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Deal... or lawsuit?

shenanigans.

errr .. it's slightly cheaper, but it's hardly "fraction of the cost".

Pending lawsuit in 3, 2...

I am so sick of all this Psystar babbling - If you want to get OS X on a PC do it the "hard" way using Kalyway and all the other "Hackintosh" possibilities or better yet.

Or if you don't want any hassle - save up and get a "normal" Mac of you choice.

FTA: "He says his credit card processor, PowerPay, locked down his account for processing too many credit cards. When he turned to PayPal, Pedraza says Psystar's account with the online payments specialist was quickly overloaded, too"

I am thinking there is more to this than what is written. A credit card company not letting him process charges because there are too many? I don't think so. Credit card process or make money on each sale. I bet there were too many charge-backs.

Good luck in caught, as much as I want these guys to win this, there's not a chance they will :(

Yeah, but.. who's gonna buy it? Any official support for it? I don't think this will do.

Apple made it because they ship their products on their hardware, this is why they "just run".

It's really not that hard to do yourself

Anything less that the whole price is a fraction nit wit. So many people know how to level to 70 and the spec needed for a boss fight yet.. can't read or comprehend their native language

Ahahah, shut down for processing too many cards? That's a brilliant strategy for a processing company. LIES.

Well if they can do it, maybe i should start my own "hackintosh company" considering i built mine for under $500.00 and its far better than those specs

I wouldn't buy from them. They changed their address on their web site 4 times in less than 4 days. Very strange. I think it is a scam. Just my opinion.

Not your typical new product roll-out. Smells kinda scammy to me. Smart money will wait on the sidelines.

"Pedraza, adding that he's paying retail price for Apple's software every time he installs it on a new machine. "I just want to help Steve Jobs make more money."

This would be true IF Apple made it's money on software. They don't. There is a reason you can get OS X Leopard for $100-$130, and iLife (arguable the best collection of consumer multimedia applications on the market) for a mere $79. Apple's profit margins are in the hardware. They are in the Macs, in the iPods, and in the iPhones.

This company is doing no service to Apple, expect for tarnish whatever reputation it has for stability by loading OS X on varied or untested hardware. What about when they release a 10.5.x upgrade, the consumer could crash the whole system. What if they try to add X internal hardware component thinking it will just work with Leopard? No, all this really does is create headaches for Apple as people question the "stability" of a OS on hardware it was never designed to run on, with drivers not certified by the OS manufacturer. That is fine for the Windows ecosystem, but not for OS X or the Mac.

It might not last but it is a good idea. I want to get OS X on an Eee PC myself. But if Apple made something like that it would have to cost 2-3K. With recession continuing, Apple would do well to take heed of the growing interest in things like this and maybe do something kind and responsible. Their perceived obsolescence mastery is only going to go so far when the purse straps get even tighter.

Scam + breach of EULA? Give me a ***** break. Go buy a Mac Mini. It's got Panther pre-installed ($155), Firewire ($50), and it won't require you pay a hefty fine to Apple if you're caught.

As soon as the first box of the first generation is delivered Apple will cripple it in the subsequent OS update.

Mark my ASCII, mofos.

How am I this far down in the comments and no one has yet mentioned the Gizmodo article that was FRONT-PAGED only TWO DAYS AGO about the frequently changing address of the headquarters of this company?

This smells to me like , some 20 something guy has seen that you can load leopard onto a pc and has thought yeah ill sell these, without thinking too much about anything else. it is feasible that he has had problems with payment processing ,if that is the case then it shows the lack of organisation or forethought involved in the venture. more likely that he has severe cash flow problems and or is trying to build these things himself or with 'his brother' and can only turn out 20-50 a day.

That happened with us also. The problem is that the merchant account will have to handle "charge-backs", and they simply want to make sure you are legit first. BIG merchant accounts usually go with companies that do volume for years (or online porn, offshore accounts that take a huge cut in order to keep their mouth shut).
It's completely believable.

I'll believe it when they start shipping. Anyone here remember CherryOS?

wow, wonder how this keeps going, for something that doesn't exist.

Dont know why this is 'news' to anyone.
This guy can't legally sell these machines...I believe there is a clause in the osx eula that states osx can only be installed on apple computers.
To make it worse, this is still a hacintosh and based on the osx86 project (I believe) so to upgrade to a point release (or even a service pack I believe) means more hacking. So...is this still worth the low cost?
The only people who would want to buy these are the ones lacking the knowledge to do it themselves - so how does one expect to maintain it?

Yeah, when Apple is forced to crack down on the Hackintosh community because these jackasses are making a profit off of it, you'll know where to send your thank you letters. Unless they keep changing their address twice a week.

I guess it was just a matter of time before someone cashed in on it.

I'm pretty sure it's got Leopard, not Panther. I'm pretty sure no Mac Mini in history has ever shipped with Panther.

Didn't Gizmondo just do an article where they visited the Psystar HQ and it was ...crap?

"At a fraction of the cost of a comparably equipped machine from Apple [...]"

Sigh. Apparently Forbes didn't actually do any research. The Psystar computer is not that much cheaper compared to a Mac mini directly from Apple, and it's pretty comparable except that the Psystar offering has twice as much RAM. If you add in the cost of Leopard and iLife (which are included with a Mac mini, but *not* with a Psystar computer), it comes out to $607 compared to $799 for a similar Mac mini.

So the "fraction" is 3/4, but when you write "at a fraction of the cost", it usually implies a fraction of "1/4" or so. It's pretty misleading. Also, for the difference, you lose the ability to have reliable Software Updates that won't break your machine.

He will get sued. And Apple has all the right to.

Will Apple step up and give us something like the before feature Mac Pro Mini (http://www.applegazette.com/mac-mini/mac-mini-mac- ... but real? All I want is one lousy PCI express slot. Just one. This company proves there is plenty of interest for a Core Duo 2 based system with discrete graphics.

I always figured that allowing OSX to run on PC's would be Jobs ace in the hole. If Apple ever got into trouble or when it is the right time they would release a PC version and make millions

Yes.. and it runs phenominally well - my rig is currently a core2duo e6600 @ 3ghz, 8 gig ddr2-800 ram, 1.5 tb sata drive space, dfi blood iron p35 motherboard, thermaltake soprano rs case, 850 watt ocz gamestream psu, pioneer 212d sata optical, nvidia 7950gt, multiple monitor/ qe/ci works like a charm, one going to a 22" lcd, the other to a 42" plasma for movies. Running 10.5.2/9.2.2 vanilla leopard with strings.

Theres your shopping list, go have fun.

If anything I hope that apple actually sits up and takes notice of these psystar guys and makes the ' missing ' mac. A shuttle sized, headless unit thats upgradeable with some common pc parts, If not we're just going to make hackintosh's for ourselves.

Oh, btw.. netkas, dense and the rest of the osx86 community are pretty furious at psystar.

Mac-Clone man about to meet some inmates soon after Apple gets done with him.

people don't buy expensive macs for the software, they buy them for the hardware, this "Psystar" might have the same software, but i'm sure the hardware sucks.

Agreed, let's see how quickly Apple can kill this one. Hopefully before it gets out of hand. I REALLY don't want to see a *****-ton of Mac Clones out on the market: This originality is the reason I got a Mac in the first place.

Why would there be a lawsuit? the system is not hacking Mac in any way.... it is a hardware sound workstation that has all the components needed to run OSX.. quoted from the website "The Ability to run an unmodified version of OSX Leopard 10.5"

Did anyone in their right mind think that this was ever anything other than a scam????

Why would this be a scam? It's just some startup building custom pc's with parts anyone can get on newegg. Big deal, do it yourself and save even more money. Plenty of tutorials out there on how to get OSX installed.

I find their use of what looks like the Antec P180 case kinda funny.

Hellox, actually this problem is quite common, having a limit of what you can charge is a pain for growing businesses. I've been through it with J-List, and currently have 4+ different accounts so I can spread the love around to different banks when sales spike, and keep them from worrying that I'm doing something wrong just because I'm selling 2x the number of Domo-kun T-shirts this month than last month. Or Hello Kitty vibrators.

Hey look! Another macophile circle jerk! Jerk, jerk, jerk it you idiot macophiles!

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I am hoping this nudges Apple to put out something in between the mac pro and the imac. I really don't need all the power of the Mac Pro, but I want to be able to use my own monitiors, upgrade the hard drive and RAM and have an extra PCI Slot.

There are several reasons to own a Mac over a Hackintosh. First the esthetics, Mac are just better built than your average PC, they look and function better. They are supported verses no support. If I really wanted the same problems that I had with PCs for 15 years, I simply could have built a Hackintosh myself for even less money.

I still don't understand why you'd buy a PC from psystar? All they do is sell you a normal beige PC which you can get anywhere near your home and Leopard DVD. The only service is they install one of the hacked versions you can download instead of installing your DVD (which I presume won't installed unless they have a magic bios that makes Leopard believe it's a true mac).

So why would people go with them? They're not offering support , AFAIK. It's just a plain good old pc box with the promise of installing Leopard on it.

Apple should embrace the idea and make mac open

That is what i don't get about apple if they want to make inroads into MS domination, surly the easiest way to go is to get people first to use there OS, then if they like it next time they hardware upgrade they will buy a mac.
Call me dumb but is there some thing being hidden here that the average consumer knows ***** all about.
I am no I.T whizz but i know when I smell *****.

There is no market for a Mac clone. Pro users won't touch an unsupported machine (plus buying from apple is a nice tax deduction) and the common every day non pro user is attracted to the mac design aesthetic and mac culture. These clones are ugly and useless. If they're not sued out of business, the lack of consumer support will force them out.

I'm afraid that the lawsuits will come not from Apple but from cheated customers.

The only problem here is for the consumer. Apple will not support it's software on 3rd party hardware. If the end-user has a software problem, they are screwed. 3 party software will also deny support.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2451693776_6ec ...

even though they came out with that new "mac clone" i don't see how it will go over well. you wont see me for one giving my credit card information away to this sketchy guy