probably will not be using his own product[/quote]
I don't blame him for not wanting to use Symantec products. They're even more buggier and bloated than M$ products. Ever tried Norton AV? It leaves more junk on your PC than most viruses do! Talk about the cure being worse than the disease. - Personatech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"Thing is, once more and more people get Macs, virus writers will start targeting them more."
Let 'em - it'd be a waste of their time. Mac OS X is simply more secure than Windows. Even if a virus does get on a Mac, the damage it can do is limited which can't be said for Windows. - BigHungryJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Exactly, the cad comic. http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060513
They feel you're suffering enough already."
That comic has no truth to it. And the fact that you'd use a 4 panel comic to try and back up your point proves you have no credibility. Macs have no viruses because of their isolation security model. - starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>Don't forget that the PC is consistantly faster in almost any cross-platform app. The
>opteron has consistantly been the best CPU on the market for a number of a years now and
>Mac OS doesn't run on it. That said, Windows XP performance on boot-camped systems is
>better than Mac OS X on those same PC. I think that very eliquant, beautiful interface on
>the Mac might take a few extra clock cycles to run - drags the system down
this is just not true. my 800 mhz... G4 with a gig of ram doesn't bog down under the load
of as many programs as i can open. when developing i have run win98, win2000/xp, linux, os x,
classic all at one time with no problems.
i never close a program once its booted. it gets reset when i reboot after an upgrade. i have
3 ghz XP machines that strain under adobe software with the screen not redrawing right... long
pauses...
the other thing that fools PC people. macs just last longer. i have machines well over 10 years
old upgraded with G3 cards running OS X just fine. not slow. nothing. if anything it gets
better as apple streamlines the code.
PC... they average 2 to 3 years. then you buy a new one. this is the chief reason this
marketshare figure is distorted. macs rarely die. they just get old and slower... PC
guys that have no clue what they are looking at then compare it to the latest greatest
PC and it might seem slow. rarely annoying slow as they are still in use. thats how
these comparisons get made. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Thank you for reiterating this! People assume that the reason a Mac is safer is the lack of targetting from the seedy underworld of crackers (let's use correct terminology - hackers never hurt anyone), but at the base level, its a safer kernel that requires a root/wheel password to make changes. What it will come down to is if Joe User authorizes some rogue app to have admin privledges and get burnt. But at that point, PEBKAC.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Symantec has a Mac division.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exactly, and progating on its own with minimal user interaction is definatly a windows problem, not a os x problem.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3[quote]Let 'em - it'd be a waste of their time. Mac OS X is simply more secure than Windows. Even if a virus does get on a Mac, the damage it can do is limited which can't be said for Windows.[/quote]
"More secure" != secure. - Deuterium, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7How about FBCB2, FalconView, or PDC-500. I've been waiting for years for a MAC software equivalent. Complete rubbish about there ALWAYS being a substitute app with a MAC.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's true that no OS is completely secure, unless there are no users on the OS whatsoever. I'm not a Mac user, but I do have respect for OS X's security. However, there are limits.
The best way around a secure OS is just to do some social engineering. Spam email people with "Amazing Dancing Potatoes Click Here!" will work, because to the OS, it looks like the user really -does- want to run destroy_everything.{exe,app,sh}
That said, I'm not a big fan of windows OS security. Remember all those worms that required no user intervention by exploiting holes in the windows network service? Or Outlook viruses you could get merely by receiving an email with the right exploit, without even viewing the email? tsk, tsk. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@batty I hope you're kidding...Vegas Pro is a non-linear multi-track audio recording and editing system with video support... It is not a dedicated non-linear editor. And it runs on w9x and NT? And which feature films and TV shows are made on it?
- damonlab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@Isanbourne
"Just say what you need -- I'm sure we can find it. Locating software for the Mac is definitely not a problem."
I work at a mid sized law firm and I could name 50 software programs that you can't find mac or 'nix ports for. These programs are written for law firms and are writen for Windows. There is no other OS choice. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And while the thread moved to audio production, ProTools is where its at for professional level audio recording. I haven't seen one production studio that doesn't run off it and a Mac right there at the console.
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