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- chrislund, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22i think his point was that the 30in display has a resolution of 2560x1600. that's obviously not 1920x1080, so what's going to do the scaling? the monitor itself (my guess)?
clearly he has an understanding of the situation so i don't know why you needed to chime in with your "duh you're dumb!" comment. - winnch, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I don't think that qualifies him as an "idiot." I thought the whole point of social news site was so we could spread knowledge quickly and simply. It won't hurt to clear up a confusion without attacking the parent.
- MoneyManJM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Actually it's the HDCP that is needed for DRM, which you can also do over DVI.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13iSight has been an Apple product on the market for a long time...
- PabloMac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@ bbrosemer:
"Your an idiot its so you can hook up a blu-ray or HD-DVD player and get 1080p"
Some would say YOU'RE an idiot. - winnch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Because Dell's is not necessarily the better monitor, that's why. According to CNET's 5-round review, while Dell outperformed in certain areas, they concluded Apple's was the superior display (and won in a majority of the rounds) -- specifically mentioning Apple's superior color differentiation.
Furthermore, you also claim the Dell monitor has a better contrast ratio. In fact, they are both 700:1. They both have the same refresh and brightness. And I don't know what you mean by, "etc.," but I'm sure the Apple at least matches Dell is the "Etc" features, too.
The Apple HD display also uses less power, takes up less space, and is a hell of a lot nicer to look at, which certainly influences the productivity of my designers. - doppler00, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Actually, HDMI is not needed for 1080p resolution. It's only needed to enforce DRM. There is no consumer benefit to HDMI.
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5eh. it could be a good camera (an updated isight). even if it isn't, as a creative professional, having an isight built into the monitor would be great for all the video conferencing i do. so you don't video conference much. get over it and don't buy on of these new monitors if you don't like them. but to say apple is less 'cool' now just because it's meeting customer demand is just stupid.
- standalonematt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What about audio and video with 1 cable/connection.
- Strip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+51) The newest revision of HDMI supports 2560x1600@60hz over a "single" link.
2) HDMI is being incorporated so the display will support future DRM encoded HD-DVD's and BR among others, and will require a display that supports HDCP.
3) HDCP over DVI is technically the same, but that isn't a "standard", most (if not all, but I'm only guessing) display that have both a HDMI and DVI input will only accept HDCP on the HDMI input. That's another reason for Apple to go for a HDMI input. But you will not lose the standard DVI input so if you don't need HDMI, it won't hurt you either.
4) Dual-Link HDMI, comparable to dual-link, is defined but has not yet been seen on a commercial product yet. It simpy hasn't been needed. Apple could be the first, but technically they don't have to, only if they make a 30+ inch display with an even higher resolution.
5) If they actually release an even bigger display with a higher resolution than 2560x1600@60hz, the normal dual-link DVI would not be enough. But technically, it wouldn't be any problem to go outside the offical DVI specification with a GFX card that would support those unoffical modes. (It would just be like the latest HDMI revison). But my guess is that the practical thing is to go dual-link HDMI that can drive a maximum resolution of 3200x2048@60hz and be within spec.
6)The GFX makers would then play catch-up and eventually dual-link HDMI will be a standard feature like dual-link DVI has become. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Apple (and Intel) are heavily pushing the UDI connection... http://www.udiwg.org/home
They won't put HDMI in their monitors, it will only be in the iTV to work with current TVs. They want to see UDI catch on all around electronics because it combines HDMI and DVI protocols. - rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What the hell do you want in it then... a huge HD camcorder or something..
Its a ***** screen you wont be carrying it around recording will you. - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5idk, IMO they look 10000x sexier in all ways
- einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'll tell you exactly why.
For a period of time, Dell was using the same panels as Apple. But the Dells were encountering wicked banding. Google for it.
Secondly, the Apple panels were selected from a higher grading of those panels; they maintained a tighter tolerance requirement for greater quality control. Why? So that they could get:
SWOP certification. The Apple displays were SWOP certified, the Dells were not. That's not to say you couldn't get similar calibration curves, provided you were lucky enough to get a panel which was *just* outside spec.
As for the HDMI, that's easy: iTV. If you want your display to interface with all your widgets, are you going to pick the anti-DRM connector that studios wont support? Or are you going to continue building on your 90% share of the video download market and embrace standards which make the skittish studios feel a tad better? - ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4HDMI is awesome, why the hate?
- Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5HDMI? Gross.
- thegreyfox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7sometime i wish there was a double digg down button just for silly comments.
- winnch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, as the owner of a graphic design firm in Chicago, I can tell you I'm thrilled for this innovation. Quick and easy video conferencing with clients or among our team will be very helpful. Besides, it's small, unobtrusive, and inexpensive to integrate -- so why wouldn't you do so? It's a heck of a lot better than having to buy and stick on a freakin' scope.
- zeppo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is interesting because none of the apple videocards far as I know of support HDMI yet. There is 1 consumer advantage to HDMI when connected properly you get audio and video one easy to connect cable so easy even a geico could do it.
But yeah the DRM ***** is definitely not consumer friendly but such is life... - rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I really don't see how the apple monitors under perform. I have used both Dell WFP and apple displays and i can say that apples display is far superior in quality and color (and looks).
- aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>>i think his point was that the 30in display has a resolution of 2560x1600. that's obviously not 1920x1080, so what's going to do the scaling? the monitor itself (my guess)?
All fixed-pixel displays (such as LCDs) automatically upscales to their maximum resolution, so you are right. - corsairstw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2HDMI doesn't have to have DRM. It's only the movie studios who are demanding it in the HDMI capable DVD players and TV sets.
- doppler00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Just a note that 3007WFP-HC is the _newer_ version of the 3007WFP. Specs are different. The current cinema display is 14ms, the new dell is 8ms. Huge difference. But maybe Apple will improve it.
- yabos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason they need HDMI is because without it HDCP content won't be able to be played on the screens. Sucks that it's that way but anything that doesn't support HDCP will only get a lower quality signal. Obviously Apple want's to be able to display any Blueray or HD-DVD content available.
- anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The current cinema display is 14ms, the new dell is 8ms. Huge difference."
No, it's not. The optimum refresh time for pixels on an LCD display is about 16 ms. Anything more than that and you get ghosting during movement because there's too much persistence; anything less and you get flickering during movement because there's not enough. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That would be awesome. I hope they'll make Windows drivers for the built-in webcam because I really like the design of their monitors.
- Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows drivers for the video functionality of the Isight exist already.
- dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@leoxnx
Maybe because the iTV will the easiest and most pain-free way of getting any type of video on your TV, whether it be an HDTV or not. - yabos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess it's because all those other connections would look like crap on a 23" screen. AFAIK you can't get full resolution for the 23" screen with any of those other connectors.
- spyd4r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cinema Display for video gaming? I'd hit it.
especially if it's larger then the current model and not much more $$$ - okto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tipsters, n.: Bored geeks who blog completely fabricated ***** to get attention.
OMG IPHONE
OMG 13" MACBOOKPRO
OMG ISIGHTS IN CINEMA DISPLAYS
OMG MAC TABLET
OMG IPHONE BUT NO SERIOUSLY GUYS IT FOR REALZ
OMG MAC TABLET - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't want Apple to get into the HDTV market. Big mistake. There are a hell of a lot of players there already, and their displays are getting really good and really cheap. Translation: Apple would be late to the party at this stage.
- aurifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looking forward to it. I love the cinema displays.
- anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why in the name of sweet crap would you want an RCA connection on a modern digital computer monitor? I honestly can think of no scenario in which that would be a reasonable thing to want.
- zeppo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Multiple audio cables for better sound??? For analog sound yeah but pure digital such as HDMI or even coax digital there is no improvement in having separate cables unless you like dealing with a lot of cables for some reason.
- sv650touring, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because you can digg an article without ever opening it and a lot of people obviously do that. The rumor submissions that say "may" instead of "will" probably exist, they just don't get as many of those blind diggs, and so they don't show up on the front page as often.
- MonumentMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm glad that others have noticed the negative HDMI/HDCP ***** (DRM). I would have liked to see Apple move away from that, because all it's going to do is force many users underground who will download movies/tv shows/video from the internet and play it with no DRM issues. I personally will not buy any product which forces users to use HDCP.
- cinderblock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HDMI > DVI
- Better connector (smaller and doesn't get caught)
- Higher bandwidth (slightly) than Dual-link DVI
- 8 Channel audio as well
But both DO support HDCP it's just that most monitors that use DVI don't support HDMI
Read up before you make assertions. - ocha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also isnt the iTV unit HDMI not DVI?
Wouldn't it be beneficial for Apple to plug a display for iTV if your home TV doesnt support HDMI already.
Mac book pro with HDMI video cards would be nice, too. - jamend, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1oops n/m
- ocha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would really like the option of HDMI. It would make the sets a lot more versatile. But only if it's HDMI and DVI if it's possible.
- johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Could be a move into the HDTV market - they come out with the iTV, and then sell HDTV "TV's" (really monitors) at the same time. The iTV could have both iTunes integration, as well as iChat (so now you can talk to your friends/family/business partners through the same screen). Now you just have to worry about walking around the house in your underwear and hope you didn't leave the iSight piece on....
- jamend, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1A 30" 2560x1600 isn't meant to be hooked up to a HD DVD/Blu-ray player, it's meant for a computer which would do whatever scaling you want. Current 30-inchers don't have scaling engines anyways. Also, dual-link HDMI exists and the new 1.3 version supports enough bandwidth in one link for 2560x1600. I haven't seen anything with dual-link HDMI/HDCP before though, and for reference the current HDCP-supporting Dell 3007WFP only supports HDCP at 720p (at least that's what Wikipedia says).
- jonnyfatman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't mind seeing rumours appearing on Digg, as it's interesting to see what _might_ be appearing in future.
What I do mind are headlines based on rumours that are made to look like they're based on facts.
Why can't people create titles like "Next Gen Apple Cinema Displays MAY Have HDMI and iSight?" - whalesalad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ok great, HDMI. Now can you guys give me some S-Video, Composite, RCA, and VGA in like my buddies Dell monitor? I've got two extremely beautiful 23'' HD Cinema's in front of me and only one input on each.
Maybe not a bunch of connectors on the back, that wouldn't flow with apple style, but maybe at least a special connector that would connect to a module with all the connectors on it? Come on Apple, I wan't to use my monitor for more than just my mac. - Olof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As I always say: until I'm standing in front of one, drooling, wishing I had the money to buy one, I'm not believing a word of it...
That being said, it'd be damn cool! - hempcamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not an advantage at all unless you have an expensive AV receiver to deal with both audio and video from HDMI. I'd rather have multiple cables and higher quality independent audio equipment.
- forgiste, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This should be nice. I feel bad for anyone who already bought that Mac Pro, decked out, with a 30" Cinema...
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Because it's closed DRM *****, that's the only reason for it's existance.
- dotcom101010, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2you know most if not all computer monitors are HD right?
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