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- aquax, on 10/27/2007, -8/+41@soulbutterlove
If you have a 10k RPM drive, then you have a desktop, and therefore aren't relevant to the article.
@soccerboy
Your average Mac contains the same exact hard drive that your average PC uses. There's no special "Apple drives" or anything.
And come on, this is a tech news site. You should at least understand that MAC = Machine Address Code, and Mac = Macintosh. - jtravis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18or MAC could be Media Access Control...
but this is a tech site, not that we shouldnt all know that... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16why does this only apply to macbook pros?
all laptops have increased performance with 7200rpm hard drives. - lfcfan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Based on the article, it really depends on what you plan on doing with your computer. To me, the 7200 RPM drive would be worth the money if you planned on doing a lot of video/audio editing. Ultimately, the worst that can happen if you go with the 5400 RPM drive is you have to wait longer for your video to render, which isn't always the worst thing in the world.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13hey macsrpoop, this is a tech site. Macs are computers. hence it's on Digg...
I can't understand why the machaters bother even looking at apple posts, much less pollute the comments. Mac users are pretty much immune to your type of childish comments- we've been enduring them for YEARS
In answer to your question- anyone intersted in buying a MBP would probably like to read the article... get it? - aoeuhtns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11yes, the article is definitely missing a battery life comparison
- gert2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10If you're not doing any power-use stuff, you should get a 5400, cause it takes less battery.
- monkeybutler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10But the article doesnt say anything about noise and battery life. 7200rpm drives are usually louder and more power hungry and thats why I prefer 5400's.
If I want a fast HDD for heavy duty work then I'd be plugged in at a desk with an external drive. But if i'm travelling i'd trade maximum battery life with a slower drive over an ultra-fast email-caching 7200rpm drive. - Rigbymatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+115400rpm system drive
if you work with large files get a FW800 expresscard and drive - krakelohm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Laptops brotha... we be talkin about laptops.
- s0ny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It basically says the same thing that Ive been doing for years. I have the stock 5400 rpm drive, and anyone who is doing large video editing on a powerbook/macbook pro is going to be using an external drive, which is the CLEAR winner when using FW800.
- ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7But it is true that Apple overcharges for the hard drive. I checked. Consider a Macbook pro with a standard 80GB 5400 RPM hard drive, it is standard and costs nothing extra. If you want a 100GB 7200RPM drive it'll cost you an extra $200. At newegg the cost of this drive is $200, the same as the extra cost you are paying on top of the money you've already paid for the standard 80GB 5400 RPM.
Why pay $200 extra for one hard drive, when you can get the standard 80GB and buy another 100GB at 7200 RPM? - alexdagrate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm glad they pointed out that removing FW800 was a dumb idea.
And no, I don't buy the "But you can just use the card slot for that" BS. - mucnix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If you're not doing any "power-use stuff" then you should probably wait for the Intel version of the iBook (MacBook) anyway.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"I have a 10,000 rpm drive and my computer boots up in about 20 seconds. I say it's worth it."
I reboot my Powerbook maybe once a month at most. Not sure if I'd base purchase decisions on boot speeds these days when machines rarely need to be booted to begin with.
"PC components are way cheaper."
Huh? Apple isn't using some magical Apple Hard Drives in their laptops. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"You reboot your LAPTOP once a month? I bet typing on that thing is like touching fire."
I reboot my iBook G4 once a month or so after updates, just close the top and it goes in suspend mode. HD doesnt spin, everything is cool to the touch after a while, just like when you power it off. - Fridrik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Quite to the contrary, the conclusion was that the 7200rpm was not significantly faster on the MacBook Pro as far as booting and other regular operations are concerned.
- omnivector, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have the 7200 rpm disk in my macbook, and i can definitely say it's WELL worth it. I also have a 10k rpm disk in my powermac at home, so the more disk speed the merrier.
- chaos86, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7to settle this debate without hostility
MAC = an acronym which can stand for different things depending on the context
Mac = a shortened version of the word Macintosh - Machine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4CDs and DVDs will rip and burn faster with a faster drive as well.
Not that I'm saying that I do that... :) - CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"You just put the laptop to sleep, and it doesn't overheat, huh?"
I put my wife's Powerbook to sleep, and only reboot it when installing OS updates. While asleep it uses almost no power and certainly doesn't overheat.
I'm pretty sure modern Windows laptops can do the same. - Fridrik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4People usually don't mind the battery that much when buying the computer. But thinking in terms of your computer after a few years your battery life will be significantly shorter on a 7200rpm computer.
- whiteV6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4aaaa Site Down is there a another link ??
- wernst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I generally use pretty old notebooks - PIII @ 800 vintage. They usually come with 4200 RPM drives, but occasionally you'll see a 5400 RPM unit in there. For my most recent hard drive purchase, I bought a 7200 RPM drive to replace a 5400 RPM unit in an Armada e500 notebook.
The difference really was like night and day. In many ways, (like how long it takes to boot, or load Firefox with a jillion extensions) the old machine with a 7200 RPM hard drive is FASTER than most of my clients' brand new notebooks.
Honestly, your computer hits the hard drive for stuff millions of times a day. There's no way that the benefits of a 7200 RPM drive won't add up. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'll wait for a Firewire800 to return before I go MacBook Crazy. Either that or an External SATA connector.
- roguepirate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5One test that wasn't done was the difference in battery life between a 7200 and 5400 rpm hard drive. The slight performance increase woudn't be worth it if it kills the battery life by a half hour.
- aquax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No FW800 on a MBP. Unfortunate for those who want to do what you're talking about.
- jonecat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think that would be a nice addition to laptops, an external SATA connector. They have some nice RAID arrays that would be nice to plug into when you have the machine on your desk. Here is some that I found:
http://store.satahd.com/8-Drive.htm - wbeck85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Killing off firewire? In favor of USB, or some other new and redundant "standard" that Mac thinks will make them special? Do you have a reference?
Note: I'm not criticizing you, though my inquisition does sound like an interrogation. I'm just curious to read a bit more about it. - chevyorange, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6They do it on Mac laptops because it works and they can.
- JamesGHill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In talking with a number of people, I decided to not upgrade the hard drive in my MacBook for both the reasons in the article and battery concerns. Now, regardless of brand, any laptop used for heavy graphics editing or gaming should get a 7200RPM drive.
To me, the more interesting question is "Why did Apple abandon FW800?" Could they be trying to move people away from the technology? Was it just not an option when selecting chipsets? It would be interesting to know the answer.
(Also, Pockey, I know of no 10K RPM drives for notebooks. I put a Raptor drive in a HTPC I built about two years ago and it is very nice.) - theblackgecko, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6If video editing is such a processor intensive / hard drive intensive task, why are people doing it on laptops?
- frank3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3no, 7200 is the max
y would you want more anyway, as if battery life isn't short enough already - milkfilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4'Anyone can speak Troll,' said Fred dismissively, 'all you have to do is point and grunt.'
- cypherz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@macsrpoop
*PLONK* sound of me blocking macsrpoop - slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd rather have an eSata port over an FW800 port any day. If only they included that one.
- jonecat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Most of the tests that I have seen report that USB drive solutions are dramtically slower than FW400 in most cases. The problem seems to be that USB can't sustain I/O.
Here is an article on it:
http://www.barefeats.com/fire26.html - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -1/+320-second boot time?
I get around 10-15 using a 5400rpm. - zakharm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2does it run hotter with the 7200?
- Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@goat4
because this is digg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Um... yeah. I think the difference MIGHT be the speed at which the platters rotate.
- lightningrod220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't block Macsrpoop. Keep him unblocked so that you can bury every single comment he makes, regardless of what he says.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hard drive speed shouldn't affect filters in PS... every thing's stored in RAM for that, surely? I can't see why any task that doesn't involve heavy IO (loading large files, writing large files - video editing is a very good example of this) would benefit noticeably from a faster HD.
- rjespo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're wrong because different systems respond differently to faster components. For instance, AMD64 systems with integrated memory controllers respond to memory speeds a lot differently than Intel systems which use a bus. It's important to know how an isolated component affects a laptop's performance because laptops all have different logic boards with their own quirks.
I for one was very happy to see this comparison, as I plan to buy a MacBook Pro later this year and was considering the 7200 RPM drive. I will be getting it, btw. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3speaking as one of the people who went with the 7200 RPM drive, battery life is still very good. Not claiming to be a rocket scientist here, but wouldn't the most energy be consumed while the drive initially spins up? keeping the drive moving would not consume as much energy, making me think the difference in battery life would not be significant.
Please keep in mind my knowledge of hard disks is pretty limited, and from what I do know, I'd like to keep it that way. - Kaveh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does it really? I believe i read somewhere that the difference was like point five Watts.
- jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They are called SAS for Serial Attached SCSI. 2.5" form factor, 15KRPM, 1.8ms latency, 300MB/s, about $10 a GB. No one uses it in notebooks because it takes several watts just to spin the disk. I might pay for a desktop replacement laptop with 15KRPM drives though...
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm curious about secret HD option 3, a higher capacity 5400 RPM drive. I don't know all the details about the drive, but if it is higher density it should provide slightly better performance. However, it is only 120 GB versus 100 GB so it may not really matter.
Can't wait for the 160 GB drives with perpendicular recording though!
On a related note, check out my MacBook Pro Benchmarks for more details on the new systems:
http://www.craigtheguru.com/reports/MacBook_Pro_Performance_Analysis.php - WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because you're not always editing video. Some of us like to have a usable laptop with acceptable battery life as well as a portable editing station...
- dcarpenter85, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I dont understand why this article is beeing dugg in the first place. It is common sense.. if you are working with files off of your hard drive and quick data transfer/flow is crucial in the app you are running (photoshop, games, video/audio editing) then a faster RPM will benefit you. Faster RPM's will generate more heat which may not be desirable in the already hot MacBook Pro's.
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