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- jabba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21As I said before, this is a scam and they are spamming the board. There are already at least two people over at macnn formus who bought the damn thing and never received anything from them, not even an email. Openosx guys are doing this kind of scams forever. Now, if you want rate my comment as a flame again, you've been warned.
- jfpilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I noticed that they offer freebsd as one of their supported OS. Why on earth would you run freeBSD on an x86 emulator that runs in mac OS X that runs on a freeBSD core on a x86 chip?????
- pneuman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Indeed, Bochs does emulate, even on x86, unless there's been some major development that I missed. Perhaps they've updated it to be a frontend for QEMU instead? QEMU is streets ahead of Bochs in terms of usability, with dynamic recompliation along the lines of VPC and Rosetta (though not as fast as those, but still much faster than Bochs), and a virtualiser mode that provides near-native speed on x86 and AMD64. The virtualiser mode needs kernel-level support though, and that only exists for Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows right now.
If these guys have developed a version of the QEMU virtualiser support module for OS X, then perhaps that could explain the claimed near-native speed. QEMU on a Linux x86 box running Windows works pretty damn well, and is an excellent free alternative to VMware, though it's still not as fast or as nice. However, these guys just slap GUIs on or build installers for open-source apps and then charge money for them -- I seriously doubt they'd be able to write the virtualiser module. - t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is the same crappy software company that just rebrands things. It's bochs!
- gklinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Avoid this company. Why? Read this: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pr/openosx.php
- seanasy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm going to chime in with another "this company sucks." They simply repackage GPL other OSS software. They don't really add anything.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3O RLY?
how bout a free limited license for Digg users in exchange for advertising on our site. Then we'll try your software and rave about it if it is actually good! - ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Uhh... this is just bochs with a new interface.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't bochs emulate x86 in software? So wouldn't the emulation be slower (even on an x86) than virtual machine software like VMWare or VirtualPC? - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So, it is a virtualizer. Like VMware. VMware isn't anywhere close to native speed according to benchmarks.
The OSX kernel is opensource, right? Part of Darwin? Then couldn't OSX be ported to Xen, and then Xen be used to run OSX and WinXP at native speeds (OK, 97% native) on the same box (at the same time even)? - keevols, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i just *****' puked in my hands....
- lqqkout4elfy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OSX != freebsd.
- nextsteposx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Front page news! who wants to be met I am wrong?
- anarchy99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2 have a dual-booted WinXP MacOSX 10.4.3 ( the dev vers. that runs off of a BIOS).
According to the install docs here that I used, MacOSX needs to be on the 2nd partition.
Here is what I did to dual-boot on a BIOS PC:
1) Boot off of the OSX DVD
2) Go into the Disk Utility
3) Delete all of the partitions on the drive
4) Created 2 partitions. Since this PC had a 20Gig "C" drive and an 80Gig "D" drive, I created the following partitions on C:
a) The first Patition I set to "Free Space" under the MacOS Instal Disk Utility.
The 2nd partition I set to MAC Journaled
5) Wrote the partitions, and then exited the Disk Utility back to the normal OSX install
6) Installed OSX to the 2nd partition (Mac Journaled)
7) When the install was finished, but BEFORE rebooting, I put in the Windows install CD (in your case I believe that you HAVE to have a Vista install disc since you are doing this with the EFI version)
Of course, step 7 assumes that the PC can boot off of the DVD Drive - simple enough to setup in BIOS. I have no clue as to how it works in EFI
8) Windows install starts. The partitions I think were listed as
a) unpartitioned space
Partition-1 (unknown)
either that or they were:
a) Partition-1 (unknown)
Partition-2 (unknown)
or something like that. This is from memory.
Actually, I believe that they were listed like the first example. Then I formatted the 1st partition using NTFS (quick)
9) When it was done I believe that the partition tables were presented to me as something like
E: Partition-1 (unknown)
C: Partition-2 (unknown)
I hit F3 to exit the setup and reboot the computer. The PC Rebooted off of the WinXP CD. When it asked for which partition to install windows on, the partition table was *again* displayed as:
E: Partition-1 (unknown)
C: Partition-2 (unknown)
10) Once again I hit F3 to exit and reboot the PC. Again it booted off of the WinXP CD. THIS time the partitions read like so:
C: NTFS
E: Partition-2 (unknown)
IIRC. Why it took 2 reboots to get this I don't know. But it did, so there... :-)
11) SO, I installed windows on the FIRST partition.
12) XP finishes copying install files, and then the setup reboots. Upon rebooting it boots off of the WinXP CD, and continues on with the full WinXP install.
13) After the full install is done, I believe it puts you right into windows (very ugly cause there are no video drivers in place). On another CD I burned a copy of the video drivers for the MB and a copy of Acronis Disk Director Suite. I installed both.
14) I ran Acronis's OS Selector. It scanned my disks and found 2 bootable OSes. The first was WindowsXP and the 2nd was unknown, so I renamed it MacOSx86
15) Once you run Acronis OS Selector it installs a bootloader onto the PC (like Grub), only the Acronis bootloader gives you a graphical boot menu, and it has many more boot options (if you leave a bootable CD-Rom in the drive it will recognize it and add it to it's boot menu for that boot. If you have a FW drive attached that is bootable, OS Selector will recognize that as well, add a menu choice for it, and allow you to boot from that). So at this point I instaled the video drivers and rebooted.
Upon bootup I get the Acronis OS Selector GUI. From there I can boot into WinXP or MacOSX. Both OSes seem to perform very well. - chaosbuddha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I noticed that they offer freebsd as one of their supported OS. Why on earth would you run freeBSD on an x86 emulator that runs in mac OS X that runs on a freeBSD core on a x86 chip?????"
you know i dont speak spanish - kidjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd try it on my core duo imac, but i'm definitely not paying to see if it works.
- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bochs has been a bag of ***** for performance/compatibility since it's inception. What makes this fancy UI wrapper around it worth consideration?
- nextsteposx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone tried this on an Intel iMac?
- Tufriast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why would I ruin a perfectly good Mac by infecting it with a defective OS? Viruses, malware, spyware...whatever...this is one hack that proves itself useless. Windows runs on an x86 CPU...big shock...get Mac OS 10.3 to run on X86 out of the box. I'll be impressed then.
- FlappJaxXx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the question is.. why would you want to run windows on a Mac? Save some money, buy a cheap ass PC and run windows. Why spend the money on a nice mac just to taint it with windows? Not that I am anti MS or anything. I'm pretty sure there is a reason macs do not come with windows preinstalled. I don't personally own a mac but my next purchase of a computer is going to be a mac. I've messed with them some on and off and I like what I see so far. I've been a Linux/BSD user for some years now and it seems like the right thing to do. If you like to "tinker" with your computer, fine, install windows on your mac. If you like a Mac then why mess with it? I personally don't have enough friends who would be impressed with the fact I have windows installed on my Mac computer or vice-versa. I'm done tinkering with my computer, I just want a good computer that will give me some longevity as far as use and enjoying the computing experience.
- Snarfalunch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nearly Native Speed = Bloated and Dog Slow
- corsairstw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What do they mean by "nearly?"
- anarchy99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0my bad 10.4.4
still might work with Vista beta or MCE 2005 which have efi support - patricklynch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I go to a school where everyone is required to use certain Windows only applications. They don't work in Dar-WINE on ppc macs, I've tried. I think anyone who needs Windows for a few school or work related activities would jump at the chance to (legally and reliably) use OSX as their primary operating system and only boot up windows when required.
- InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MacMini's are only free once you've pimped out your referral links to everyone on earth.
No deal.
Also, this company sucks. Don't post them again. - meyerj88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"you know i dont speak spanish"
I'm Ron Burgandy? - MadChicken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Save the money, grab Q at http://www.kberg.ch/q/ It's a fabulous frontend for QEMU.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I know of people who have plucked down money for this software, but the company has yet to ship the product to them. Vaporware.
- nextsteposx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dup!!!! http://digg.com/apple/OpenOSX_ships_WinTel_2.0_for_Mactels
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2LAME LAME LAME LAME (c'mon everyone, sing it)
LAME LAME LAME LAME
LAME LAME LAME LAME
LAME LAME LAME LAME - dimplemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so let's see a video of this in action! Their PowerPC version of this wasn't the greatest. Perhaps they've figured it out with the Intel Macs?
- leviathan3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Reported as spam
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0someone had to say it..... (sorry)
.... natives...... - kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 Run Windows on an Athlon at actual speed.
- Narrator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why is everybody so hot and bothered to run windows on an Intel mac?
- Tezgno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OSX = Darwin = BSD
- falcyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OH NO WE R A REEL COMPENY!!
They also sell, and I quote, "Office for Mac OS X CD". Which is actually their ripoff of OpenOffice. But wow, that sure sounds like some Microsoft product I can't quite remember... - ronaldpoi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sorry but i'm really tired of read this on digg... no digg
- proidiot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why would anyone running osx on a mac want to run windows on it?
is it because macs are clearly built from the ground up to play games that run bust on the bucket-o-bolts win32 api? for that matter, honestly, who would use it?
(of course, other than a windoze script kiddie who wants to use his 1337 4pp5 on his 1337 1m4c)
aside from it being a rediculous thing not even worthy of posting on digg, 2 very big undiggs for the ad campaign - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, it looks like someone finally found a way to get a virus onto a Mac. You just have to install Windows.
- tracker1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just worth noting, is the newest version seems to be based on QEMU, not Bochs... Also, they seem to have done some tweaking with QEMU for performance reasons... not sure on performance, will probably go to a core duo macbook sometime next year... I personally feel the only reason MS wasn't ready with VPC, say 7.5 for mac, is they want to package their next VPC version with "Vista" for marketting... I wish VMWare would come up with a mac, likely intel only, binary package myself... Has anyone tried the QEMU builds for mac? this product may well be worth it though.
- bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Get this off the front page. I wouldn't give half a penny to this company who just rips off open source products for profit.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@jfpilon, "I noticed that they offer freebsd as one of their supported OS. Why on earth would you run freeBSD on an x86 emulator that runs in mac OS X that runs on a freeBSD core on a x86 chip?????"
My website runs on a FreeBSD box. For development, I use a virtual machine containing a mirror copy of that server so I don't have to reinstall LAMP everytime, restore a backup of my database, copy files, set up SVN etc etc etc. It's extremely useful for me. - optikburn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Macs are great machines.. why spoil it by installing crappy Windows?
- amigiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0-digg +reported as spam
- falcyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can you say CherryOS?
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Can you say CherryOS?"
You mean PearPC? - mr804, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1#1. Get ***** open source app
#2. Slap GUI on top
#3. Post on digg
#4 PROFIT!! - micha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also reported this as spam
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Mac mini's are free...
http://www.FreeMiniMacs.com/?r=13921027
http://www.macminis4free.com/default.aspx?r=168157 - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0let me be the first, well probably not the first...
who gives a *****..
the 10+ stories a day about macs running windows is boring, it was boring in the first story / rumor of it -
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