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- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -15/+76If Apple's (horrible) version of Quicktime for Windows is any indication of how well they'll port Safari, they can keep it. Apple's software tends to integrate well with their own operating system, but they're not that great at Windows software.
Furthermore, I just can't imagine why anyone would choose Safari over Firefox. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40FF isn't perfect either, but probably tons better than a Safari port.
- JohnBooty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Even if Safari/Win were to gain essentially zero marketshare, its mere existence would be a huge win for Apple. Why?
It would let non-OSX-based web developers test their websites on Safari, the browser that most Mac users surf with. A lot of developers (particularly independents or those in small shops) don't test with Safari because they don't have a Mac to test it on. Safari/Win would allow Windows-based developers to improve the web experience of Apple's OSX customers.
That's a win for Apple even if nobody uses Safari on Windows except for developers.
(My two cents? Safari's alright, although I don't know that it has too much to offer power users compared to Firefox or Opera. But enough people are switching to Macs these days that I, as a developer, need to make sure things work on Safari. I can't afford to ignore one out of every twenty customers - about 5% of my users use Safari and this percentage is growing.) - timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20It was removed because someone incorrectly put it up there in the first place: http://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements&diff=46042&oldid=46012
It's a *wiki*, meaning anyone can edit it. The person that put that up there either didn't know what they were talking about, worded it badly, or was looking to fuel this exact kind of speculation. There's *no* indication that Apple's ever going to run Safari on Windows. It provides them with no advantage to do so, mainly because it would make them no money (and don't suggest selling it, because people don't buy browsers. Look at Opera).
Edit: Here's where it was added: http://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements&diff=45894&oldid=42169
And here's who added it: http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Bhashem Same on you, Basil! :P - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Seems kind of pointless for Apple to waste time developing Windows software. What do they have to gain from having win32 browser marketshare?
- qeek, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24It would be a great experience to use Safari on Windows, even if I would stick with Firefox after all.
However, it seems that there is no such information on the site anymore. - mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Well judging by the performance of iTunes and Quicktime on Windows, I wouldn't get too excited about Safari on Windows at all.
- epu2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19anything compared to IE is great....
ityche even.. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12" . . . but almost all you Apple owners use Firefox."
Actually, I think any webmaster of a Mac oriented site would tell you Safari is the most widely used browser on Macs.
On slightly more tech savvy sites it's split in half if you want to combine Firefox and Camino on the merit that they both use the Gecko engine. Take MacOSXHints for example:
http://www.macosxhints.com/polls/index.php?qid=browser7&aid=-1
OS X has a history of diverse browser use. Before Safari we were heavily fragmented, with folks using IE, OmniWeb, Camino (before the name switch), Firefox, iCab, etc. Safari came in and gathered the people who weren't quite happy with whatever browser they were using. I think we still have more diverse browser usage than Windows. OmniWeb, Opera, iCab, Safari, Firefox, and Camino all get pretty respectable usage. In Windows it's pretty much Opera, Firefox, or IE; in Linux Opera, Firefox, or Konqueror. - aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17You also have a Mac. Try using iTunes or Quicktime on a Windows computer.
- saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17The same thing that Firefox gains buddy, I let you think about that one.
- Airspeeder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Maybe it could be beneficial to give Windows users an increasingly greater glimpse into Apple products till they finally decide to jump ship. Seems like the iPod is doing that quite well.
Although, I doubt a browser would do much in creating many switchers... - GarySinise, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I LIKE LYNX!!!
- hlidotbe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@Reziarfg: First it is not the Java engine which is faster (reading your comment I thought Opera had a special JRE), Javascript is not Java.
Then Firefox may have a slow javascript engine but it is way more expandable than Opera.
FInally, I ran the test with Safari and it is constantly bellow 500ms so Opera may not have the fastest JS engine after all - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I don't really want to count on Apple programming window applications, as they have done a horrible job so far. My iTunes lags when scrolling when there are a lot of songs in a playlist (foobar doesn't have this issue). Quicktime playback is pretty slow compared to a Mac counterpart with the same specs, while on a PC, WMV/H264 1080p/720p files play stunningly, Quicktime playback stutters and overall uses too much CPU. I wouldn't want Safari to be like those two as well...I hope they just keep Safari on OSX, which it runs fine on, same goes for iTunes & Quicktime. Their XP counterparts are horrific.
- Niten, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Safari has a quick rendering engine and excellent CSS support, better than even Firefox's. That said, I still use Firefox on my Macs for the extensibility (and particularly for the Foxmarks extension).
- halik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+81)This will not happen, Apple has absolutely no reason to invest in porting that app over
2)I don't even use Safari on my G5 tower, why would I use it on windows. No real adblock FTL - ScoTTeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Why does everyone care so much about what browser other people use?
If you like Firefox stick with it, likewise with Opera. Neither of them are bad and they are both highly standards compliant compared to IE not to mention much more secure.
On a side note, i don't use Opera because i don't like the UI plain and simple. Sure I could come to like it if i used it enough, but I'm quite happy with Firefox so why change? I'm sure long term Opera users would feel the same about Firefox. - eaasness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@epu2
even AOL explorer? http://downloads.channel.aol.com/browser - defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I feel so alone. I love safari for it's RSS inegration into the Bookmarks Bar. I just can't come to replacing it. But I have Firefox on all of the PCs I can have it on. Why is it hated so? It may not have AdBlock, but User Integrated CSS does the same exact thing. Why do people (seemingly) automatically abandon it?
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13I love safari, it runs a lot faster than FF on my comp, a lot!
- chewy5000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8opera is annoying. the interface is clustered and full of annoying menus and toolbars. it took me 20 minutes just to make it *slightly* better. I nuse firefox and love it, but as a PC using Mac lover, I would welcome safari wholeheartedly, even if it wasnt my main browser.
- dpcamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't even use safari on Mac, why would I bother with it in Windows?
- DenLadeSide, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8It WILL come... but not from Apple.
When KDE4 comes to windows, so should konqueror - and isn't Safari just a konqueror spin-off?
"Open Source
Safari uses open source software for its web page rendering engine, Safari draws on KHTML and KJS software from the KDE open source project."
(from http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/safari/ )
EDIT: just found this also -> http://jedisthlm.com/2005/01/25/khtml-on-windows/ - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Hate to play the devil's advocate again, but Opera handles RSS and Torrents surprisingly well"
Yeah, I checked out Opera too recently. It still didn't match the RSS reader in Safari in my opinion. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have the css thing activated on mine, works like a charm. bye bye ads.
- davymac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'll agree with you on Opera but I dont mind Firefox on the mac.. I prefer it actually.. but ur right.. Opera looks so strange in OS X
- awhiteflame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm running iTunes 7 on an old PowerBook Ti G4 @ 500 MHz, and it's faster than my PC running it.
- drewjoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@JohnBooty -- My thoughts exactly. As a windows programmer and web developer, I don't own a mac or need one... except to test my sites in Safari. I love Macs... but I'm too cozy and familiar and cheap with my PC to switch.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@JohnBooty
I also agree. I made the mistake of making a website and testing it only in Mozilla. When I finally saw it in IE a month later, it was a mess. (Yeah, yeah. I forgot the #1 rule. Make sure it works in more than 1 browser.) Having Safari available would be nice in order to ensure compatibility. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Something always get lost in the translation, just look at iTunes and Quicktime under Windows. I think I'll keep FF.
- seoimage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Safari is fast, but lacks the versatility and features available on Firefox. Porting it to windows will just cause designers more design headaches. The CSS support on Safari adds a few nifty features like a beautiful drop shadow. I'll give Apple that, it drop shadows as good as Photoshop, but now you have Search Engine Friendly text that looks really dam nice.
- cg0def, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ok keep in mind how different the mac and windows versions of iTunes are and then ask yourself if you would ever use a browser that has a very very limited number of plugins and is almost non customizable ... Even if it was true that there is some chance for Apple to port Safari to windows the browser would be at best in 4th place right after Opera. Why would Apple ever spend so much money to create a mediocre software that would bring them virtually no money? Oh and porting Opera to windows is not really that hard once you have all the libraries that were used to port itunes. Only we will see KDE apps running in windows way before Safari comes to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble ... - knugen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2PithHelmet can accomplish pretty much the same thing though.
http://www.culater.net/software/PithHelmet/PithHelmet.php - eastmpman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I also feel alone here, Safari is my browser of choice on my Powerbook, with Camino as its trusty backup. Webkit renders pages beautifully, and like any browser with a few good addons, there's not much it can't do. Firefox and especially Opera have always felt extremely out of place to me in OS X. Regardless, I can't see why Apple would ever port Safari, iChat, or any of their other applications to Windows that they couldn't directly profit from.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"FF isn't perfect either, but probably tons better than a Safari port."
Why? - NicP, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8@Frankie4Fingers, what exactly is wrong with it? I used firefox for a while when i switched to mac (from linux where i used firefox), but then I dropped it in favor of Safari. Is it the plugins you miss? Is there somewhere else Safari is lacking?
- serpicolugnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Safari's AJAX support is broken? Can you point to a specific example? I've yet to come across a js framework/foundation that doesn't work in Safari. Actually Safari tends to have better js support than IE (although not quite as good as Ff). The one js related issue that I'm aware of with Safari is related to TinyMCE, which isn't entirely javascript releated.
- ihate2regist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2id they do they will force it upon people by bundling it with itunes
- ThankTheCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ JohnBooty
true, though in my experience if something works in FireFox/Opera, it will work in Safari, too. - diggeasytiger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's the big deal? It's open source anyway. Apple don't need to port it themselves. Anyway.. Konqueror will be going to windows in kde4
- theblt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just from a web desginer's point of view, seeing Safari take off (in its current state) would be a nightmare. Apple has a lot of work to do to get Safari running up to speed. Competition isn't always bad though.
- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I had a bitch about the speed of iTunes on Windows a while ago and had a comment from a Mac user saying the Mac version was as bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't like FF Mac, it acts up on me too much (randomly lose ability to type if FF, crashes). Safari is too basic. I personally use Shiira. I want to see a native Cocoa port!
- fatadamblog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2First sign of the apocalypse! *shrugs*, oh well
- cjfjcjfjc, on 01/01/2009, -0/+1umm, lynx? Isn't that a text based browser from 1993?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jeepers, I hope so. With three decent browsers running on Windows (FF, Safari and Opera) perhaps the nightmare that is Internet Explorer will fade into oblivion where it rightfully deserves to reside.
- cjfjcjfjc, on 01/01/2009, -0/+1see, IE is mega fast and Fx is ulra slow, told you!
- coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Yes - for a start it looks a whole load nicer, it has better CSS3 support, plus it's generally faster and more pleasant to use than any of the others. It's not perfect (but what is), but it's definitely my browser of choice. For dev stuff I also use FF, but there are some good dev plugins for safari too.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We don't necessarily need Apple Safari for Windows. The KDE people just need to port KHTML to Windows. All we need essentially is a Konqueror-based browser.
To date, not one OS has all three major browser engines [Triton (IE), Mozilla, KHTML] on one system yet... unless you count IE in WINE. Microsoft is never porting IE to GNU/Linux and likely won't port IE to Mac OS X again. The only engine Windows is missing is KHTML. -
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