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- thinkdifferent, on 10/12/2007, -4/+59Anyone doing web development would.
Too bad it's so buggy though... would be a nice alternative to buying Parallels and a full Windows license for one app. - Threnody, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46Didn't I answer that in the description? Listen fanboys this is a GOOD THING. It makes it easier for web developers to switch, if need be. How can that be bad? Obviously nobody is going to use this for their day-to-day browsing.
- goorioles747, on 10/12/2007, -42/+68the real question is who wants to run IE6 in OSX
- Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Look, I hate Internet Explorer with a passion. I certainly don't use it when I don't have to. That doesn't change the fact that 90% of my site's visitors use it and my boss would be all over me (understandably from his position) if I ignored them. Life's a bitch, IE doubly so.
- Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@ atdigg
That's great for your personal blog or something, but for anyone that has to design a site that needs to make money or is intended for a larger audience, you'd be stupid not to design for IE6. Sad, but true.
And since many people aren't allowed/able to install another browser on their computer, you can't expect them all to change. - ani-pockdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Yes I would want it too for web dev. You can write code following the rules, but if IE doesn't render it correctly you have to compensate!
- thinkdifferent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Agreed, but there are still a lot of people out there using IE, so you still need to ensure stuff works there. Firefox is gaining, but IE is still the dominant browser.
Generally I build in Firefox or Safari with valid code & then put in the hacks needed to make it work in IE on a dedicated Windows machine. Being able to do this on the Mac would make development much easier. - jhunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10God damn the "HURR WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT LOL" is annoying. It's useful for web developers as previously stated, and some sites need IE to work properly. Usually when that happens I just go without using the site, but if it's for something important like taxes or banking or something that isn't always possible or convenient.
- kiddailey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@darkclarity: check out this site (previously dugg). You type in a URL, it renders the page in Safari and spits out a PNG of what it looks like for you: http://www.snugtech.com/safaritest/
... hmmm, it appears down at the moment though. - speedyrev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8OK, I understand the developer angle. But the first line said "a bit buggy". If it's buggy, it's useless to developers. Of course, it's buggy running in Windows too.
- dillboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Funny, I read this headline and the body of the next story.
"A little-known mental disorder marked by episodes of unwarranted anger..." - darkclarity, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It would be nice to run Safari on Windows too. I often get complaints that pages that render perfectly in IE, Opera and Firefox on Windows and on Linux (excluding IE) that are apparently badly messed up in Safari but can't test them unless I buy into Apple stuff.
I can understand the other way around, IE can be horrible at times. For example, if you use styled fieldsets and legends IE will randomly display the ends of sentences elsewhere in the page, it's the sort of bug you must check IE for and add extra white space at the end of sentences to stop it doing it on a case by case basis. - Xoligy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not developing for MSIE would be the equivalent to telling 90% of your customers to buy from somewhere else. Good luck.
- MatthewWilkes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Excellent. We use Macs to do our webdev, with a windows laptop and a 12" powerbook with VMware to do the IE testing. This would be a lot easier, as at the end of a dev cycle everyone wants the laptop and the powerbook is the personal computer of a director.
By the way, it's government work, it needs to work on pretty much anything (we had to support IE3+ once). - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Cool, now can someone get the Bonzi Buddy to run using WINE too?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Flash is a pain in the butt for a client to be able to update. Also, it seems too rigid, in that paragraphs can't scroll down the page, but are confined in some box within the flash window.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If your business is successful enough that you can afford to tell 85% of your customers to get lost, then you are to be congratulated. That's what failing to design for IE properly is basically doing.
It's not something web designers enjoy or even want to do, but when 85% of the audience use it, you have no choice. - HereComeTheBugs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just look at the picture, it cant even display the text on google's main page correctly -- look at the bottom "Advertising Programs - Business Solutions" is all screwed up.
At it's current stage (with all the bugs) it's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY USELESS. How could you even begin to trust what it's displaying??? This is NOT a good way to test your site on IE......... - arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Websites done entirely in flash are bloody annoying.
- smokeyghetto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5there is a choice. People use IE becuase they dont know any better. Let them know.
Now is the time to let 85% of your customers know that IE is not the best way to browse. You dont have to tell them to get lost, just tell them on the splash page that " this site is optimized for (fill in the browser)"
Do the world a favor and start writing for the new coming standard (non - microsoft). - sdquirk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Nevermind, I'm the one that misread it!
- joerod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2for the most part i would say why would anyone in their right mind want this. but for me, it would actually be usefull. I can only log into my terminal server from work with IE and I only have a Mac.
- Newtylicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not sure what's inaccurate. No one anywhere has been trying to hide the fact that it uses WINE. The title clearly states it uses WINE too.
So uh, what's inaccurate again? - troublemaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"..but useful for those aspiring web designers"
NO! That's exactly what it NOT is! IE is breaking standards and should be avoided at all cost! - ZekeSulastin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5So that someone who develops something that is more important to more people than a blog online can ensure that the greatest number of people can properly use their business.
Oh wait, I forgot, many people here are against any form of money-making involving computers. My mistake. - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you misread the title, like I did to start with ;) It says "without windows, not "without using wine". I made the same mistake.
- mrhaines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, and America Online!
- gfors, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ darkclarity
i think if you run konqueror on winnoes and test in that you may have fewer safari surprises.
-gf - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Eh? What are you on about? Since when do you 'base' a web site on IE? What has Office got to do with IE? Since when has IE had control over the code on my webpage?
What I'm trying to say is: what the ***** are you talking about? - ronaldpoi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you people can't see the problem. I'm a webdeveloper, and no matter what i told my clients last meeting, they keep using Internet Explorer. Probably the person who i talk with switched to Firefox, but the secretary is still using IE, and i HAVE to make my sites cross-browser. Yes, IE sucks, but i think IE users sucks even more... i work for them, not for the browser, but the people... I have a beautiful Mac but i still need the stupid IE to test my sites... that's why is important. We wont surf the internet with IE, we will test our sites with it, just that...
- dchesterton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Awww... Someone doesn't have a clue about web design. It doesn't take too much tinkering to get a site working in IE once you know the common problems, bugs and pitfalls. Flash is really not an alternative for most websites, whatever you say it's still difficult to update, unreadable by screen-readers and unreadable by search engines. Try selling that to a client.
- jeshjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2umm.. wrong digg?
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5could you get off your dumb-ass and do your own research? thanks
- iruel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i use my ie tab in firefox for web dev testing. that way i never have to open ie for real.
- mpeters13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1did anyone else get this to work? I have all of the dependencies except for gettext. i can't get it to install
- SteaminTmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@atdigg & thespace:
Hey, would you guys mind emailing my boss and telling him that ? Or I'll just explain to the clients how terrible IE6 is, and that by not coding with IE6 in mind, we're actually making a statement against the tyranny of MS!
Honestly though, I dont know one web developer that actually likes IE6, I know in my life it's a constant headache and the source of hours of frustration. But, this would make life a hell of a lot easier., not having to switch btwn machines to test sites. - s360, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the point here is on WINE, not the poor IE6. It showed what WINE can do on OS X now. And with WINE we will be able to get a lot of Windows stuffs running natively on OS X, without Parallel.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anyone have a copy of screenshot? (Imageshack has blocked it)
- pintong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This was stated earlier, but it's almost completely unusable in its current state. We use IE to see how a page renders, and this can't even render Google correctly.
- fakesman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1smokeyghetto - I had the same attitude, and when you're working for yourself and making webpages for a technology savvy audience, it's certainly an option. But when you're talking to a client and they're asking you why the site they're paying you for looks effed up on your staging server, the last thing they want to hear is, "well, it renders correctly in Firefox, you should use a standards-compliant browser."
- int19h, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My point here is that all such statistics are incredibly fuzzy, not that I want other people to do my research, so don't be so quick as to call me a dumbass.
- borbzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Has anyone had any luck getting this running on a G5? I know IE6 is x86 native, but I'm not sure if WINE works on PPC machines. I would love to install this for testing purposes.
- xportz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because the Internet has become commercialized, and corporate sites must cater to the masses, namely, IE users. Designing a commercial site using standards would spell disaster. It is sad, but true.
- slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes. Of course.
Never mind that:
- a want ad PC is going to be an eyesore
- a used PC will likely run Windows slower than Parallels on all Intel Macs other than the core solo Mini
- you have to buy a KVM
- the extra footprint of the PC
- the noise that a PC generates (now that I've switched back to Mac desktops, my office is extremely quiet)
- the extra electricity used up by a PC
- Windoze license cost aside, 40-50 bucks for Parallels vs. the cost of a used PC and KVM...
Great idea. I think I'm going to scour ebay for a new PC to run IE right now. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3IE is a horrible browser to base your Web Design on. It bloats your code up to at 2x the normal size.
This is to allow your code to easily be imported into Microsoft Orface so it can understand your code.
You want to use a NON-Microsoft browser to base your code on. Unfortunately the corporate world has
been brainwashed into using Internet Explorer with Active X for all its web use. - slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, but what about all of those web sites that are poorly designed and dependent on IE. What if those sites provide a service/product that you absolutely need and don't support the browser you like? You might be able to boycott a store that has an IE only interface, but if you need to do something online related to your government or professional association you might belong to, you're kinda stuck with IE.
- helfire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The spyware couldnt run unless wine ran it, so just killall wine and your spyware is gone (if it even could run in wine). And it would only affect the virtual wine part, it wouldnt know about the rest of the system.
- smokeyghetto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The revolution must start somewhere, otherwise you will be reinforcing the brainwashing and monopoly that microsoft has forced upon corporate america.
Corporate america will follow once they realize that the majority doesnt use IE (very soon) then they will be forced to spend great deals of money to revamp becuase a designer/web company didnt tell them what what coming down the pipeline.
Suites are dumb and technology is beyond the average guy saying we need a website. - slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because the people who commission web applications are idiots, and the consulting shops who do the work are too dumb to give them good advice.
Example: The Canadian web site where you can fill in your passport application online "supports Safari 2.0 and higher", yet when you log in with a Mac using the latest software update, you're told that your browser doesn't meet the minimum requirements. Basically, you can go through the entire process and find out your browser isn't compliant when you want to generate your application. Nice, eh? - StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2now they put intel in macs, now theres ie6! what is the world coming to?!
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