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- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I used to use the favourite app argument but it is getting harder to use. OS X has most bases covered well. Industry standard stuff is there and if you have common or not so common tasks to perform, the software equivilents are there too. Still, I'd die if I couldn't have my Adobe Audition.
I also think its a pretty weak argument andrew to say Microsoft is coming out with x in the future. We could all just sit and wait endlessly for more impressive tech on the horizon. There comes a point that you just have to take the plunge and deal with what is out and workable now. - RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Amusing but not really very revealing. There is a lot going into Vista that isn't available on OS X and to be fair, there is a lot in OS X that wont be available in Vista.
I'm not a big fan of knocking either OS, competition is a good thing for the customer so the more choice we have, the better. What I will find interesting is when Vista launches, comparing the features, usability, speed and so on. There are going to be a lot of people doing that. It's just too early to really see Vista doing what it will do in the final release. - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5As I said in another thread:
This video doesn't put forward a single valid point.
Vista's visual theme looks and acts nothing like OS X's "steel and jellybeans" theme. The Windows file browser and Finder are drastically different. Flip 3D is more akin to Alt-Tab than Expose. The taskbar in Vista shows live previews of EVERY window when you mouse over its name while the OS X dock only show live previews of minimized windows. Alt-Tab has been injected with the same instant-live-preview functionality (of course, this was available in XP through a Microsoft plug-in, but no one really uses it)...this is not present in the OS X application switching interface. The Sidebar, and accompanying gadgets, are Microsoft's take on the Konfabulator engine (I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications).
That covers everything mentioned in that video. - AjaxDiggz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4*****. As is the Coral link. Nothing to see here folks, let's all just move along.
- Hohenheim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Sidebar, and accompanying gadgets, are Microsoft's take on the Konfabulator engine (I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications).
Sorry, but wrong...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt - TimmyK., on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>>>>posted by skyfex ""Well for one thing Jobs ripped off Xerox for the whole GUI idea. Learn some basic PC history if you want to talk about it"
TimmyK.: You have some learning to do yourself. Xerox didn't want the GUI technology, and practically gave it to Apple. Many of the research workers from Xerox supposedly went over to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh."
Saying that Xerox "didn't want" the GUI is idiotic. They actually sold it as the Star, so I would say that they sure as hell wanted it. Xerox made a huge mistake in letting Jobs and co. see all their innovations, but they didn't "give" anything to him, at least not intentionally. They let him tour the PARC labs, and showed him what they had developed there. The head of the PARC labs made her superiors make it a written order that she was supposed to show Jobs what they had so that she couldn't be blamed by them later when they realized how they had revealed too much for no reason. She knew that showing Jobs that stuff was not a good idea, but the higher ups didn't understand what they had. Jobs saw the ideas for a working GUI and incorporated many of them into Lisa, which was already being worked on at the time. But without what he saw at Xerox Lisa probably wouldn't have turned out the way it did, and subsequently been pretty much remade as the Mac. And yes people from PARC worked for Apple on the Mac, but they worked at Xerox first, so I don't get what your point is with that. In any case Apple was working on a GUI before Jobs toured PARC, but it was the work that Xerox had done that most influenced what Lisa and Mac ultimately became. So to say it in a very crude way (as the poster that I was replying to was doing) Apple ripped off Xerox. And I'm typing this on my iBook, so don't think I'm just Apple Bashing. Thankfully somebody like Steve Jobs had the vision to take those innovations from PARC labs and realize their potential, otherwise we wouldn't have anything like the computers we all use now (Windows, Linux, or Mac). - jjhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Direcct link: http://media.maclive.net.nyud.net:8090/media/vista/real_vista_episode_1.mov
- neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2defending windows is defending hitler.
- phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the point is: even Vista has more features than OS X already have, like some instant preview of alt-tab, and more "transparency", Vista is still ugly. Microsoft does NOT understand what is simple, useful and beauty. Those instant preview does not improve usability, or at least improve...so little. And their transparency just makes their UI looks like dirty glass. OS X has the ability to do all the visual effects in Vista. The reason those things are not in OS X is because they are not useful and ugly.
- TWiTarmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1those are both hillarious!
does anyone know where i can see the microsoft ces keynote in something besides wmp? (wmp sucks for mac). - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Drop this ***** about Konfabulator somehow having changed the world or whatever. It didn't and Apple proved the concept when you were still in diapers."
First off, captain, you don't know a damned thing about me and your assumption about my age is just wrong (and laughable). Konfabulator popularized what is a fairly simple idea...it's an easy-to-use engine for small desktop applications that often interface with the internet. The idea of small, stand-alone applications wasn't _invented_ by Apple.
What's funny is that, for all the points I brought up about these videos, you Apple zombies have only latched on to, and gone off about, two of them.
If you don't like Windows then that's more than OK. If you prefer OS X then use it and enjoy it. But WHY, OH WHY, do we have to be bombarded with this anti-Microsoft/Windows propaganda every single day? Does it make you feel better? Really? - inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dashboard & konfabulator
1) Konfabulator, designed by an Apple employee who worked on Copland (an OS apple never released)
2) "Widgets" known as desk accessories, "little apps that reside in the menu bar" are designed and ship with Mac System 5, in 1988-ish
3) Konfabulator is nothing new, Apple owes it's "former" employee nothing, if anything the former employee should pay apple. or apple should sue for stealing concepts. - phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This this comes up in every single mac thread. If Desk Ornamanets were widgets then so is the windows calculator or minesweeper. Widgets are small apps written in a simple scripting language using a single widget engine behind all your widgets. For instance it's really easy to whip up a Samurize widget with a bit of VB or a GDesklets widget with some python or a Konfabulator widget with some JavaScript, and a single instance of your engine runs in the background."
It is wrong to define widget this way. They use python or javascript because so that many people can easily develop widgets. And then we can have many. Even they use C they are still widgets. - inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This argument is totally retarded, consider that fact that you are comparing Vista with Apple's offerings from over a year ago. Apple will release 10.5 LONG before Vista ever comes out which will once again put apple ahead of microsoft for a few years.
- ekstasis16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Huh. And here I thought the nation was divided over politics.
I have an idea. Use the OS that best suits your needs, for whatever reasons, and go on about your day. End of story.
(The vid was funny, though.) - RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"That just about sums up 75% of the last week's comments associated with any post about any platform. Can we please move on?"
And your comment would fit into the people moaning about the people moaning category which I dont have a percentage for but I'm more fed up reading this than attempts at discussion about os's and their differences. - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Go back to the original 1984-era Macs and you will find just that: dedicated, tiny, single-purposed apps."
That's the definition of most *nix apps. "One tool, one app, one purpose." I'm not sure Apple, or anyone else, can claim ownership of that concept.
I think I'm going to start blocking comments that are simply "[insert OS] rox0rz!!!111 [insert other OS] 1s teh sux0rrz." Waste of time and bandwidth. - andrewr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0man i want a mac, oh ill just wait for vista. I can see myself personally benefitting from having a powerbook laptop and a desktop PC, becaussseeeeeee I love to upgrade my hardware, change it out, mod it, etc. I dont see myself doing that with a Mac. So a laptop would do me just fine.
- LtEnder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"There is a lot going into Vista that isn't available on OS X"
of course there will. Like the latest sludge pile of viruses, trojans, annoying popups, poor spam blocking, rootkits, and a whole slew of other "features". - TimmyK., on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>>>posted by Urusai "Let's see: Windows rips off MacOS, Linux GUIs rip off Windows. Who is Apple ripping off?
Their customers. Heh."
Well for one thing Jobs ripped off Xerox for the whole GUI idea. Learn some basic PC history if you want to talk about it. Secondly how is it possible to be "ripping off" a large group of very satisfied customers? If anyone knows the cost of Macs it's the Mac users who buy them, and they seem to be willing to pay it. Ripping somebody off is selling them something that is actually worth less than what they thought they were getting (like a broken OS that you then refuse to fix, and call the flaws "features"). Mac users just know what they want, and get what they pay for, and are satisfied with it. - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"That's the definition of most *nix apps. "One tool, one app, one purpose." I'm not sure Apple, or anyone else, can claim ownership of that concept."
Exactly. Most applications (even today) have a single purpose. To say that Apple owns or originated that idea is bogus. The idea of Desk Ornaments is more of a workaround for an ancient problem than a patentable innovation. - yvovandoorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I mirrored it on my site:
http://www.disgruntled-dutch.com/media/misc/real_vista_episode_1.mov
http://www.disgruntled-dutch.com/media/misc/real_vista_episode_2.mov - einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^^
then let me add "using a windowed GUI for the app" to my definition. Not sure I want a calculator in CLI. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I find it amusing how Microsoft apparently mentions the ideas first yet much smaller companies can get the technology developed and up and running before them. Perhaps one could suggest that Microsoft simply blows their own trumpet a lot more than the competition and that the competition actually wait until they have something before shooting their mouth off about it?!?!"
Yea because the time it takes for google to write an app that does desktop search is just as long as it takes to write an OS right? OS X tiger was nearing completion and they probably stuck in desktop search once microsoft announced it JUST so their fanboys could go off on forums and social bookmarking websites :P - einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"... The idea of small, stand-alone applications wasn't _invented_ by Apple...."
Actually it was.
Go back to the original 1984-era Macs and you will find just that: dedicated, tiny, single-purposed apps. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hotwaterham, just thought I would register myself as a statistic that had never even heard of Konfabulator until after I was actually using Dashboard. So from my point of view, the widget concept was popularised by Dashboard. Applying your end-point to this, from my point of view your comment is just anti-OSX propaganda.
- Estazor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares if Microsoft is using Apple's "ideas"? As long as you are happy with your OS that that's all that matters.
- skyfex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Well for one thing Jobs ripped off Xerox for the whole GUI idea. Learn some basic PC history if you want to talk about it"
TimmyK.: You have some learning to do yourself. Xerox didn't want the GUI technology, and practically gave it to Apple. Many of the research workers from Xerox supposedly went over to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft announced desktop search at PDC2003, what happened 2004? lo and behold google, yahoo all these people came out with their desktop search engines and so did Apple because all of em knew they would beat vista to the count. Microsoft was responsible for legitimizing it, it's just that apple,google and yahoo beat them to it.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I find it amusing how Microsoft apparently mentions the ideas first yet much smaller companies can get the technology developed and up and running before them. Perhaps one could suggest that Microsoft simply blows their own trumpet a lot more than the competition and that the competition actually wait until they have something before shooting their mouth off about it?!?!
- rpeterclark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First time this made it to the front page yesterday, it got lamed off, what is taking so long this time?
- kjd1806, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Both videos are being hosted here as well:
http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-introducing-the-real-windows-vista/
Along with some pretty interesting comments - ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0heh, its funny because the first time i read about all the new Vista features i was like...uhh I have this already. its called OS X! lol
- Osmanthus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is there a link to the original video? I want to compare and contrast. Because I didnt understand very much that I saw in the Mac version. I dont know, I think mac users are delusional if they think this video demonstrates what he was talking about.
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Uber Dupe from yesterday. Reported. - ToadPedestal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0anyone download the video and can make a torrent or something?
I can do it, if you don't want to, but I need the video. - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Video works now.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@hotwaterham, "I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications"
I hate to break it to you but you are full of ***** and know nothing of what you speak: I could continue, but this says it all: http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator
Drop this ***** about Konfabulator somehow having changed the world or whatever. It didn't and Apple proved the concept when you were still in diapers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ajaxdiggz
***** is indeed the way to describe these situations.... - OregonTrail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Original video:
http://bg1msft-wm9.fplive.net/bg1msft/ces_billgates_keynote_20060104_300.wmv - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh and buy the way, +digg, that was mighty funny yet somehow shocking.
- jeff1943, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Funny stuff
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0andrewR: Mac, not MAC (MAC Address).
- ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This this comes up in every single mac thread. If Desk Ornamanets were widgets then so is the windows calculator or minesweeper. Widgets are small apps written in a simple scripting language using a single widget engine behind all your widgets. For instance it's really easy to whip up a Samurize widget with a bit of VB or a GDesklets widget with some python or a Konfabulator widget with some JavaScript, and a single instance of your engine runs in the background.
On the other hand desk ornaments were a nasty hack because mac OS didn't multitask at the time. The only similarity was that you could write a small app, but hell, you could write small apps for any other multitasking OS at the time too. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0funny? this is jut confusing. NO DIGg
- BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Let's see: Windows rips off MacOS, Linux GUIs rip off Windows. Who is Apple ripping off?
Their customers. Heh.
***** but a funny one! Long live teh Macintosh!
Fanboy a true blue. - damonshajen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HAH! I love it.
- theprez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use nothing but Macs and I don't find this funny. The video is more boring than watching Gates himself. Of course you could find similarity in functions between the two popular OSes, but taking the time to make a video is what makes some Mac users such ridiculous fanboys.
Besides the 3D viewing in Vista is something that I would like to see in a future release of OS X and I don't care if it is a "copy". I would argue that it is better than Expose.
No digg. - mburns, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0coral cache is working: http://maclive.net.nyud.net:8090/sid/134
- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think somewhere in another parallel universe that the Amiga is still King. It had more going for it on the hardware and software side than Apple could have dreamed of.
Anyway, just to round off the xerox/Apple debacle. Microsoft then pinched off Apple. I only mention this because I believe the driving force behind Steve Jobs is to one day beat Microsoft and finally settle the score heh -
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