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- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24If you won't pay $599 for it, then DON'T BUY IT. It's that simple. Why do people think they are owed certain devices at a certain price that *they* think is fair? I also want a new Porsche 911 Turbo, but I would only pay $20K for it. Nobody would pay $125K for it, right?!?
Not everything is a commodity. Some things are actually worth a lot of money. Shocking, I know. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Your hand must get lonely when you're at work.
... oh, crap. I meant to say girlfriend, sorry man. - glasgowm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I went through all your submissions and buried them as spam. Stop Spamming other topics with your links.
- ers35, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Stop reading Digg then and get back to work. Alternatively, if you aren't at work, you have time to use the iPhone.
- KrazyA1pha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"The majority of their revenue (which is hardly at the "piles and piles" level) comes from iTunes."
It's amazing how effortlessly you can pull 'facts' from your ass. - pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You must either be smoking crack, or not have a very good understanding of Apple, Inc. Just because Apple dropped the 'Computer' from its name, doesn't mean they don't make those anymore. Apple is in the very profitable hardware business. iPods and Macs are Apple's main source of revenue. The Music store and their very well-designed software are motivators for people to buy their hardware, not the other way around. And yes, their hardware is not the cheapest around. But that's cause it's very smartly designed, and dammit, it's beautiful.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Uh... lets see here, give any instances of hardware that just stopped working when something new came out? Hell I think even the Apple Newton still works.
As for market need, perhaps you don't need a portable computer with phone capability, but it actually helps a lot of us. - chevyorange, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Its in the Apple section you *****.
- jimbojones1977, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@bigstevec
Wow, are you ever a moron. Since when is the iTunes Store Apple's #1 revenue generator? It's long been common knowledge that it is barely profitable, and only exists to increase iPod sales.
I find that the best strategy is to not spout off about something I know nothing about. You should try it sometime -- you'll look smarter. - InitialDMP5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6well, if you look at screens of the iPhone you will see plenty of extra spaces on the home screen. Apple has not revealed all their is to this phone, and until its in stores and complete, I would not judge it as being "under featured, and slightly overpriced".
I would have to agree with the digger who commented about the RAZR selling like crazy at 300 dollars. I had the moto v600 for 2 years before the RAZR came out. Everything the RAZR did, was in that phone. Moto just repackaged. And if you don't think apple can sell 8 million iPhones, I'm pretty sure there are about that many Mac users just dying to get one of these things. Also walk into any cingular store and you can hear employees talking with customers about snatching up as many as they can and selling them on ebay. So these phones will sell very well.
Also "comparable" smart phones like the 8525 sell for very close to the same price as the iPhone without a contract. And people buy them. Shocking, I know...
don't let a lack of funds turn you into an angry person that tries to convince people who do have the means to buy a product, not to buy it. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"majority of revenues comes from iTunes"
lol. Ballmer, is that you? - wafflesomd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This story is about as useful as the study saying the iphone is too expensive.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I see what you did there.
- fishtracker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10I gotta agree with the sentiment. No one does hardware as well as apple. Say what you will be the ipod has been a resounding success.
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7When will the business press stop cutting Apple so much slack?
When they stop making piles and piles and piles of money. Say what you want about the product, the stock is gold and the company is profitable. That might not stroke you the right way, but QQ muffin, them's the breaks. - pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Cult of personality? Absolutely. But you know what? If you have a CEO with vision and the balls to follow through on it, conventions be damned, you're going to obviously be a very high profile personality, especially when your ballsy moves turn out to be successful. Does he take advantage of it? Sure, but who wouldn't? Does it serve to make Apple a force to be reckoned with? Of course, and that can only be good for the company. Granted, there is one caveat: when he eventually either steps down or dies, there will be a huge vacuum at Apple. But that won't happen anytime soon, I don't think.
Mistakes from the 80's? I don't think so. Let's review, becuase you obviously have a knowleedge gap where Apple is concerned.
Mistake from the 80's #1: Getting rid of Steve Jobs. Not happening anytime soon.
Mistake # 2: Licencing the Mac OS to other hardware manufacturers. Also not happening anytime soon, as far as I know.
Mistake #3: ignoring the enterprise market. OK, not Apple's strongest sector, I'll give you that, but with the Xserve and a *nix-based OS, they're not quite lagging, either. Xserves have a decnt installed base within the creative industry, particularly as RAID storage for video post houses, and other enterprise-level solutions for the creative industry. Not a major part of their business, but hardly ingnored.
Mistake #4: High hardware prices that alienated first-time buyers. Apple has done a great job at making their price points competittve with similarly spec'ed products. With the advent of the Mini, they've gone into the sub-$1000 market, making Macs more accesible to the first timers. Still not the cheapest machines out there, sure, but then again, BMWs aren't the cheapest cars out there either. You get what you pay for.
As for the stock options 'scandal': Jobs hasn't been implicated, they've been pretty damn up front about the whole thing (which is more than I can say for many Fortune 500 co's), and the investigation isn't over yet, so I'm gonna refrain from opinion until all the facts are in. I suggest you do the same.
This is not to say Apple isn't making mistakes –I'm sure they are (DRM on iTunes comes rto mind, for example)– or that Apple is the perfect company. I'm not drinking that Kool-Aid (although it might sound like it from just this post). But to say that Apple is not a good stock buy, when clearly it's a market leader, an innovator and a trend-setter, not to mention it has a healthy amount of capital in the bank (again, more than I can say for other co's), and a product in the pipeline which looks to perform similarly to their iPod in terms of becoming a market leader (or even a market breaker), strikes me as greatly short sighted and just plain ignorant.
meh. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Plus people rather would stick with Verizon(number one carrier) "
Except for the fact Verizon is the number TWO carrier, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon-iphone_x.htm - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Apple didnt reveal that it was a closed system and that you can not install additional application for it, like Treo with Windows you can."
Well except for Steve Jobs saying it was a closed system, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/2007/01/jobs_on_the_iph.html - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5buttons are for grandpa's
Jeff Han's Multi Touch Screen is the Future!! - Cozmcphish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4nrfx: "Heres a digg with a comment about a digg dugg already on digg !"
How many Diggs could a Digger Digg if a Digger could Digg Duggs? - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Insult me all you want, but if I were an analyst I still wouldn't list Apple as a "buy."
Dude, if you were an analyst, you would know where Apple's majority of revenues came from. How can you possibly make any rational financial decisions if you don't even have the basic facts? - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3not to mention the fact that verizon sucks
do your phones even have bluetooth yet ? - yourabi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It seems apple is usually underestimated, a la DELL, and iPod... Regardless of the fact that the iPhone is slightly under featured, and slightly over priced, it will sell like mad, and apple will be laughing all the way to the bank.
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At the end of the day $600 or should I say $500 is too expensive... having said that if I had the money to spend without thinking - oh my now I've no money left, then I would definitely buy the thing.
I bought a Motorola RAZR on a pay as you go plan (no monthly bills), the phone cost me €230 at the time. Well the phone broke on the second day, it just froze up. I brought it back to the shop and they gave me a new one after much debating and banter. I brought that one home, within two weeks the same thing happened, and I was sick at the time and barely left my house. I'm very cafeful with my stuff and I treated this phone like a piece of glass - yet it froze. Again I brought this one back to the shop (proper shop - main provider in the country). Eventually after nearly having to beat the guy up he gave me another new one. First he wanted to send the phone away for two weeks, and leave me without a phone while they fixed it. I said hell no, and I got my way. The third phone never froze, but the reception was really bad, worse than the secone phone before it froze, but I didn't want to be without this phone for two weeks, that was impossible, so I lived with it. Every 3rd or 4th call ended of it's own accord amid conversation. I ***** hate the RAZR, and not only that but it's as if the interface was designed to be difficult to use on purpose, I had nothing but trouble from the damn thing.
If I had $500 or $600 to blow, I'd get an iPhone in a heartbeat, the thing is child play to use, and not easy to use, but it's the most advanced phone in the world too, and you can watch movies, surf the web on a real browser, do real email etc. etc. That's worth the price of two RAZR's in any lifetime. If it meant not having to go into the shop over and over and over, to me that's worth any amount of money - that's priceless. - democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Anyone referencing an analyst should be shot. Analysts are just paid guessers.
Besides that, the iPhone has been shown to be overpriced and under-featured. It's not a matter of how well some business moron thinks it'll do in the market, it's a matter of who in their right mind would want one. - nartvq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the iPhone is overpriced and overrated. You could do much better for the $600 they want you to shell out.
For instance, you could get a Cingular 8525/HTC TyTN for $400 and get all the functionality that iPhone offers *plus* get 3G HSDPA connectivity and access to thousands of 3rd party apps. Heck, with the $200 you saved, you can add a bluetooth gps and software. Sure, a 8525 doesn't have 8GB onboard memory, but it's got a micro-SD slot (which runs for about $10 for 1GB if you check Newegg).
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=954&gi=1
Food for thought, if you're not stuck on the brand name. - chaosium, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"When I'm not at work all I have time for is school and my girlfriend."
You are by far not the target market for this product. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12All of these forecast are just silly. There is NO WAY IN HELL, a phone that cost $600 can sell 8m unit in it first year. These so call expert are just dumb as dirt. So let me get this straight, the American consumers had been price conscious for 100 years, but all of that will change when they release the iphone? Why do you think America struggle behind Korea, Japan, and Europe in term of consumer electronics? because we're cheap ass people who like to get their cell phones for free lol.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Oh they do but all the good features are locked out because of the universal Verizon OS. If you want to just make calls Verizon is great. Not that any of the services don't have their faults though.
- last_chance, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3the whole fanboy thing is getting pretty old, pretty fast. anyways, the problem with the iPhone is the fact that its an iPhone. If they spent the time and money on something else besides the phone feature and made it more like some kind of small hand-held computer then it might be worth the $600 pricetag.
- sn0re, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5The iPhone is "underestimated"? The thing was being hyped to hell even before it was announced. Real story: Morgan Stanley is upping their prediction of iPhone sales from 6 to 8 million, except Jobs' original plan was 10 million. So they're still saying Jobs is *overestimating*.
Personally, I don't think the 1G iPhone will sell very well at all. It'll burn through the customers who want it because it's new very fast. I think it will however be a success in another sense. After the iPhone sells at $500 a pop to the new adopters, Apple releases a new iPod with most of the same features to sell to all the cheapsakes who have been drooling over their buddy's iPhone. They make the premium off of the few people willing to shell out the cash for an iPhone and make up the volume with iPod sales. - tacocat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I think this story is spam from someone who owns stock in Apple.
- wafflekaffe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Apple fanboys, please calm down. Apple lifted the design from LG, which is *very* similar (check the internets). Apple's not the innovator here, they are copycats. I have no problem with this, except that they didn't give props to LG.
- grouchyman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Couldn't agree more... look back at all the haters when the iPod first came out. They all said $400 was too much for an mp3 player.
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Am I the only one sick of aritcles on iPhone?
Right now it seems like an expensive toy, and I hope it will turn out better than I expect. But can we all just shut the ***** up about iPhone until it's released... please. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2He copied the home screen and not much else. Most of the work apparently went into creating the unlock slider. Did you watch the video?
- bigstevec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dude, if you were an analyst, you would know where Apple's majority of revenues came from. How can you possibly make any rational financial decisions if you don't even have the basic facts?
Actually, no I wouldn't. Apple famously only releases operating profits delineated by region, not product.
Aside from iTunes, how about the other three claims I make, Sparky? They still make you want to buy Apple stock? I'm talking about their stock, remember, the focus of the article, not their products:
They have a cult of personality around their CEO;
They're making the same mistakes they made in the 80's;
The executives have been caught backdating their stock options. - atlanticjeta1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4What SJ did not realize is that button are actually very useful for tactile feedback... heck even the iPod has real buttons. I've had numerous touchscreen phones and they've all sucked. It's feature set is about what you could get from a Nokia phone 3 years ago... it is very likely that it will have an excellent UI - but try writing an e-mail on a touchscreen and the lack of 3G support is going to really kill it. It's summer 2007 not 2003... for something really revolutionary in terms of functionality check the Nokia N95.
- pcharles23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Yeah that razr was and is a piece of crap too! Man i hope the iPhone doesn't have any ***** up's there is a-lot riding on this. With me, when the bluetooth mighty mouse came out i went and got it, But then i realized that i just spent 69 bucks on something i didn't need that was in ways worse then the wired mighty mouse, that i already have. I am not saying that will happen with the iPhone, It just better live up to some of the Hype for (599-599) and a 2 year rape with those hillbillies at cingular.
- phlogiston99, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Morgan Stanly: we're totally unbiased. Please run out and buy more Apple stock. Please do.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"not to mention the fact that verizon sucks...do your phones even have bluetooth yet ?"
My 18 month old phone from Verizon has bluetooth (uncrippled), wi-fi, 3G, an actual keyboard, removable storage (I use a 4GB card), supports many thousands of third party apps (Skype, Sling Player, and TomTom GPS are my favorites), a spare battery, Exchange Server support, a remote desktop app, productivity apps (Word, Excel, etc), an infrared port (and includes a universal remote app), the ability to act as a modem for my laptop, a docking station, and is currently available for $99 with a contract. But I'm sure the iPhone will have all that too, right? - solarstar567, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1These analysts don't tell the truth because its in their best interest to lie to you so people see that Apple is coming out with a great product so people go buy the stock. Don't be surprised if Apple has a say in what Morgan Stanley said, Don't think Steve Jobs in as innocent as you all think.
- cavadela, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2i digged it to come back in a few months and see how off these guys were. i personally think that the iphone is apple hype that sounds so great when announced but then the reality kicks in and it's just the same hardware other guys are using with good eye-candy. microsoft tries to do the same but sucks at eye-candy. i'm appalled on the iphone's wireless tech specs. it's just an apple branded smartphone... too expensive for how useful it is.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Stealthboy.
Great, you've just proved a massive point. By comparing an iPhone to a 911 Turbo, you've just underminded the entire point of the phone.
Apple wants to make a phone that revolutionizes phones for EVERYONE, not the wealthy elite who can afford the shiny luxuries of life.
But you've gone and told us that this phone is for those who want to pay /premium/ for their cellphones -- the elite.
Grand, thanks for completely proving that this cell phone isn't going to sell well. Just look at the 911 Turbo (iPhone) compared to the Honda Accord (Razr or anything else, really). Sure the 911 Turbo is nice if you're rich, but Honda makes a ***** ton more money... - betterth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2No one does hardware as well as apple? You've been smoking the Apple pipe a little too long. I think you mean, "no one does industrial design as well as apple". Because that's all these devices are designed well. Other companies make all the hardware. See intel, seagate, nvidia etc etc.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1 When RAZOR first came out, it could be locked unlocked, housing swapped, batteries exchanged, and could be bought for CDMA or GSM networks, and it was super thin. It was a superb phone. And everybody paid the money cause it was tiny and thin and it had FREEDOM behind it. And I certainly dont remember RAZOR being critisized for the money. Because ultimately RAZOR was cheaper for the money, because when you eliminate 2 year contract agreement, and the fact that you could ulock your phone, you are saving bucks.
I do hear iPhone being critisized. Why? cause people are not ready to take a risk with a TWO year contract for $600. Doest that makes sense? Plus people rather would stick with Verizon(number one carrier) then Cingular that overcharges its customer for the network usage. So you see people understand that iPhone is not RAZOR in many reasons. Ultimately iPhone will cost you much more money than $600. I hope microsoft wont make the same mistake. - jiggawoot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1At $599, that's not much more than my current samsung was when it was new. The new Nokia NSeries are more expensive than that, right? I'm near due for a new phone, and as far as upgrades go, this is looking pretty schweet.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1How exactly, since the iPhone is slated at what, 50$ markup from production costs?
- bigstevec, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Insult me all you want, but if I were an analyst I still wouldn't list Apple as a "buy." I have no confidence Apple has long term growth potential. As I said, they have a cult of personality around their CEO; they're making the same mistakes they made in the 80's and the executives have been caught backdating their stock options.
Go ahead and buy Apple stock if you believe so much in it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1it only makes Jobs look good. You look miserable.
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