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- Alfdog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+54Haven't we reached the point where useful features/addons are greater than .005 increases in load times?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42He only said the fastest, not best. Fine, digg me down.
- Joshuarr, on 10/12/2007, -14/+42
- KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33They should've benchmarked their servers first.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22"Conclusion: Omniweb is the fastest by far."
And this is being dugg down for what reason exactly? According to the article the statement is true, OmniWeb simply blows every other Mac browser away in the speed department. It's almost twice as fast at loading a website as Safari, the next fastest browser. - livesNbox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25must be running on an xserve G5
- SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I couldn't even tell what the units were in the measurements...
Omniweb is 0.2 faster than Firefox's 1.28! Hell yeah! - SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20...I realized neither post was actually funny or important. So never mind. :D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20These kinds of benchmarks are just bogus. It's about the UI, not about a web page loads 0.04s faster.
I've been a long-time supporter of the Mozilla project. On Windows, I actually jumped from Netscape Communicator 4.7 to Mozilla 0.6, and skipped Internet Explorer altogether.
Firefox on OS X has some unfortunate problems, however. The OS X version just doesn't receive the same amount of attention that the Windows version receives, and as a result there's quite a few highly visible problems with Firefox OS X. The Windows version used to have a lot of these kinds of nasty bugs as well, but most have been fixed long ago.
There's no perfect browser. I use Firefox for a few select tasks for which it performs better, like Google Reader, but 95% of my general browsing is done in Safari, which when combined with PithHelmet and Inquisitor extensions, is the best browser on any platform, in my option. Its bookmark and history searching and management can't be beat. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15WordPress benchmarked...can't handle actual Internet loads, sent back to minors.
- jsandman32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Me (looks around): Guess Katy must have left while you made your snarky, unproductive comment, on a thread you weren't forced to read.
- macintalk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Noone is doing a layout with 2,500 divs, it's just a test to gauge real-world css rendering performance...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -33/+44Conclusion: Omniweb is the fastest by far.
- tastyterrorist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12They should have tested BonEcho as well. http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2007/02/24/firefox-2002
If not optimized builds, then a custom user.js with some speed tweaks as well. - tsctsc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15***** WordPress
- jsandman32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Its ok, you can lash out at me if it helps ease the pain of Katy sneaking out.
- realsurreal2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Well done. You've posted a link to a mirror of an error message
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"Haven't we reached the point where useful features/addons are greater than .005 increases in load times?"
If by .005 you mean 4.5 seconds faster at loading identical websites than Firefox. Or does .005 reference OmniWeb loading images 10 times faster than Firefox? I think it's more likely that .005 is something you pulled out of your ass, try taking a basic math class sometime. - SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7A similar test: "For the CSS render test, we timed how long it took every browser to render the Ars Technica homepage."
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8What nasty bugs on the OSX build? I use Firefox on OSX daily, and I don't have any problems with it. It seems to be the same as the Windows version. The only thing you can't do is enable smooth scrolling. Other then that, it behaves like any other MacOS app, it renders pages nice and quick, and it can use all the same preferences and settings as my Windows version.
I mean, I think Safari is a fine browser, but there's more problems with that then there is with FireFox. - bertram, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"For the CSS render test, we timed how long it took every browser to render 2,500 div elements to get an idea of how fast it would take, on average, to load a CSS layout."
Who are these hacks that are doing a layout with 2,500 frickin' DIVs?! - theblueprint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dugg for the link to the WebKit nightly builds. I haven't tried them before, but the article piqued my interest.
The link, since the site's down: http://nightly.webkit.org/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There's no perfect browser. Different browsers perform differently with different sites. Use the browser that performs best with the sites you visit most often.
- macintalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Chill out guys. iCab wasn’t included because it crashed on the test suite, so we don’t have a way to compare it to the other browsers.
- mikepictor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There are times I'd like to try spending more time with Omniweb, but with so many excellent free browsers, they just aren't going to convince me it's worth paying for.
- elpepe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I used omniweb for a while... but I just couldn't deal with it. Too many useless features.
Safari is best for everyday browsing, but it hangs up on some pages with Ajax. Also, try loading a 400-comment digg page in safari...if you like beach balls.
Firefox is useful in the Dock for the occasional page that Safari can't handle. Even optimized for my G5, Firefox is damned slow. - chrislee149, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6So... why exactly would you need that many different browsers open at the same time, again?
- toasterwaffle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Aww Camino is my faaaavouriiite :( *pout*
- renegadeafk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well that died incredibly fast
- adc86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That's what she said.
- Bartboy919, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Wow, thats great, but also seem to miss the fact that their are more browsers for OS X then just firefox, Opera, Safari, Omniweb and Camino. Hell, IE can be put on OS X!
- macintalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3elpepe: that's why I tested WebKit in the article, it's a version of Safari with a tweaked WebCore engine. It doesn't hang on AJAX/Javascript-heavy pages like Safari does.
- Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is still a synthetic test. You could imagine a browser with i.e. a memory management that is blowing the competition out of the water for up to 2000 elements, but then degrades sharply below the competition. If 99% of real-world web pages contain less than 2000 elements, a performance test with 2500 elements does not give a useful advise.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Who cares about performance? I mean, who runs 2500 CSS sheets on their web page?
I never found Firefox to be noticeably slower then anything else. - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Congratulations on tracking down Mosaic, though. I'm surprised it even runs.
- Katarn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A case of quantity exceeding quality? I don't know, but really, I don't think having more browsers is very useful.
- zebesian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I use camino all the time. I switched from safari because of digg. It loads the pages so slow in safari but it is nearly instant with camino.
- joe2100, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10I find these results odd because I find camino to be much faster overall. From launch of the app to the loading of web content, camino is the fastest on my MacBook. I can't say this about omniweb because I have yet to use it.
- eam52guy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just like if I wanted to compare the speed of two pocket calculators at trig, i wouldn't type 'cos 34 =' and try and judge the imperceptible differences with a stopwatch, I'd do (sin1)^lots which would take seconds and so show up any speed differences a lot better.
- bertram, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Macintalk: how is it 'real world' if no one uses 2,500 DIVs in a layout? You state you used it to see how long an average layout would take to render, but no average layout uses that many DIVs.
- uppedbyhiggins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Also, try loading a 400-comment digg page in safari...if you like beach balls."
This is why I went to firefox. Unfortunately, it isn't much better (although the extensions can be nice, but a bit of an overload). - spliffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1when i tested webkit, saft was disabled and so was my ad blocking stylesheet. i never noticed the flash banners on digg before. looks pretty awful.
- spliffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1are you sure it's wordpress? not the hosting plan? why do people keep saying this?
also not to correct you, but isn't wordpress the only thing about this page that could be remotely considered web 2.0?
why even use terms like 2.0? - Hoodwinker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WebKit nightly has no problem with a 400 comment page on Digg that I always encountered with Safari.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2WordPress: making Web 2.0 suck even more, one website at a time.
- jtrwallace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i just recently switched from safari to omniweb and i have to say its the best browser out there. firefox may have all those cute extensions... but they make the program slow to start up. even without the extensions firefox start up time is wayyy slower than all the others. i would say camino starts the fastest and looks the best but omniweb is very intuitive, obviously loads pages faster, and has the ability to do per-site preferences such as: Identify to web servers and scripts as: (whichever browser you want). also the live thumbnail preview side panel tabs. seriously give it a try.
- andyukguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2But omniweb uses the webkit engine: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/developer/
...so how can it be so much faster than the latest webkit nightly? I'm skeptical. - gettarat, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1The graphs don't hurt either.
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http://icases.biz - rino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ahhhh andyukguy -- the first of these noobz to realize this conundrum!
I'd wager a bet that it's all about cacheing and other stuff like that. Perhaps a tweak on the Debug menu would take care of this, perhaps not. - Hooj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People aren't paying for only Safari. There is actually a whole OS that comes with it.
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