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- fugazied, on 05/19/2009, -5/+35Aesthetically it's a minor update, but some of the under the hood changes are big.
- speel, on 05/19/2009, -7/+27Seems like a minor upgrade.
- ocellnuri, on 05/19/2009, -8/+27You started out with the info that Windows 7 is a month ahead of Snow Leopard in development. Then you compared the stability of a Release Candidate against that of a developer beta.
You don't have to be pro-Apple to see that those aren't direct comparisons in an evaluation about stability for the final products. - kevL0CK, on 05/19/2009, -9/+23***** PPC. it's long overdue.
- winterspan, on 05/19/2009, -0/+11No, sorry, that is entirely incorrect. Power and ARM are totally different instruction sets. The closest thing PowerPC and ARM have in common are that they are both RISC architectures, which in modern terms isn't even really relevant anymore as even x86 is RISC internally using microcode to breakdown x86 instructions into simpler RISC code.
- jhochberg, on 05/19/2009, -1/+10The guy that made this video should not be allowed to be in front of a keyboard.
- york2600, on 05/19/2009, -3/+10Then don't. No one is forcing you. Wait till 10.7
- gcnaddict, on 05/19/2009, -16/+23Too bad 7 is coming out before Leopard (September 15 targeted for RTM, October 15 for general availability) and won't freeze up as often.
(I'm saying this from my experience with the latest TAP Windows 7 release v. the latest Leopard dev seed. Windows 7 is far more stable and usable, though since this is a pro-Apple section of Digg, I'm expecting jeers for saying this.) - ethana2, on 05/19/2009, -0/+7Uh. I don't think ARM is PPC...
- Nephersir7, on 05/19/2009, -3/+10PPC is not dead, the Xbox 360, the PS3 and the Wii rely on it.
To each its own
PPC = for Gaming consoles
x86 = for PCs - macslut, on 05/19/2009, -1/+7When it comes to the PPC, think of it this way. This OS is mostly about optimization. There are some interface tweaks, but nothing major...certainly nothing worth paying to upgrade the OS on a PPC for. With that in mind, PPC can still run Leopard which will be pretty much functionally equivalent to Snow Leopard and will remain the current OS for some time after the release of Snow Leopard. I would imagine a good couple of years.
When you consider how radical a shift was from PPC to Intel, Apple handled this quite well.
It would really suck to have PPC legacy holding back optimization and development for those of us who made the jump a long time ago to appease people with Macs that will be so old (by the time the OS after Snow Leopard comes out) that it really wouldn't make sense to update them (in term of the OS). - icarussmicarus, on 05/19/2009, -1/+7He should move away from the mic to breathe.
- cpoteet, on 05/19/2009, -3/+8Not very exciting but oh well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ScWwymst4 - CoreyTamas, on 05/19/2009, -3/+8Much upgraded performance and more hard drive space seems like good reasons to upgrade if you ask me.
- greatcaffeine, on 05/19/2009, -4/+9When are they going to get rid of the aqua scrollbars? They look out of place enough in Leopard, and they're looking even more outdated in Snow Leopard.
- TVarmy, on 05/19/2009, -0/+5I really want to see some benchmarks, though, and how much faster it'll run on existing hardware. Otherwise, it might just end up being what's run on the new machines, which would be a shame because developers will be more resistant to take advantage of the new features that come with an OS upgrade.
- bigplrbear, on 05/19/2009, -6/+10yeah, such as dropping support for PPC. Rest in peace PPC :(
- lukak, on 05/19/2009, -3/+7I dugg you down not because I'm uninterested in the update, in fact, I'm very curious to see the wizardry they've promised in for things like grand central. I dugg you down because you're an over-enthusiastic, irritating fanboy. It's an operating system. Go outside.
- gazzerh, on 05/19/2009, -0/+4This is a pretty bad article. There's nothing leaked here and all these features are in the latest developers seed.
Apparently Apple are holding back some features such as a revamped Finder application and a new-look UI. We'll have to wait and see. The biggest features of this release (for me) is a 64-bit kernel, Grand Central, OpenCL and support for Microsoft Exchange in Mail, Calender and address book (although i'm seeing some bugs in the latest seed. It doesn't seem to sync properly with my rather large exchange 2008 mailbox) - macslut, on 05/19/2009, -2/+6I use my Mac most of the day. If the OS is going to even be slightly better, I'm going to pay for the upgrade. I think there are a lot of people who will pay for the performance improvements alone.
That being said, it does seem odd that Apple isn't announcing any real marketable features.
I mean with all of the effort going into the marketing, testing, distribution, printing, etc... of a new OS, how hard is it to whip together a nice little paint application to bundle in as well as a few other applets to appeal to people asking what's the check list of new things they can do because of this upgrade (which is what people have been conditioned to expect).
Of course they haven't announced pricing yet, so if it's free or cheap, then what they're doing makes a lot of sense to me. - CoD4, on 05/19/2009, -1/+4cmd Y was put back file
And this guy is nervous like his boss is about to come back from the donut break - Urkel, on 05/19/2009, -2/+5I'm really excited for Snow Leopard and all but... yawn.
Lots of shiny but I was really hoping for that trademark Apple "innovation" in the UI. - fr34k5h0w, on 05/19/2009, -3/+6And if you've been following any rumor site none of this is news.
- gazzerh, on 05/19/2009, -0/+3It has also been in OS X for a while as well. Just hidden in a menu item called 'Show View Options'. They've just moved that control to the Finder frame.
- gemlarin, on 05/19/2009, -1/+4Then don't. Nobody is forcing you to.
- dragon76, on 05/19/2009, -0/+3These screen shots are of an older build of Snow Leopard because when burrowing through Dock folders the "History" carpet shows a single folder icon instead of the list of items as shown.
The main changes so far are that the Services Menu finally becomes usable as you can craft your own using Automator, Finder shows 512x512 icons and you can turn on auto-correct for text in Cocoa apps. Oh yeah, QuickTime X completely removes any kind of editing/authoring. Apple has finally removed all functionality from QuickTime Player. Go buy Final Cut Express, you miscreant!
I would not be surprised if Apple waited for WWDC to unveil a new interface or a new killer feature unless they plan on giving Snow Leopard away for free because right now there's nothing that makes you want to pay money for it over Leopard. - dragon76, on 05/19/2009, -0/+3The way they're making things smaller is only for the OS, they finally stopped the asinine practise of forcing you to install 7,000 languages when you only want one and all the PPC code is gone from the OS. You can accomplish the same thing Apple is doing by running Monolingual on your current Leopard.
- Huevoos, on 05/19/2009, -0/+3The "make icons bigger" feature has been here since I remember, you just have to press + J
The preview video is here since leopard, but only in coverflow mode.
The nested stacks are also present on leopard, using the list stack, but in snow leopard it is a hell of a lot prettier!!! - Huevoos, on 05/19/2009, -0/+3My MacPro and I just had our first Mac Mini together.
It has my eyes. - aristotle0dude, on 05/19/2009, -0/+2I'd hit it.
- Avaseal, on 05/19/2009, -0/+2dude
- bobaghanoush, on 05/19/2009, -3/+5Dugg for Benny Lava playing in Quicktime
- inactive, on 05/19/2009, -2/+4yep
http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/imag ... - wwwluckyro, on 05/19/2009, -2/+4Exactly what I was thinking.
- ansujay, on 05/19/2009, -1/+3It's Prabhu Deva, not Benny Lava.
- gcnaddict, on 05/19/2009, -4/+6I guess I should elaborate here, since I'm getting buried for my last comment:
I compared a less tested and more theoretically unstable build of Windows 7 to a more stable build of Snow Leopard, and yet 7 is far better in terms of stability.
I know Digg doesn't operate by logic ("OMG the guy is hating on Macs! Bury!") but when I'm giving the favor to an OS in a comparison and it's still not winning, that's saying something. - speel, on 05/19/2009, -4/+5True.
- TVarmy, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1We don't negotiate with terrorists, digg him up like he just said this is the best XKCD ever.
- AquaOSX, on 05/19/2009, -11/+12I hope Apple is going to bundle something interesting with 10.6. So far I don't see anything that's compelling me to upgrade ASAP.
- mingram2, on 05/19/2009, -5/+6i cant wait for OSX tabby cat
- P5ycHo, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1I think all of the items this person showed us (while breathing in the mic) is already in the current version.
Why does a windows user demo a new version of OSX anyway? He has no clue about the previous version. - adjohnson916, on 05/19/2009, -1/+2I was about to give them to you, but it looks like apple pulled them as they hit the social news sites. The worst kind of Digg effect.
http://www.youtube.com/browse?ytsession=yaSwa2enFx ...
But here's some less thorough version from someone else, though not nearly as explanatory or interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ScWwymst4 - CoreyTamas, on 05/19/2009, -4/+5There's always someone who's gonna say one is faster/better/more stable than the other. We'll see when they hit the shelves what's actually going into the box.
- johnkemp, on 05/19/2009, -1/+2underwhelming...
- SteveMax, on 05/19/2009, -2/+3macslut, optimizing for one platform doesn't mean you can't develop for another. Most of the optimizations can be handled by the compiler; and even if you hand-optimize in assembly, you can (and should, to help debugging) have a plain C version of the code (that could be compiled for PPC). More debugging? Possibly, but they had a lot to gain by keeping it. PPC isn't gone for such a long time yet: it's been only three years since the transition started, and one of the top arguments for a Mac over a PC has always been that you make a bigger initial investment, but you can use your computer for a longer time. My 2003 iBook G4 (from the first iBook G4 series) still runs great under both Leopard and Fedora. As soon as Snow Leopard-only software appear, my Leopard partition will get lonelier and lonelier.
Linux is a great example, actually. It runs on everything, and well optimized for most architectures (I run it on x86, x86_64, ppc, arm, sparc and alpha). If a non-commercial OS can support dozens of architectures and still be very optimized for at least a handful of them, Apple should be able to optimize their OS for their hardware. Most G4s and G5s should be able to run Snow Leopard very well; quad G5s would run it better than the Core Duos, and even better than lower-end Core 2s. - P5ycHo, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1You're obviously doing something wrong.
- wwwluckyro, on 05/19/2009, -2/+3Actually I believe Snow Leopard might be launched in the summer or maybe in October, as per Leopard.
- inactive, on 09/07/2009, -0/+1I would love to see the new OS first hand, I believ it is going to be a great OS - Mac always surprises me.
I found another, more concise explanation about Snow Leopard here:
http://digg.com/d313Tc8
although I didn't have time to read the whole article, it has already persuaded me :) the comment above is totally true however - macslut, on 05/19/2009, -1/+2@SteveMax,
"optimizing for one platform doesn't mean you can't develop for another. "
It's not optimization versus development, it's about creating something that's fully optimized for the (now not-so-new) Intel architecture. Much of that optimization is doing away with code and files that are all for legacy support. And that legacy is for a market that is less likely to buy an OS upgrade to begin with.
"Most G4s and G5s should be able to run Snow Leopard very well"
What's the point, if they run Leopard very well and Snow Leopard is pretty much nothing but optimization for the Intel architecture?
@dragon76,
"you must be new to the Apple fray and don't really understand how this works"
Just the opposite, I understand how this works, and have a preference for it. Apple isn't going to ***** everybody except those who bought in the last year. The transition to Intel was announced FOUR YEARS AGO. That was the time for us as customers to think about what we were buying and for how long we'd be able to upgrade.
This wasn't a minor change for Apple, this was a radical transition, the most radical in terms of hardware since the beginning of the Mac platform.
During the past four years, I can't imagine buying the older architecture and thinking it would be maintained at the forefront of the platform for even as long as it has already. - threemagic, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1we don't need to negotiate.. we have a clear headshot
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