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- chris9902, on 03/05/2008, -25/+154So Windows mobile has Flash AND Silverlight but Apple have.... starbucks?
*golf clap* - mochaman, on 03/05/2008, -23/+121On the technical merits, I just can't buy this story from Steve. The notion that Flash is an energy hog (which it could well be) and somehow it can't be modified to run on a mobile device is hard to swallow. Adobe and Macromedia have one the most talented software engineering teams. It seems to me that there is something else going on, there is turf war between the two and no one is relenting. The bottom line is who needs it more for Flash to run on the iPhone, and at this point it is clear that Apple has little or no interest, and it will be up to Adobe to make it happen somehow.
- lilzaphod, on 03/05/2008, -14/+98The real issue is that Apple doesn't want to pay Adobe for Flash Light 3, and his programmers couldn't retrofit the baseline Flash application.
Jobs wants Adobe to port Flash Light 3 for free when every other handset manufacturer pays Adobe for it. Not going to happen. - jkroge, on 06/12/2008, -8/+72"Adobe's proprietary software would need to be recompiled and optimized for the ARM architecture"
That is not true, Flash works on my PDA which uses the ARM architecture. - inactive, on 03/05/2008, -34/+92Someone on CNET said this better than me:
Flash is indeed a nuisance. It is used for:
1) annoying video ads
2) annoying intros to websites made by designers with overblown egos, intros that get in the way of getting things done
3) circumvention of popup blockers
4) circumvention of cookie blockers
5) inane video sharing sites - estvir, on 03/05/2008, -18/+68Oh, we all know it's not really true, but Apple/Jobs operates by blaming others.
- inactive, on 03/05/2008, -8/+54A 12 year old will fix this stuff soon enough, just wait and see!
- nocam, on 11/10/2008, -7/+46Flash on the iPhone will be a bad idea right up until Steve introduces it at Macworld, at which point the RDF will transmute it into a great idea.
- mochaman, on 03/05/2008, -10/+48To be honest, I think he is full of *****.
- troydoogle7, on 03/05/2008, -12/+50Yes I remember when 3g wasn't developed enough or ate too much battery....
- lava, on 03/05/2008, -1/+38As a hardcore flash developer, I'm tired of Adobe not releasing mobile versions of flash FOR FREE. The greater the reach of the platform the more Flash IDE licenses they'll sell. I recently swiched from Windows Mobile to Blackberry, and what do I find? I can't run the applications I developed because flash lite isn't available for BlackBerry. So now I have to rewrite my apps using J2ME, and it's going to be twice the work to get them to look as good.
Also, what's up with Flash Lite? Adobe had Flash Player 7 for Mobile devices and discontinued it, wtf? Flash Lite can't stream flvs, which is why you can't get youtube on your phone.
By the way, the battery issue is real. Having a flash application continuously running on your phone will drain your battery like crazy. - inactive, on 03/05/2008, -17/+51Yeah, but Windows Mobile runs like constipated *****.
- AnthonyC, on 03/05/2008, -12/+44Flash is a big part of the internet, whether Apple likes it or not. They need to accept it and support it.
If it was about the customer, they would. I'll stick with my mogul.
I love some other Apply products, have owned multiple iPods, and own a Macbook. This is just stupid though. Apple has the chance to obliterate the mobile phone market and they are going to blow it. - cmdrNacho, on 03/05/2008, -21/+53He is full of *****... as others point out.. Flash does work on arm architecture , multiple OS's, .. Nokia N800 has an ARM 333mhz processor and it runs. The ipone is double. F you apple
- tylerbanfield, on 03/05/2008, -7/+31That's disappointing. It's never fun to visit a site on the iPhone and see nothing but a little blue box :(
- jo21, on 03/05/2008, -8/+32this article is a crap.
nokia did it in their symbian os s60 devices with little of a AMR11 330mhz and a powerVR video chip.
my n95 can see in any website flash (including youtube, dailymotion), by 3.5g OR WIFI - Izacus, on 03/05/2008, -12/+36Hrrrm... My Symbian phone has Flash stupport and a noticably slower ARM processor than my iPod.
When will people start checking up on what ***** Jobs sells them? - inactive, on 03/05/2008, -3/+24Which means I won't be buying one, because I was like, waiting to see what you were going to do.
- ferrariman60, on 03/05/2008, -12/+32I thought that Steve was all kinds of proud about how he has "Real OS X" installed on the iphone. Last time I checked, OS X can run Flash. And I don't buy the processor thing. I wonder what kind of positive spin they are going to put on it so the fanboys will be satisfied and feel superior to mobile devices that can run flash.
- elfprince13, on 03/05/2008, -11/+29because 8 Cores, 4TB of hard drive space, and 32GB of RAM is underpowered.
- banmaster, on 03/05/2008, -0/+15Still a lot more functional than not having flash at all though, don't you think?
- allaboutdatiki, on 03/05/2008, -3/+18The gears need to be greased ...
- airburst, on 03/05/2008, -5/+20If it is written as well as Acrobat Reader then keep it the ***** off my phone.
- drlha, on 03/05/2008, -2/+17Given your logic why would Abobe release Flash on anything then?
- subliminalurge, on 03/05/2008, -4/+18The one and only example of "useful things" that you came up with was games?
I remain unconvinced. - dizm, on 03/05/2008, -5/+19Wow as useful as games, you are the winner just shoot the duck!
- inactive, on 03/05/2008, -9/+23No, but a 1.6GHz processor in a £1199 laptop is.
- mochaman, on 03/05/2008, -10/+24He is bluffing his ass off, and some ought to call him on that. Come on Adobe do something!!
- noahhoward, on 03/05/2008, -3/+16Spoken like a man who prides himself on not knowing what the hell he's talking about.
- naonao, on 03/05/2008, -0/+13They ported the entire YouTube video library to the iPhone.
- applebyte, on 03/05/2008, -0/+13jon gruber of daring fireball said it best...
http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/news_flash_no_fl ...
apple has no reason to promote a competitor's proprietary format that has yet to be established for the mobile market. - fjc8, on 03/05/2008, -0/+12Are you kidding? A Flash interpreter (=slow) running in an interpreted/JIT VM (=slow) on a device with a CPU designed to do email (=slow)?
- MxM111, on 03/05/2008, -1/+13You miss the point completely, don't you?
- blurrie, on 03/05/2008, -2/+14seriously. i also love how closing an app in windows mobile.. doesn't actually close the program.. i never quite understood that.
- jo21, on 03/05/2008, -2/+14there is symbian OS , that have flash and can watch youtube and video flash sites... and doesn't run lilke *****
- jjpertusch, on 03/05/2008, -2/+14ex 1: itunes's initial problems with windows vista. microsoft released information to make sure third party software was compatible with vista and apple ignored it, then released an update to the problem with 'vista breaking itunes' much later.
- fjc8, on 03/05/2008, -2/+13Adobe released a player for Flash 6 or 7 on the Pocket PC.
- banmaster, on 03/05/2008, -7/+188 Cores, 4TB of hard drive space, and 32GB of RAM for Apple's asking price IS underpowered!
- noahhoward, on 03/05/2008, -10/+20Flash does not run on your PDA, Flash Lite runs on your PDA. Apple is trying to get Adobe to port Flash, not Lite.
- kris33, on 03/05/2008, -3/+13H.264 is an open standard
- grizwald, on 03/05/2008, -4/+14I'm sure Jobs thinks he can kill Flash in the long term. Several years from now when you can buy an iPhone for $99 with 40GB + of storage there will be tons of these things out there. If the iPhone / iTouch are successful to the level that the iPod has been, something like this could easily force web developers to embrace quicktime and move away from Flash just from a numbers standpoint.
- Jangles, on 03/05/2008, -9/+19I don't quote buy this. Flash is used on other mobile devices, may arguably weaker than the iPhone, so why is this so complicated?
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/05/2008, -1/+11Its not just with the iPhone.
Apple has also removed Adobe Flash support for their presentation software, Keynote, without prior notice. This act has screwed over many people that have to do flashy presentations every few weeks like myself.
Apple just decided they didn't want to support it anymore, called Flash a "security risk" and ended it there. I'm pretty astonished myself. - daborg, on 03/05/2008, -0/+10Are you trying to tell us it would be slow?
- cmdrNacho, on 03/05/2008, -0/+9From specs
http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n ...
go to technical specifications
N800 runs flash player 9 wouldn't they need to make distinction between flash player 9 and flash lite 3 ? - imikedaman, on 03/05/2008, -4/+13ex 2: the iPhone can't have 3rd party apps because Cingular's network is so unbelievably fragile that a single frozen app can take down their entire infrastructure.
- Jangles, on 03/05/2008, -5/+14Is this sarcasm? I thought it was and am now second guessing myself. It's a standard and necessary for web surfing. IMO it is not much of a web device if it cannot do something as basic as flash.
- noahhoward, on 03/05/2008, -4/+13If you had read the article you'd have seen that they don't want Flash Lite, they want Flash. Flash Lite doesn't do anyone any good if web programmers are using Flash. That is where the issue comes from.
- prolix21, on 03/05/2008, -6/+15wouldn't this be adobe's responsibility anyway? why harp on apple about this. adobe is the one who would have to write the plug-in and overcome whatever limitations there are. maybe with the sdk adobe can figure out a solution
- kris33, on 03/05/2008, -4/+13It's never fun to visit a site on my computer and see nothing but a big flash popup that fools AdBlock
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