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- betterth, on 11/15/2007, -2/+16Word 08 crashing in Leopard? Considering this team was reviewing a beta copy, you're using software obtained before it's intended release, and is expected (and was found to be) buggy.
- JaceMO, on 11/15/2007, -1/+10I was using Pages for a while until it crashed after an hours worth of work. That's when I found out it doesn't have autosave! Back to Word now...
- betterth, on 11/15/2007, -2/+11Agreed. I hate to sound like a fanboy but Word 07 is just gorgeous. It loads incredibly fast on my Vista box and is just miles and miles ahead of anything else I've ever seen. ^_^;;
- dyranios2, on 11/15/2007, -2/+10What are you talking about? Pages underlines words not found in it's dictionary, am I missing something?
- madmage, on 11/15/2007, -1/+9Leopard has system wide Grammar correction, and a system wide dictionary.
If I add "Barack" as a word in safari, it'll remember it in Pages, and visa-versa.
That's much more useful then anything I've seen in Word. - Everglow, on 11/15/2007, -4/+12But until Pages catches up in regards to grammar and spelling correction, I won't be using it for any projects anytime soon.
- krolls, on 11/15/2007, -0/+7Yes Auto-save is a must
- macpro2006, on 11/15/2007, -5/+12I really hate Word but I give props to Microsoft for the design
- Kazbaeden, on 11/15/2007, -2/+8On Vista, Word 2007 takes less than a second to load, but I don't know how much of that is due to superfetch, so I don't know how that will translate to OSX.
- yikiad, on 11/15/2007, -4/+10i use pages just because it's so easy to use. word is a great program, but there's just so much stuff i would never use.
- ariez84, on 11/15/2007, -1/+7And theres no reason to write MS as M$, this isnt 1994 anymore.
- cityscape, on 08/01/2008, -0/+4I am looking forward to Office 2008 for one reason and one reason only... a native version of Entourage. Since I use a Mac at work, I am forced to use Entourage to connect to Microsoft Exchange 2003. Running it in Rosetta is painful, the new Entourage is a decent improvement but I was hoping for many of Outlooks features but what we got was a prettier Entourage 2004 that runs native to OS X.
- BossKey, on 11/15/2007, -1/+5You need to get into the habit of pressing Command-S when you're not doing anything.
I mean, good lord, not saving for a whole hour? - MacEnvy, on 11/15/2007, -0/+4So you think the basis of their business model is too "greedy"? If they let the OS run on any hardware, they would lose their primary source of revenue - hardware sales.
You could always make your own "hackintosh". Lots of folks do it with commodity PC hardware. Google is your friend on this one. - natenovs, on 11/15/2007, -2/+6like pdf, open xml, and odf (with the sun plug in)??
your argument is tired and old. - sammykeyes, on 11/15/2007, -5/+9I still kind of like Word 04' though. I mean, it just really works awesome for me. Never had a problem with it. It did what a word processor is meant to do.
I still think Word 07' is still the best word processor ever though. - garbs, on 11/15/2007, -4/+8I suppose you've never made a typo?
- luchid, on 11/15/2007, -1/+4As someone said above, you can use bookends for that and ditch Office: http://osx.iusethis.com/app/bookends
- kelly, on 11/15/2007, -2/+5Leopard has included system wide spelling and grammar checking. I've seen no reason to believe its sub-par to what's provided with MS office
- dmporter74, on 11/15/2007, -6/+9i have been doing many projects lately with the old version of Microsoft for Mac. Only because I HAD to. Now i am doing a project with Pages 3.0 and it is so much smoother. I also have had a problem lately with Word 08 Crashing in leopard. Anyone else have this problem??
- Bob042, on 11/15/2007, -0/+3This happened to me also. I was typing up an assignment and hadn't saved (yes, stupid), but then when I clicked Save As, it froze. I left it for a good 20 minutes, Couldn't even take a screenshot of the thing. So i had to force quit, and away it went. That aside, I do like pages, this incident has made me a bit wary though.
- jjjjjjb, on 11/15/2007, -1/+4That bibliography tool in the new version of Word looks fabulous.
It's going to make life so much easier, much accurate and more efficient for uni students and writers of academic papers.
I wonder if it will include an 'import' option - online journals and websites could provide the data for an article to save having to retype it (and thus reducing errors in citation). - mediaphile, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3Until they build a Mac version of OneNote, I'll still be using Office 2007 in Windows on my Macbook. Crucial for taking notes in class. Office 2008 for Mac looks great, but I use OneNote more than any other program in the suite, and I have no idea why they don't have a Mac offering yet. There's a huge student market there; I'd estimate that roughly 3/4 of the notebooks I see people with at my school are Macs. At least Windows runs fantastically on my Macbook.
- chroko, on 11/15/2007, -0/+2Interesting. I'll have to give that a try.
- inactive, on 11/16/2007, -0/+2Attention Mactards who replied to me; I was lampooning their marketing campaign.
- mediaphile, on 11/15/2007, -0/+2It's easy to make a typo. It's just as easy to proof read, which one should do regardless of the quality of spelling and grammar check.
- HerrEisenheim, on 11/15/2007, -2/+4Use WriteRoom.
- betterth, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3The article directly talks about the move to a universal binary and the greatly improved performance. RTF article.
- chrislee149, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3"Bean is not a replacement for MS Word. It does not do footnotes or hierarchical styles. Further, it is only partially compatible with MS Word's .doc format (more about that here)."
- Benad, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3OmniOutliner?
- BossKey, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3How's the change tracking/version control in Bean?
Oh. - ariez84, on 11/15/2007, -0/+2Is this moron serious?
- Kazbaeden, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3"Bean doesn't do footnotes, customized headers and footers, columns, pre-defined text styles, floating graphics"
Yeah, no reason to use Word at all. - inactive, on 11/15/2007, -2/+4But Macs are for creative stuff, like music, and movies! :o
- KnightWhoSaysNi, on 11/15/2007, -1/+3Not in my machine. There it takes a good 5-10 seconds.
- kinseyincanada, on 11/15/2007, -5/+6does office still take a grueling long time to load?
- hackeron, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1I use omnioutliner to collect all my research, I then collapse all the sources and copy them to my bibliography section that just lists all my sources. Other than that, I mention each source on the page itself in italic text in brackets.
I haven't tried the word bibliography feature, but from what I've read in the manual, seems like jumping through hoops to do something fairly simple - what does it allow you to do than using omnioutliner to manage your research doesn't? - SteveMax, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1Nothing can touch Emacs/vi+LaTeX+BibTeX for academic work.
- FDDIcent, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the suggestion, but this is a feature that Pages really should have, for now I stick to word unless it's something simple.
- quantumHobbit, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1Just like with Word, there is always the option to save in an older more compatible format.
- overkilpro, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1We usually don't think it's brand new when its been on the PC for a while. It's just that some of us get excited to finally have certain applications ported over.
- stalefries, on 11/15/2007, -2/+3I also have to recommend Writeroom. You can download the 1.0 version for free (it's at 2.x now, which is shareware). It's a fullscreen editor, with almost no options. I think you can do Cmd+B for bold and stuff like that. Otherwise, it's very low on the frills. Write your paper in that, and then copy-paste to Pages to do all the fancy formatting. Not only can you pick the background color and stuff, it'll increase your productivity by cutting down on distractions.
- hackeron, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Pages is kind of like CSS for HTML. If you notice, you didnt even have a formatting bar in the tiger version, you create styles and apply them to elements on the page - this allows you to quickly and easily change the look and feel of your document.
So with that in mind, I wouldn't call it much of a text processor, for no distraction text typing, I find word pretty poor too. - wounsel, on 11/15/2007, -2/+3Open Office FTW
- hackeron, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Mac follows the unix philosophy quite well - 1 tool for the job, easy import/export between applications (basically drag/drop) and some special case interoperation options.
Myself,
1) I layout everything with detailed notes and tables in omnigraffle
2) I then import to omniplan to try to give myself a rough idea how long to work on each part - it shows a great actual vs baseline.
3) Then I import to omnioutliner to collect my research.
4) Writeroom to do no distraction writing.
5) Pages to make my document look stunning.
I'm trying microsoft office now, and I like some things, the word art looks better now and could be useful - something pages lacks, but really office just seems bloated to me: does so many things I don't want a word processor to do. Maybe I don't get it, but I still don't think an email client should handle your calendaring and project management either. - hackeron, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Neooffice you mean? - Openoffice requires Apple X11 to run and doesn't really feel right on a Mac.
- kelly, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1I had some bad crashing problems with Adobe CS3 and Leopard. The crashing always seemed to happen when the apps started to load the fonts. I concluded that I had some corrupt fonts. I opened up OS X's font book app, clicked on the "all fonts" list, Command A, then choose file/validate fonts. It turned out I did have some corrupt fonts. I deleted them, restarted and haven't had an app crash since.
Perhaps this would fix the problem you're experiencing. - chroko, on 11/15/2007, -2/+3Word's "outline" mode is a killer feature, and allows it to be used as a serious writing tool. It is simple, intuitive - and is great for complicated documents.
Pages is useless without an outline mode. Yeah, sure, it might be good for page layout. But you have to actually *write* your content first - and Pages doesn't help. The icon is ironic (pen + ink implies that it's a writing tool - it isn't).
(And the OpenOffice interpretation of outlining is also completely useless). - hackeron, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1Maybe as a spreadsheet it's lacking, but I find it quite exceptional for taking my boring, ugly neooffice/openoffice documents and making them look sexy ;)
- DigitalDaiquiri, on 11/15/2007, -1/+2The latest version of NeoOffice looks beautiful. Oddly enough however I do not believe that they have automatic update software for NeoOffice, so you have to download patches via their website to get the new icons, and overall look. I must say that I hadn't updated NeoOffice for over a year, and was quite surprised when I saw how nice it appeared after a new friend downloaded it for the first time recently. I just hope that when the native port of OpenOffice.org comes to Mac that they utilize all of the beautiful artwork that NeoOffice has incorporated into their software as of late.
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