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- ttfadia, on 04/20/2008, -9/+36Isn't any price other than Apple's (even higher) a "fraction" of it?
- inactive, on 04/20/2008, -16/+42FTA: "He says his credit card processor, PowerPay, locked down his account for processing too many credit cards. When he turned to PayPal, Pedraza says Psystar's account with the online payments specialist was quickly overloaded, too"
I am thinking there is more to this than what is written. A credit card company not letting him process charges because there are too many? I don't think so. Credit card process or make money on each sale. I bet there were too many charge-backs. - dood, on 04/20/2008, -1/+27When you get a merchant account, you're only allowed to charge up to a certain amount. You can request more, of course, and they'll review and probably grant the request, but they won't set you up with an unlimited account.
Some relevant blog post: http://www.businessknowhow.com/blog/2005/11/check_ ... - manitoba98xp, on 04/20/2008, -0/+26If you want to be that technical, 1/1 is also a fraction.
- rosenblut, on 04/20/2008, -3/+23I have nothing against choice - but against this company. I am totally for osx86 etc etc. but heck you can do it for free and don't need this company to do so.
But again - once you put OS X on a "normal" PC you will run into probs sooner or later, simply because the updates will brake it some day. The reason Steve doesn't release OSX to the "world" is simply. Macs have limited components - just imagine what would happen if OSX would have to cope with millions of different configs. It would probably have alot of the same probs that Windows has. - Matt2k, on 04/20/2008, -0/+19You have no idea what you are talking about. A newly started business that starts charging hundreds of thousands of dollars on their merchant account out of the door is going to throw up every fraudulent red flag you can imagine.
- shuckl4k, on 04/20/2008, -3/+21shenanigans.
- rosenblut, on 04/20/2008, -10/+27I am so sick of all this Psystar babbling - If you want to get OS X on a PC do it the "hard" way using Kalyway and all the other "Hackintosh" possibilities or better yet.
Or if you don't want any hassle - save up and get a "normal" Mac of you choice. - scubajim, on 04/20/2008, -1/+17I wouldn't buy from them. They changed their address on their web site 4 times in less than 4 days. Very strange. I think it is a scam. Just my opinion.
- inactive, on 04/20/2008, -1/+16Well if they can do it, maybe i should start my own "hackintosh company" considering i built mine for under $500.00 and its far better than those specs
- purzzzell, on 04/20/2008, -4/+19How am I this far down in the comments and no one has yet mentioned the Gizmodo article that was FRONT-PAGED only TWO DAYS AGO about the frequently changing address of the headquarters of this company?
- DesireCampbell, on 04/20/2008, -0/+14'Caught'? Is that supposed to be 'court'? That is the thickest Boston accent ever.
- iamanorange, on 04/20/2008, -1/+14It's really not that hard to do yourself
- CheeseburgerBro, on 04/20/2008, -2/+15As soon as the first box of the first generation is delivered Apple will cripple it in the subsequent OS update.
Mark my ASCII, mofos. - catachip, on 04/20/2008, -1/+13Yikes, Panther was released like 5 years ago. OS 10.3
Of course, you meant Leopard. Kind of like me writing a check with April 16, 2007 the other day. We've got to stop living in the past. - inactive, on 04/20/2008, -2/+13But the OpenPC will probably break on every single patch to Leo.
- mattluiz, on 08/28/2009, -2/+13Deal... or lawsuit?
- Natfly, on 04/20/2008, -1/+10Please go back to sniffing your farts
- Labourer, on 04/20/2008, -0/+9This smells to me like , some 20 something guy has seen that you can load leopard onto a pc and has thought yeah ill sell these, without thinking too much about anything else. it is feasible that he has had problems with payment processing ,if that is the case then it shows the lack of organisation or forethought involved in the venture. more likely that he has severe cash flow problems and or is trying to build these things himself or with 'his brother' and can only turn out 20-50 a day.
- exxon, on 04/20/2008, -0/+8Merchant fraud is the biggest problem there is in credit card processing a merchant like Psystar can take a processor for millions in a couple of days
- djjuice, on 04/20/2008, -0/+8I'll believe it when they start shipping. Anyone here remember CherryOS?
- rayray14, on 04/20/2008, -0/+8Both.
- catachip, on 04/20/2008, -2/+9The argument at first makes sense, but, isn't really valid. Firstly, Apple's software and hardware market share are both relatively small (about 8% world wide, or closer to 15% in the U.S.), yet they manage to make billions of dollars in profit (record revenues and sales increases in the last quarter actually). Secondly, Apple is not about creating a mass market, run-on-anything, operating system. Their philosophy is a top to bottom "lifestyle solution" to computing. It is very different from other PC manufacturers and companies such as Microsoft, which are all about mix and match consumer choice. Apple is able to maintain quality control and stability of its platform by tying hardware to software.
Jobs will never allow OS X to be ported to non Apple machines. It wouldn't be aesthetically consistent with the ecosystem Apple tries to convey. That is, software and hardware that uses elegant solutions to solve problems, running on elegant-looking hardware. This is not what many consumers want - that is, a box that will run whatever they want whenever they want, regardless of the hiccups that may occur along the way. Jobs is fine being a boutique computer manufacturer, and by sales and market share growth, many consumers are too. - thewump, on 04/20/2008, -2/+9What do you mean opposed to choice? You can get macbooks in different colors now.. how much more choice do you need?
- daviddiaz, on 04/20/2008, -1/+8it's more than just twice as big.
- inactive, on 04/20/2008, -0/+7Because that's not their business strategy? They choose to do it the way they do it, and it's working for them. Not making a sizable profit on the software isn't a bad thing, since you generally need to purchase their hardware to run the software. And, I'm a good example of this, running OS X on a hackintosh tends to lead people towards purchasing actual Apple hardware.
- RawCoyote, on 04/20/2008, -1/+8Not your typical new product roll-out. Smells kinda scammy to me. Smart money will wait on the sidelines.
- flashback99, on 04/20/2008, -1/+8What makes you think this product is aimed at Apple users? People who use Windows but cannot afford to shell out for Apple hardware are clearly the target here.
- ZombieSociety, on 04/20/2008, -4/+11Sure it is. A large fraction.
- MLisa, on 04/20/2008, -0/+6Sorry Raveler - It is you who needs to read closer.
- arizonagroove, on 04/20/2008, -0/+6Get court, go to caught...?
- tsctsc, on 04/20/2008, -6/+12Pending lawsuit in 3, 2...
- monkeyrun, on 04/20/2008, -17/+23errr .. it's slightly cheaper, but it's hardly "fraction of the cost".
- shadowspawn, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5That happened with us also. The problem is that the merchant account will have to handle "charge-backs", and they simply want to make sure you are legit first. BIG merchant accounts usually go with companies that do volume for years (or online porn, offshore accounts that take a huge cut in order to keep their mouth shut).
It's completely believable. - dood, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5It happens all the time. Banks put limits on merchant accounts for the same reason they put limits on credit cards, to limit their exposure to risk. However, you usually just ask for a higher limit. I don't know why they'd deny you, unless there are other factors not yet disclosed in the media.
- subterfuge, on 04/20/2008, -2/+7"i" is a letter, so no.
- dmcbride6, on 04/20/2008, -1/+6Dont know why this is 'news' to anyone.
This guy can't legally sell these machines...I believe there is a clause in the osx eula that states osx can only be installed on apple computers.
To make it worse, this is still a hacintosh and based on the osx86 project (I believe) so to upgrade to a point release (or even a service pack I believe) means more hacking. So...is this still worth the low cost?
The only people who would want to buy these are the ones lacking the knowledge to do it themselves - so how does one expect to maintain it? - inactive, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5Yeah, when Apple is forced to crack down on the Hackintosh community because these jackasses are making a profit off of it, you'll know where to send your thank you letters. Unless they keep changing their address twice a week.
- gutistg, on 04/20/2008, -1/+6"i" is a number.
- Funkly, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5rember paypal shut down somethingawful for raising to much money too quick for katrina Victims..
/or something like that - amirman, on 04/20/2008, -0/+4an imaginary what?
- blackjack75, on 04/20/2008, -0/+4Actually I don't think you know how to compare the specs fairly. Mac Pros only come with Xeons processors which have a much larger cache and are horribly expensive (and not worth it to me). If you take the exact same hardware specs and compare them with say Dell machines you'll find the Apple machines are more expensive indeed but by a rather reasonable margin.
I still think Apple should offer the possiblity to buy a plain "mac" tower. I want a simple Core Duo CPU, not a Xeon, a upgradeable box that could be used for gaming and still run OSX legally and look as nice as a real mac does. - inkswamp, on 04/20/2008, -1/+5> apple users will never go for this
Speak for yourself.
I've been using and buying Macs for 15+ years, and I *would* buy a non-Apple computer if it suited my needs. In fact, I may have to do exactly that to get what I want. For the first time in 15 years, Apple offers nothing that suits my needs. Look at their line-up right now. They have been gaining mind and market share and their offerings are pathetic. I have my choice between an overpriced collection of leftover circa 2006 components called the Mac Mini or a more reasonably priced all-in-one iMac that comes with a low-quality, annoyingly glossy screen and hasn't been updated in 9 months, neither of which is acceptable to me. Since Apple offers no built-to-order options for the iMac's awful display and since they have no headless Macs that won't drain my bank account, I might have to look elsewhere. - simX, on 04/20/2008, -2/+6"At a fraction of the cost of a comparably equipped machine from Apple [...]"
Sigh. Apparently Forbes didn't actually do any research. The Psystar computer is not that much cheaper compared to a Mac mini directly from Apple, and it's pretty comparable except that the Psystar offering has twice as much RAM. If you add in the cost of Leopard and iLife (which are included with a Mac mini, but *not* with a Psystar computer), it comes out to $607 compared to $799 for a similar Mac mini.
So the "fraction" is 3/4, but when you write "at a fraction of the cost", it usually implies a fraction of "1/4" or so. It's pretty misleading. Also, for the difference, you lose the ability to have reliable Software Updates that won't break your machine. - EtherGnat, on 04/20/2008, -1/+5I couldn't care less what you like. I don't mean to sound rude, but your preferences are none of my business. The point is everybody has different needs, and Apple supplies a very limited number of choices. Apple has huge holes in their product offerings, and if third parties can fill those holes more power to them.
- Matt2k, on 04/20/2008, -0/+4"What's up?" is actually a question about what is above your head
And "Turn of phrase" means you actually write down what you said and flip it around
And "arming the system" means you use your arm
>can't read or comprehend their native language
And people who pretend they're clever by intentionally being obtuse are annoying - inactive, on 04/20/2008, -0/+4I actually was introduced to OS X through OSX86. I ran Tiger on a Dell laptop that had issues with XP. If I still had it, it would probably run Vista, but not much else. It was a P4-m 1.7 (I think) with 2 gigs of RAM. I installed Tiger on it and was blown away by how well the OS ran on hardware it wasn't designed for. 3 months later I bought a Macbook Pro and now I'm saving up to replace my desktop (that I built, C2D 1.86, 4 gigs of RAM, over 1.25TB and an 8800GTS) with a Mac Pro. I do run Leopard on it, so I'm not in a huge hurry, though.
- Steeple, on 04/20/2008, -1/+5more work, missing 3rd party support.
osx86 is linux for guys who want photoshop - LunaticFringe, on 04/20/2008, -2/+6I paid $300 for a Black Friday Compaq and loaded Ubuntu on it.
If I had bought a comparable computer from Apple? About $1200. - chikara8, on 04/20/2008, -3/+7Maxing out Psystar's top model makes it come close to the specs of the Mac Pro i just bought and it comes to half the price of what I paid...refurbished.
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