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- mrfreeziexp, on 10/12/2007, -31/+70I do, as do millions of other consumers.
- Skwerl, on 10/12/2007, -18/+48@ heydigital
Wrong! Unlike the windows world, the release of a new version doesn't mean the end of support for the previous.The only reason to upgrade is if you require the new features, or an application you need relies on said new features. Also, define service pack, last I checked 10.4 has had many "service packs" taking it to version 10.4.9.
@ Kris33
dug down for your use of the word "don't" - Legato, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26we still don't know what the two "top secret" features are though correct?
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Virtue isn't Space....I want to see all my spaces at once, drag and drop windows around and use expose for all of them at once
SuperDuper isn't Time Machine.....will it backup, sure. Will it let me fly back in time, will it auto backup everything without me doing anything or buying the app, will it allow me to use QuickLook to see what I'm restoring?
ChatX....no....I want desktop sharing in iChat. Something only Leopard will bring. I don't want to explain VNC to my Mom, iChat will be a god send in Leopard
Mail templates....w00t?...no......Where are my notes, my system wide task engine, built in RSS reader?
Lest we forget the top secret features. Leopard will bring much more then these 3rd party add-ons can give. Lets also not forget the much improved Spotlight, will it be a LaunchBar or Quicksilver competitor? Resolution independace. 64-bit brought to all levels of the OS. And last but not least, Core Animation which will change the way we thing of desktop applications, bringing rich interactive and dynamic interfaces. - moisie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Some of the alternatives don't actually match what apple is adding. Take Time Machine, sure there are backup solutions already, Apple even do one, but that doesn't mean Time Machine won't offer anything new and/or better. Using that logic we needn't have updated to Tiger since Panther was an operating system as well.
- greatblackowl, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27@skwerl
Uhh... MS just kicked Windows 98 support last year. It seems every commercial application I've seen requires at least 10.3.9 to work, whereas similar (or the same) applications go back to Windows 2000 in terms of support. - DaBrainiac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I just want to get rid of Brushed Metal- once and for all.
- wonderchemist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13But the feature I really want is a 64-bit TextEdit.
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14No bad but where's the new UI? The Apple easy of use, attention to detail and sense of subtle style? Where's ZFS? Where's all the new iCons? Where's the new secret apps? Where's Core Animation? Where's the completely new and rethought Finder? Where's the new bundled versions of iLife and iWork? Again, not a bad list of some neat apps, but please.. still holding out for Leopard.
- ActionableMango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Where is the alternative to Leopard's resolution independence?
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15What about speed improvements, bug fixes, security enhancements, interface/usability improvements? Not to mention the additional features. It's easy to say you don't "need" leopard. You don't "need" tiger either, but it is certainly better than jaguar or panther.
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15innovation isn't only about new ideas. Its also about improving on what has been done.
Look at the iPod. The mp3 player wasn't a new idea, but they made it look good and vastly improved the usability which took it from a niche geek market to the mainstream
Backup existed forever, but how many people actually backup regularly? Not many. I think that will change once Leopard and Time Machine come out.
They can innovate in an existing market to make something that was once difficult and make it easy and fun - Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I was bloody relieved by the delay to be honest - Tiger works just fine for me, but I tend to be drawn moth-like to the latest software releases. It saves me some money :-)
Up until Panther, each release ran faster on my hardware. I thought Tiger saw some bloat begin to creep in and was a rather sloppy release - Spotlight was OK, but can be bloody slow and annoying. Maybe they will take more care with Leopard. - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Without looking real hard I bet you're wrong about a lot of things
- techotter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If you can find me an alternative to the new Bluetooth stack in Leopard (including A2DP), i'll give you a cookie.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -20/+25.. and I thought Apple was original and innovative, shows how wrong I was. ;)
- macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9UNO that ***** till Leopard, I have and I'm quite happy.
- tony.pitale, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Having used test builds I can say from first-hand experience that the features in Leopard are far easier to use. Settings are typical apple, simple yet, powerful if you need them to be. The animated transitions in spaces and time machine are far better than anything I've used before, almost everything on that list.
- esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5main thing i want: Leopard will let you turn off the stupid modal dialog you get when you change a file's extension in the Finder. at last!
- enicholas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5VirtueDesktops is crap compared to Spaces. I'm betting the person that wrote this hasn't actually used Leopard, or he wouldn't be willing to put forth some of these suggestions.
Also, assuming the final version of Time Machine is based on ZFS snapshots (as seems likely, judging from the on-disk representation), it will kick the living snot out of any existing backup software. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That makes lots of sense for those of us with Intel Macs.
Oh wait, no it doesn't. - emergethis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What a lame list of useless crap! Those application are nothing but fluff that provide a marginal (at best) improvement to anyone's experience/productivity on an Apple machine. If those items really do an upgrade make in your opinion then I guess Leopard really doesn't matter to you. I personally want to see a new or at least an improved kernel, the new file system (ZFS) as well as things like DTrace and for those tings I'll shell out the cash.
- thread, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I only want it for TextMate 2.0.
- iamgnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@greatblackowl
That has nothing to do with Apple, but with the software vendor (though most/all Apple apps do have that requirement I believe).
In 10.3.9 Apple made some significant improvements (I forget what the big one was now) that made it worthwhile for vendors to use the new library calls (and thereby not work on < 10.3.9).
It's no different than the XP SP2 requirements you see on some Windows based software.
-dave - kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Click the little icon right to his username to block him. I did.
- BrainInAJar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6None of these are the two features in leopard that /I/ want... namely dtrace & zfs
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@skwerl - Yeah, the Windows world doesn't mean that either.
I find it hilarious that there is an article saying "Oh well." for an Apple OS delay but if MS does it everyone proceeds to rip them. What a bunch of fanboys. - hackerssidekick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why wouldn't it make sense for Intel Macs? All the "Core" chips are 64-bit
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ramble
no......Vista and Tiger have similar features. Tiger came out 2 years ago, Vista a few months ago
We don't know all the features of Leopard yet, but I'm pretty sure its going to have a lot that Vista doesn't have seeing as 90% of Vista has been in OS X for years now - wastern, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'd rather wait a couple extra month for Leopard then a few extra years for Vista. At least Leopard is giving people something they want at a reasonable price. I've yet to hear anyone say such things about Vista
- bigbird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its called vista... sp2
- nonesupplied, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't worry, if Windows ever uses similar ideas, Microsoft will be a thief.
Now, I don't want to say Apple steals ideas; they're bringing useful features to the core of the OS. Any big-time distributor is going to do what their user base wants. So, I don't get why so many people bash Vista with claims of "Oh, they stole searching." - hadak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well.
I will still look at porn on 10.5. It will still look the same as on 10.4.
I see no issues here. - kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All the Core 2 Duo chips has 64-bits, Core Duo chips hasn't.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I refuse to buy Leopard unless they radically redesign Finder, and make the entire system interface fully consistent. Especially dragging. It's always a guessing game-- are you going to end up copying it, moving it, or poofing it?
- yhvdyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1blu-ray video support?
- wiihuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2only two of them aren't free. superduper is $28 and mail templates is $15.
- PacoBell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://blog.david.connolly.name/2007/06/stereo-bluetooth-profile-a2dp-on-mac-os.html
Now where's my cookie? =P - skribble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think this article is missing the point entirely. It shows some superficial application level widgets that are available now, but these have nothing really to do with what's really cool about Leopard. *It's the underlying Frameworks that make Leopard Super cool.* Seriously... As apps start leveraging some of the new system level API's and Frameworks, you'll start seeing some cool stuff. Resolution independence is just the tip of the iceberg.
Oh, and while we are at it... the apps listed to suffice for Leopards version of Mail pale in comparison to the real thing. - IchiroBoston, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5These articles are interesting but most people just want things to work without installing all sorts of additional software.
Also leopards back end is what you really want.. things like CoreAnimation.
One other gripe about this article, there is no comparison between TimeMachine vs SuperDuper..etc
TimeMachine is not only a backup solution but kind of a version control, its very slick.
My only wish is for TimeMachine to allow it to work on the boot disk (internal laptop drive), I know it defeats the "backup" part of it but I would still like to have the ability to "Go back in time" - scottjl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i don't know why people are whineing. ok. so lepoard's late. i'd rather have it with less bugs and more features because they took some time than early, crash-prone and missing a few things. how much would people complain then? 10.4.9 is working just fine for me now, seems damn solid, and i can't think of any features it doesn't have that i feel i'm horribly missing. a few months late is hardly the end of the world.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I can wait until October or whenever for 10.5 to come out and I'll probably wait a little while after that. Nothing announced so far has made me willing to cough up another $129 or whatever to get it.
I already use SuperDuper for backups of the three Macs at the house and only my Intel iMac will most likely be able to use most of the real gems hidden within.
At least this post (so far) hasn't been a repeat of the "BUT...sputter sputter...Vista was late by 6 gazillion years!"
As for the anti-mac trolls above and most likely below eventually...get over it. Macs work great. Using a Mac takes nothing away from your MS experience so just shaddup. - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't really care if Apple 'ripped off' Volume Shadow Copy from 2003 Server and branded it as Time Machine. It is a useful concept that would be beneficial to any OS.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah yes, the vaunted Mac UI, so superior! And yet Mac users can't even create their own color schemes; they have to wait years for Apple to dribble out even the minor adjustments that IT sees fit to make.
Windows has its problems (the default XP UI scheme is a disgrace), but you can change the look of your system and apps in a matter of minutes. The continued failure of Apple to provide this ability is another big hole in the "better UI" myth. - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> It's no different than the XP SP2 requirements you see on some Windows based software.
Very few pieces of software require SP2. If anything, SP2 broke a couple of applications primarily by turning on the Firewall. SP2 was certainly an important upgrade, but I can't think of any application that requires SP2 specifically. I don't know why branden is being dugg down. SP2 is a free upgrade to anyone who bought Windows XP back in 2001. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Also leopards back end is what you really want.. things like CoreAnimation."
Uh, no. Core Animation is nearly useless. In almost every case, animation SLOWS DOWN a person's interaction with a UI. Do you want a selection bar to move the instant you hit the arrow key, or do you want to wait for it to slide, swoop, or roll to the next item? How about if you have to move to the fifth item, and you get to watch some "cool" effect five times?
It may be well implemented, but unfortunately it's pointless. - sigginike90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hahaha replay
- enicholas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@skribble: Incorrect. The application support for it is backwards-compatible -- a resolution-independent app will happily run on Tiger, it will just always see a scale factor of 1.0. In order to utilize resolution independence, every single one of your applications must support it, or they will be screwed up when the scale factor is anything other than 1.0. That means that if Apple had any intention of turning on resolution-independence support in 10.5.0, they would be telling developers to get their resolution-independence support done NOW. Instead they are telling developers 2008. Why?
Well, obviously the initial version of Leopard will not support scale factors other than 1.0. That's a simple consequence of the 2008 announcement, and the fact that basically nothing is ready for it. The only question is, what's happening in 2008 that requires developers to be ready with resolution independence? That could just be when the feature gets turned on -- Apple might have expected to have 10.6 out in 2008 (unlikely now), or it could be that they plan to do it in a Leopard update release. It could also coincide with a hardware release, such as higher-resolution monitors, which necessitate the support. - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"And Leopard won't have all of the features of Vista, so what's your point?"
Don't be dumb, I was replying to the guy above me. That's my point. - stevealford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 I am going to visit Steve Jobs and pitch a new product to him. I want to use the Apple logo to bring back the pet rock. The logo will have leopard details below it and will ship with each new Leopard system for an extra $19.99. As part of the iRock upgrade, I might throw in a few iTunes downloads as a play on words.
Before you mod me down, consider this: how many of us bought an iPod case from Apple that costs at least three times what a plain one without the Apple logo costs? When you're spending $3000 on a new computer, you'd gladly pay 20 more bucks for a cute novelty like the iRock that you can proudly set atop your tower or monitor. It would be an excellent conversation piece or just something cute to amuse you while you're booting up or waiting for something to load. -
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