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- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -6/+47Psystar is opening a can of *****, love it.
- trestevenson, on 11/24/2008, -2/+36Why the hell is Nicolas Sarkozy depicted in this article?
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -14/+28They probably wouldn't want a record of all the:
"I hate my job. Someone, anyone, please kill me. See enclosed cubicle map..."
"Why the ***** would anyone buy this ***** when you can download a better OS for free? And at half the price hardware-wise.... See you guys later, I quit!"
I digress. - inactive, on 11/24/2008, -0/+13I'm not a lawyer, or anything, so if I'm misinterpreting this, please correct me. It was my understanding that the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 would require Apple as (a publicly traded company) to maintain electronic communications for a period of 5 years. This would include e-mail.
It's my guess that they probably don't care what the employee does with an e-mail after they read it because there would be a record of the e-mail on the server. In theory, they should have some kind of backup system on their mail server, at least for DR. If they are not, I would think they would be criminally negligent, per SOX. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but here's a link for a synopsis of the law: http://searchcio.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid ... - synergye, on 11/24/2008, -0/+12With the comments above me, I'm only waiting for this comment thread to turn into a complete flame-war.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -1/+12snarky comments from a linux dork, ***** YEAH!
- h3110, on 11/24/2008, -5/+16Apple sees Psystar as a great threat. They are not worried about Psystar taking away some sales. Instead, they are scared that other companies will try to copy Psystar and eventually Mac OS will be too open like Windows.
To the consumer, Psystar is good because it allows more competition which results in lower prices. To Apple, it is a big threat. As you may know, Apple depends on selling their own stuff or making commission off other (ex. iPhone apps). Their iTunes, App store, cables, etc. are all significant revenue for Apple. Selling their own computers is a huge revenue source. Allowing other companies to build computers that work with with Mac OS will force them to share their revenue with other companies. That's good because it pushes Apple to create better products.
If Mac OS can be like Windows or Linux where it can be installed on any computer, that will be a great benefit to consumers. It will allow for more hardware support like Windows and more people will switch to Mac (for more competition between Windows & Mac). - firstpost, on 11/24/2008, -0/+10And why is that?
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -5/+14Working in a law firm...
Yes companies are supposed to keep backups of their email for about a year. Its not written in stone, but for Apple not too... that's very shady. Apple might just get sanctioned and hard for not keeping up with common computer practices.
But then again, Apple has never really had a foothold in the business world, I guess their policies arent in that realm either!
Very simple:
Retain recent 5 days, keep 1
Retain recent 1 day of each week for last month, keep 1
Retain recent 1 day for each month, ( at least keep 1 per year as permanent archive).
Very simple and very easy! - dig1x, on 11/24/2008, -1/+7Its funny that this thread has people talking about hows Jobs had "entire floor layouts changed to promote face-to-face communication, because he doenst like email". and other such non sequitor nonsense.
Perhaps you've heard of Sarbanes Oxley? - centerblack, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6It doesn't in the general sense, only if those internal documents are related to something that the company expects to experience litigation over.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -4/+10I use Windows. I am a Wingeek. Yes. That has a nice ring to it.
- I1969, on 11/24/2008, -3/+9What about xsan, xserve?
- dig1x, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6You're legally required to produce the records, up to 5 years old.
So, unless you're going to have your legal team review all the records, then you need to retain them. - newbill123, on 11/24/2008, -4/+10I can imagine that if Steve Jobs has entire layouts of buildings re-designed to promote more face to face interaction (which he did when he returned to Apple), that he also does not treat email as a primary means of communication when something big arises.
- dig1x, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6You win the thread.
- andydumi, on 11/24/2008, -1/+6The law says that you have to preserve all possible evidence. There is employment law, contract law and a ton of other stuff that may cover this type of behavior directly or indirectly.
- jlgolson, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5Because he's holding paperwork and has a funny expression on his face.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5I am pretty sure that actor is in his 20s not teens.
- centerblack, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4Pystars counter suit has already been dismissed.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/11/18/psystar.cou ... - MacPPC, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5Plus I bet all those identified people had Time Machine activated :) That's Apple's retention policy
- mrBitch, on 11/25/2008, -1/+5There is no such thing as a geek who uses only Windows. You are a Windows user, hence, by definition : you are NOT a geek.
- tnoy, on 11/25/2008, -1/+5*****, its just e-mail. Its a small hit to the storage needs of a company as large as Apple.
Even assuming an average email being 25kB, 20 emails a day for 5 years, at 20k employees thats only ~18TB of storage. Hell, you can get 48TB in a 4U rack from Sun for as little as ~$60k now (though, you'd likely only have 24TB of usable storage one you've set up proper RAID.) Apple is going to spend far more than that on electricity every month in their data centers. Expensive to the average consumer? Sure. Expensive to the enterprise market? Hardly. Storage is rather ***** cheap right now.
My department is _several_ orders of magnitude smaller than Apple is, yet we're able to maintain a couple hundred terabytes of on-line storage--lord knows how much we have archived on tape. - MacParrot, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4you < anyone with a brain
- HappyScrappy, on 11/25/2008, -0/+3The law says you have to preserve everything which might be evidence in an ongoing lawsuit. There's no law that says you have to preserve stuff just in case there is a lawsuit in the future.
If Apple threw out information without intention of hiding it and before there was a lawsuit, they did nothing wrong. - HappyScrappy, on 11/25/2008, -0/+320 emails a day? This isn't 1999.
- dig1x, on 11/24/2008, -1/+4Having a SAN rack and rack-mounted server do not make you "enterprise class".
Sheesh. - inactive, on 11/25/2008, -0/+3Because he is french.
- inactive, on 11/25/2008, -1/+4@MostPeopleInThisThread - Douchebags much? Simply being an Apple hater or regurgitating the same old anti-Apple propaganda isn't cool anymore.
I'm guessing the U.S. Army and Virginia Tech are a bunch of idiots? Plus, this was a while ago. The Xserve has only improved and gotten faster over the years.
"The HMT team, headed by senior scientist Dr. John Medeiros, now has access to one of the world’s largest and most powerful computers: a supercluster of 1,566 64-bit, dual-processor Apple Xserve G5 servers."
"Virginia Tech gained international honors for building the fastest supercomputer at any academic institution in the world. And they did it using Power Mac G5s. From that milestone, Virginia Tech has moved ahead again with System X, a new cluster using 1,100 Xserve G5s.
Ranking seventh in the Top 500 list of the world’s most powerful computer systems, System X was built at a fifth of the cost of the second-least expensive system in the top 10." - mrBitch, on 11/25/2008, -0/+3Actually, Sarbanes Oxley only pertains to financial records. Only emails pertaining to financial records need to be kept.
- mrBitch, on 11/25/2008, -0/+3@centerblack RE: " The Mac side of Apple earns its profits mainly by selling hardware, not Mac OS X. The price of the OS is based on the assumption that the end user has bought Apple hardware. If that assumption is no longer valid, expect the price of Mac OS X to rise. "
Bingo! We have a winner! - andydumi, on 11/24/2008, -3/+6The point is to keep the email when you do use it.
- t0ny, on 11/24/2008, -2/+5Show me one consumer who would buy this. http://www.apple.com/xsan/ or this http://www.apple.com/xserve/
- Laytonx, on 11/24/2008, -5/+7How dare a company like Apple try to control both there hardware and software. Whats next, a free market?
- kingfoot, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2lol?
- centerblack, on 11/24/2008, -3/+5From the article:
"Apple claims in the Psystar document that its policy is fine because once the company anticipated litigation:
[Apple] identified a group of employees who could potentially have documents relevant to the issues reasonably evident in this action. Apple then provided those individuals with a document retention notice which included a request for the retention of any relevant documents."
and
"Psystar's antitrust claim has been dismissed" - mrBitch, on 11/25/2008, -0/+2@Fred RE: " The only reason why Mac OS works so well is because Apple controls the hardware it's sold on. "
Correct, and that is why for Apple to "win", Microsoft does NOT have to "lose" (since MS is a software company with a few hardware side lines such as Zune and XBOX... while Apple is a hardware company, with a few software side lines such as iWork... ) - cam0man, on 11/24/2008, -7/+9apple does NOT sell enterprise level hardware OR software. Consumer? Of course. Commercial? You could say that. Enterprise? Haha....no.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -11/+13PC: "Dude, I got fired for parking in Steve Jobs spot."
Mac "Oh really? Why would you do that?"
PC "It was marked handicap. Thus the wheel chair."
Mac "Oh! That's what they make those for! Steve Jobs' parking!"
PC "No, no no. They make them for people who are disabled."
Mac "You need to start 'thinking different'!"/"Why would you need that?" - A11YND, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3Why are you being dugg down?
- Elranzer, on 11/25/2008, -0/+2He uses Linux. He's said too much to prove he's a geek, and all geeks use Linux. He's a closeted Linux user.
Takes one to spot one, I know. :-) - dig1x, on 11/24/2008, -2/+4"has sold enterprise-class storage hardware and software for years"
No. - mstrebe, on 11/25/2008, -0/+2*****. there's no such thing as a single email retention policy that is appropriate for every company. Yes, it's stupid that Apple doesn't have one at all, but email retention policies vary dramatically by the character of a company. If you are more likely to be sued than to sue, you shouldn't keep email or any backup copies of it permanently at all unless you are on legal hold because suit has been filed (in which case you have to keep email until the suit is resolved--at which point it should be promptly deleted).
The point of having a policy is to explain to the judge that you don't keep email permanently as a matter of routine operation so the prosecution/plaintiff can't accuse you of deliberately deleting email related to the case at hand. Any lawyer who would blindly advise clients to keep a copy of all email permanently is a blithering idiot. - Virgule, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3I called Apple last year or so. I had hope to retrieve some valuable email correspondences.. The secretary affirmed to me that Apple keep all correspondences, email included, since 1984. Of course mine were nowhere to be found even after I provided very specific keywords and addresses to look for. It appears to me Apple practice selective archiving..
- SniperGX1, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3Massive data retention is very expensive. You keep what you are legally required to and nothing more. Data generated by thousands of employees is much larger than anything you produce at home.
- FredFredrickson, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3I don't know, but he shouldn't be. The only reason why Mac OS works so well is because Apple controls the hardware it's sold on. The moment third parties can step in and start selling it on whatever hardware they can mash together, it's going to be bug-tastic.
- HappyScrappy, on 11/25/2008, -0/+2As mentioned in the article you posted, this only covers the financial portion of the corporation. Financial-related emails must be kept for 5 years. Are the emails in question financial or just about R&D?
- mw113, on 11/25/2008, -1/+3They're probably testing out Exchange =P
- FredFredrickson, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3When the public has some stake in the outcome (it's a publicly traded company, after all), the company owes it to them to keep records of what happens so they can hold people accountable when problems arise.
- mrBitch, on 11/25/2008, -0/+2+1 for :
"Virginia Tech gained international honors for building the fastest supercomputer at any academic institution in the world. And they did it using Power Mac G5s. From that milestone, Virginia Tech has moved ahead again with System X, a new cluster using 1,100 Xserve G5s.
Ranking seventh in the Top 500 list of the world’s most powerful computer systems, System X was built at a fifth of the cost of the second-least expensive system in the top 10." -
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