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- jdtanner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+57However, AppleScript support is included/improved...this is a Mac version afterall ;-)
- frobozz0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55You mean the trojan horse for most all Mac virus to date is being closed down? Oh, damn.
Sorry, I'm playing devil's advocate, but losing VBScript to gain AppleScript support is a good thing. Although I have no information one way or the other, I would surmise the Macros engine might run under AppleScript instead. Perhaps a translator for VB to AS ? - ickusslime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Actually they are dropping support for VB script. Im not sure that eliminates Macros.
http://www.macworld.com/2006/12/opinion/microsoft/ - treo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+34so it looks now all like that: http://www.mcescher.nl/Gallery/back-bmp/LW389.jpg ?
Then, yay for userfriendlyness - EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Am I the only one scared ***** of macros?
- Radar3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24http://www.microsoft.com/careers/
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22WTF is going on with the mirror sites lately... they all seem to be as useless as the sites their supposed to be caching.
- jzillan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24here is a mirror for ya'll http://duggmirror.com//apple/Office_2008_for_Mac_hits_beta_Escher_UI_revealed/plain.html
- MrJonnyPantz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25But the Macros are written in VB
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Given that it is an "internal beta", I would guess no.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17It's iWork BTW :)
I use iWork when I need fancy looking stuff, because face it, Keynote is hella better than Powerpoint in terms of style. So is Pages compared to Word. - HAKdragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I would love to switch to NeoOffice (I use OpenOffice on Windows), but damn if it isn't slow as hell on my iBook.
- etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I started using Pages and Keynote this past year and I have loved them. The interface is out of the way allowing me to easily create pretty much anything I want. My mom even made a cool newsletter using it. Hopefully iLife 07 will have a spreadsheet application. Then I can kiss MS goodbye forever. Tchau!
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15damn duggmirror is getting slow.
- cheesefan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Mmmmm, Universal Binary. Excellent news. Hope I can get in on the beta.
- esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17yeah, they might as well have named it MS Office 2008 YOU"RE ***** CONFUSED Edition...
- monosyth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14here, there are tons:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=betta+fish&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 - saska, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15So the Apple defaults make you feel like you're in preschool, is what you're saying?
- bhorst, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15And NeoOffice 2.1 lets you read the ".docx" format long before Microsoft's own product (on the Mac) is able to do so!
Now, actually wanting to use that format is another story. The more ground that ODF gains over docx, the better for everyone.
Luckily, it looks like ODF is going to be the default next-generation file format instead of the MSOOXML formats, with the pace that governments and businesses around the world (but mostly outside the USA) are adopting it. - lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -22/+32The problem with Mac Office 2008 is that it drops support for macros. All the polish in the world is worthless if it drops features you need
- Veight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12That looks pretty good. I liked the Mac Office 2004 interface but ever since I got Office 2007 on my desktop, it has been ruined for me. This is definitely a step in the right direction. I do most of my Office stuff on my Mac anyway so I'm actually really excited for something that's not running in Rosetta and has a decent interface. I just hope they get it out quick so I can get it for $20 from work while I still work where I do.
- zodieman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Office for Mac is OK but that horrid stillborn Entourage is a joke! Exchange support is pretty bad. They should have ported Outlook 2001 to OS X and worked on that instead. This whole thing of trying to sync exclusively via OWA is just plain stupid. Give us native MAPI support for crying out loud!
- Koyder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Anyone got a mirror of the Duggmirror site?
- serpicolugnut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It's a closed beta. Microsoft has never done an open beta for Mac Office.
- SomeManbeapig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Heres a link that actually works.. for now. http://www.tuaw.com/photos/office-2008-for-the-mac-screenshots/
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Any macro/script is inherently easily translatable into any other macro/script. If the Mac product is dropping VB scripts, then expect that there will be a conversion tool. Since scripts are interpretable (and not compiled into machine languages) largely the language of the script is of no consequence. AppleScripts have a long history of proven ease of use, and I am sure this also means Office will have OS-X Automator integration. The only downside is that people used to VB scripts will have to learn how to use AppleScripts to write new macros, but then, people that write VB scripts probably use the PC Office and could care less about Mac products, and people that use Mac Office probably prefer and use AppleScripts and care less to VB.
- jaydoj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11ALL I WANT TO DO IS CREATE A NEW WORD DOCUMENT, ARRRRRGH WHY ARE THE STAIRS UPSIDE DOWN, STUPID OFFICE FOR MAC!!!!!
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"...which sits on the desktop but can be hidden and revealed using the Ctrl+spacebar key combo"
The "MyDay" window is stupid. Make it a widget. - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"He said that he has tested Entourage and quite frankly it is terrible as an Outlook replacement."
Agreed. I bought several copies for people in my office who wanted to use it, but since you cannot see Contact or Task folders in Entourage, it is useless.
I use Mail, iCal and Address Book combo. Apple needs better integtration between these three apps. The address book pane in Mail is nice, but Mail needs an iCal pane. That way you could add a task, it automatically goes to iCal, emails the recipients, and a Smart folder stores all items set up as Tasks. And another Smart folder for ToDos. So ToDos, Tasks and Events that would show up in the left nav, and the ability to create these items directly in Mail, and have the system integrated to put them in their proper place.
I would like to see OpenDirectory, iCal server, Mail server and Address Book server on the upcoming Leopard servers. Then companies could ditch Exchange and Client Access Licenses (CALs), which cost a butt load of money. Is that really too much to ask?
Apple better do it before some third party builds a RubyonRails app to do all of this. - cmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Is it just me or Microsoft still doesn't get Mac apps? The new "MyDay" app should be a widget and NOT a regular app in my opinion.
- chadseld, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7VBA Scripting in the Mac version of office has not been compatible with the PC version for some time now. The compatibility was broken years ago.
- nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 "Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'm never gonna know because I'm not gonna eat (it)."
"it"?
I think you mean "the filthy *****."
You don't deserve to quote Pulp Fiction if you have to censor it. - neondiet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7
I'm just hoping Apple do some performance tuning on Pages for the next version. I've tried using it as a replacement for Word and it's very nice ( if limited ) but it munches more CPU than MS Word and NeoOffice combined. That's astonishing considering the former runs under emulation (rosetta) and the latter makes use of Java.
When Office 2008 ships it's going to be a Universal binary app, so it's performance is going whizz along and will make Pages look like an embarrassing sluggard. - iPeeFreely, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8flamebot:
ur a tool!
have you not got anything helpfull to contribute with?
and the answer to your question: because there are people who use macs! - BrainedChild, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7To speed up neooffice, move the fonts from inside the program to the system fonts folder. Set the graphic memory cache to 64mb. And find the individual launcher programs for Writer, Impress etc.
- ramshaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm not sure if its my windows heritage but I was never a fan of the Office 2004 for Mac UI, and on my MacBook under Rosetta its painfully slow. This looks like a step in the right direction, the lack of a modern and responsive Office Suite is where OS X is falling down for me at the moment. Office 2007 is a joy to use on my Windows box hopefully it will be similar on Mac. OpenOffiice on Mac isn't ideal under X11 and NeoOffice isn't stable enough at the moment in my opinion.
- nmccreight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Is it just me, or is there a real shortage of word processors for the mac? Pages is meant for other functions, and Word is a piece of ***** (that seems to get uglier and uglier as time progresses). Other than Textedit and Openoffice, what other options are there?
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Pages is great for small documents, with lots of grapics that really need to look good. At work we regularly have documents in excess of 100-200 pages, with a ToC, many cross-references, a few graphics etc. Pages really grinds to a halt and has a lot of trouble when you get above the 20 page range. Which is sad because it is UB already and Word can handle this, although clunky under rosetta. Makes me think Pages is going to be even farther behind when a universal version of office comes out. I really don't think Apple is targeting the corporate, business, professional market with iWork though.
- blueigloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Google Docs :D
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Tangled up tubes.
- unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Raian: Yes, do read: http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/
Current article: MacTech’s Mac Office VBA to AppleScript Transition Guide
Hmm, guess there WILL be scripting after all and apparently you can transition.
If Microsoft does not present a transition tool, it makes for a great 3rd party opportunity, assuming there is enough demand. - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Wrong story perhaps? See Dvorak on that...
- wiihuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5run the Microsoft AutoUpdater. it was slow on my macbook as well until I updated. it went from a 40+ bouncer to normally five bounces, ten max. i believe the newest version is 11.3.4 but i'm at school right now so i'm not 100%.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Neooffice is good because I have an Ubuntu machine as my primary work PC, and a Macbook Pro as my mobile workstation. I need them both to be compatible, so OO.o and Neooffice are a must.
- blacklint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For some reason, "easy to use" and "Escher" just don't go together in my mind...
- koick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Why? (I'll bite) Well, Office 2004 for Mac is at least an order of magnitude better, easier to use, nicer to look at, etc. than Office 2004 for Windows. The MS Mac team add lots of nice things which makes the versions for the different OSs not just clones of eachother.
- chrislee149, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, I mean wtf is with all these losers with jobs?
- catmistake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Entourage in Office 2008 for Mac is supposed to have feature parity with Outlook on Windows afa Exchange public folders functionality and calendaring. If this is the case, it is a mighty victory. If not, because expectations are always low for Microsoft products, it is no biggie... "does it work at all?" that is the question.
- miker71, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This looks like the best iteration of Office for Mac I've seen so far. I don't care about the loss of VBA, I'm a luddite toward office apps anyhow.
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Einstein, Shakespeare, Proust never needed no stinkin' Word. Give me a crayon and a sidewalk and I'll come up with more magic than the Microsoft milange.
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