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- geoken, on 10/11/2007, -37/+147In related news, Safari for Windows un-installs top 990,000 in 48 hours.
- hbweb500, on 10/11/2007, -7/+71But how many people are still using it? I downloaded it, booted it once, didn't care for it, then uninstalled it. I think the numbers are fueled by curiosity/excitement more than an actual embracing of Safari.
- diegoferreyra, on 10/11/2007, -17/+81Finally, an accurate post about Safari on Windows.
This is all about enabling iPhone as a platform, not Safari trying to win the browser competition. - mgkwho, on 10/11/2007, -28/+88I wish Apple would port iChat to Windows.
-=|Mgkwho - terrorpin, on 10/11/2007, -25/+85But I've already uninstalled it, so it's really only 999,999.
- pbaehr, on 10/11/2007, -14/+44As many people have pointed out, the number of downloads does not translate to the number of users. Many people (myself included) downloaded it (*****, it's free, why not?) to see what the fuss was about and promptly uninstalled it.
- Hydroxyl, on 10/11/2007, -13/+41I wish they'd port Adium to Windows.
:drool: - Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -6/+31"I wish Apple would port iChat to Windows."
Tick tock, it's coming! - mingistech, on 10/11/2007, -19/+44Wow... 1 million in 48hrs. That seems really quick.
For all the complaining I here on here... there sure are alot of people using it. - Ulrika, on 10/11/2007, -10/+34I'm drawn to Safari because it generates output that feels to me as if it came off a press. Having a background in professional typesetting with LaTeX, QuarkXPress, and Adobe InDesign, I demand a consistent and high level of control over my content and expect a polished ready-for-print final product. Safari among all browsers uniquely provides me this experience and thus, as mentioned by the parent post, provides a unique development platform.
Minus automated access to ligatures, Safari is as close as one can get to professional typesetting on the web. Indeed, discussions about blurry or thick fonts in Safari, color variations in images, and strict CSS support are all related to MacOS's history as a publication platform. In the case of the font rendering, Apple uses an alternate subpixel font-rendering technology that generates text which is more akin to printed matter. To me, the strict adherence to CSS is similar to the precise controls over text that a typesetting program provides. Additionally, Safari 3 supports native SVG rendering, permitting vectorized graphics to exist alongside rasterized much like a typesetting program. (In-line PDFs have been supported from the beginning, however support in other browsers is mixed.)
In short, to me the worth of Safari is not the fact that it's faster, that it provides additional competition, or that it contains a sufficient number of plugins and features, to me the benefit is that provides an alternate paradigm -- markup language presented as print-ready copy. No other browser does that -- and once you recognize it, it's tough to go back. - tamoorhussain, on 10/11/2007, -14/+37I uninstalled mine after 5 mins, didnt like it, sure others did the same.
- jjpertusch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26who wants to go fishing?
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25Wow, I didn't know you can close tabs by clicking the middle button on them.
- HUKI365, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24While I didn't uninstall it, I did stop using it. It IS slick. But stupid stuff (You can't close tabs by clicking with the middle button on them, no user add ons (adblock)), stops me using it.
- binky79, on 10/11/2007, -9/+24I downloaded it, surfed with it for 10 minutes, let out an audible, "meh," closed it, and quickly forgot it was even there.
- Forever-Zero, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I downloaded it, and it's a fine browser. There's nothing special about it really, only thing I really liked was the on screen highlighting.
They shouldn't be screaming out "the world's best browser" though. There's nothing wrong with it, but there's not much going for it either. I'll just repeat the words of every other web developer I have seen comment on digg in these articles, and say that I am happy as hell that I can test my stuff on Safari now.
If you aren't an iPhone owner or a web developer, you will probably have no reason to download it other than to check it out. - IEatHamburgers, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20It is useful to see how websites look in Safari without finding somebody who owns a Mac to test it out on. I can't afford one myself.
- legendxx, on 10/11/2007, -22/+34that's a lot of dissapointed people...
- bigjosh359, on 10/11/2007, -13/+25Downloaded, Installed, Uninstalled....
- tadunne, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17You can always chat to msn people thru a jabber-msn gateway. I do this all the time!
- Hostile, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12At least Safari and Opera pass Acid 2 test, *cough* Firefox and IE
- eddie72, on 10/11/2007, -11/+21Not exactly, I installed Safari to see what the browsing experience was like but I went back to the browsers I normally use, IE7 and Firefox. Safari is nice but not nice enough to replace my two main browsers and unlike what is being hyped it isn't any faster at loading than IE7 or Firefox. So I am one of those that downloaded it but using it on a daily basis? No
- beangawlowski, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11I installed Safari and used it for a day, but I'm back to using Firefox.
I switch between Safari and Camino on my Mac, but on Windows nothing beats Firefox. - CBanga, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11No, they just want developers to create apps for the iPhone.
- Hostile, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I'm glad that Firefox 3 will, its about damn time, Mozilla needs to start using their market share to push for web standards. Opera has been trying this for years but just doesn't have the market share, if Firefox is fully standards compliant it will have some force to push everyone else to comply to standards.
- maybeway36, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11And I wish the KDE people ported Kopete to Windows. Oh, wait, they are! :D
- Jambi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Fanboys think so highly of Apple because they make a good OS with well-integrated applications (which despite this, are easy to get rid of if you'd prefer something else). The Windows versions of Apple apps aren't very good for some reason, and eat memory like crazy.
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"NO ADDBLOCK!"
You can add an adblock.css for Safari, in the prefs. Then ads are gone. - Qumahlin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Your job is only made hard if you don't follow standards. You apparently haven't looked into the webkit rendering engine and are merely wishing there was only one browser so that you didn't have to worry about compatibility
It amazes me when people bitch about crap like this, get over it, competition is a needed thing, if it wasn't we could make all software developers lives easier by mandating that every computer made have the same exact components and drivers. - clickmyface, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11"Wow, I didn't know you can close tabs by clicking the middle button on them."
Hell, I didn't even know there was a middle button!
*sigh* Mac user here. */sigh* - orgazmo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Yah, I'm sure they worked real hard to code bugs in there... since... you know, its supposed to have bugs
- Vermifax, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I downloaded Safari 3 beta in Vista.
After using it, I was disappointed .......in Vista.
So, I rebooted back into Tiger and everything was right again. - WazzaM, on 10/11/2007, -9/+14I'm using Safari for Digg... It rocks... A few media bugs buy they are calming down.
Good marketing tool for Apple... Fast ! Will always use IE for other work stuff... Recommended by our IT. - talman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I don't know about the other 999,999 but I was a little curious. Definitely didn't convince me to switch.
However, backlit keyboard thats a different story ... - AydenV2, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Things I like about Safari:
Fast loading, loads faster than IE and somewhat faster than FF
Better rendering, all images look better in Safari
Nice text rendering, Easy on the eyes
Things I dislike:
Crashes when I download some things, expected since its beta
Memory hog, Apple product, expected
NO ADDBLOCK!
All in all, I will continue to use Safari because I believe it's superior. - kinghajj, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Just double-click. I hate when a browser highlights on click, because that's not standard for basically any other application. It also makes editing a URL a bitch.
- rblinne, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I wish they port iChat for the simple reason is then I would be able to do the voice/video chat with the vast majority of people on Windows boxes. With the new features in Leopard where I could give presentations/share desktops it's Net Meeting buh-buy. In the same vein, sharing bookmarks, history etc. on the Windows Safari would be great. Apple needs Windows interoperability more than the other way around.
- IEatHamburgers, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@Lyanto: If the entire combined memory use of Safari amongst all Windows users (probably thousands) is only 1GB then it must be a very lightweight browser - which it isn't. What are you trying to say?
- 8270369, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I agree with the person who questions why Apple makes the Windows versions of iTunes and Safari look out-of-place with their UIs, specifically the chrome and widgets i.e. scroll bars, title bars, close/minimize/restore buttons (particularly ugly), drop-downs and the like -- at the very least they ought to make it possible to switch from theirs to a native-look chrome etc., and it's a huge mystery to me why they don't, but at the same time as with the OSX version I do appreciate it for its minimalism. However other than that I am enjoying the browser so far on all other counts, most especially the fact that text is far easier on the eyes than anything I've ever seen in Windows, including, oddly enough, iTunes for Windows. I came into this thinking "Oh jeez, yet another browser," but I'm quite enamoured by it and will likely continue using it.
A couple of oddities I've noticed:
1. You can't minimize from the taskbar. I assume this is a beta-related problem which will be fixed.
2. You can't resize from all corners, just the bottom right one. That's how it works in OSX however it's a convention they avoided in iTunes for Windows, and I'd have expected them to do the same in Safari, i.e. resizable from all corners. - r3zonance, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"As many people have pointed out, the number of downloads does not translate to the number of users."
In the same way that copies of Microsofts "Vista shipped" figures doesn't translate into users either. Microsofts "shipped" figures include all those to OEMs (that are still sat on their shelves) and all those new PCs sold with Vista but have XP re-installed.
Microsoft and Apple fans alike are both quick to defend their side of the camp and attack the other. We are just a little bit too blinded at times, and just don't want to admit, myself included on occasion. I slagged Vista left and right whilst it was in beta, but overall I'd have to say now that it is a nice experience and a step in the right direction for them, Kudos. - ashura001, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Firefox 3.0 alphas have been passing it for some time now.
- Jambi, on 10/11/2007, -14/+17Best internet browser? Ye gods, man... what have you been smoking? The thing has a so-so UI, wonky font rendering, and is buggy as hell. I'm an Apple fan (typing this on a Mac, in fact) but they seriously screwed the pooch on this one. I don't care if it is about iPhone support, that's no excuse for a shoddy piece of software, even if it is in beta.
- superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I would probably use it in Windows more often, if it syncronized with my .mac account and passwords and bookmarks I had on a Mac. Then I would probably use a mix of browsers.
Yes I know you can do that in Firefox as well, but I've never liked Firefox on a Mac (I should really try Camino again though, it's come a long way).
It is hard to beat Firefox on Windows... - dmustillo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Nice, I have yet to download it yet because I have my Firefox working the way I want. I wonder if they might release more Mac software on Windows to help with advertisement, 1 million downloads in 2 days sounds too tempting for them to pass up.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Its nice the Windows fanboys can finally get their piece. When Apple fanboys pointed out that Zunes shipped isn't the same as Zunes sold the Microsofties came out in droves to dispute it. Downloads are a hard number. No one said 1m people are still using it, but they did download it.
- allaboutdolph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Since MS pointed out that Xbox Live Marketplace hit a million downloads before the iTunes Music Store did (a completely ridiculous comparison since there is a lot of free content on the Marketplace and there's only pay-to-play stuff on iTMS), I'm going to draw a ridiculous comparison of my own. Safari hit 1 million downloads much faster than MS was able to sell 1 million Zunes! Oh noes!
- kethraal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"My guess is that they have a library that translates Cocoa into Win32"
They were (in the Rhapsody era) developing a Cocoa implementation for Win32 -- it was called Yellow Box. There were some incomplete tech demos/alphas floating around, but it was never as complete on Win32 as it was on Rhapsody.
I actually would be surprised if they had a Cocoa for Win32 implementation right now. iTunes isn't a Cocoa app, so Safari really is the first Cocoa app that they're porting to Windows. My guess is that they didn't really port Safari -- they simply cloned the shell for WebKit (which _has_ been cross-platform capable for quite some time). That would explain why there are UI bugs and a couple of security holes, yet no serious rendering problems (the blank text bug is a UI problem, not a page rendering problem.) - bamapachyderm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Or you could save $2000 and just use browsershots.org to see how websites look.
- cjwl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2There is no sign of Objective-C in any of it.
- Vermifax, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3'you cant polish a turd'
Someone should have told the Vista Marketing Dept. this.... -
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