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Leopard successfully run on non-Apple hardware [arstechnica]

arstechnica.com — Enterprising hackers have succeeded in dual booting Leopard and Vista on ordinary PC hardware. But the hack is (obviously) illegal, and not for the faint of heart.

Who dugg this? Made popular Aug 14, 2007

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  • tholder, on 10/10/2007, -14/+34The description of this digg post is a total fabrication... Vista won't run on ordinary PC hardware! ;)
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19meager? I didn't know 30-50% margins were meager.
  • usrlocalbin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17http://coolblog.profit42.com/2007/08/09/dual-boot-osx-leopard-with-vista-on-intelamd/

    Link to the actual How-to
  • georgio5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13My friend's running a previous version of OSX on his AMD 4800 on a Quadro FX 3000.. only to use the software Shake... and it runs flawlessly and is blazing fast. Saved him a couple grand!
  • jgcrawfo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Apple's guaranteed stability and reliability is only guaranteed on their machines. It takes away from the integrity of their product to sell their OS for third party hardware and contradicts their long-standing business model of doing everything themselves.
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15When did I claim 50% margins for iMac? It's pretty much common knowledge that Apple has wider profit margins for all their hardware (iPod, iPhone, Apple TV, Macs) than most vendors do. How else can they make so much money if their margins were slim?

    Apple makes money off of hardware, not the software. Anyone who thinks that Apple would become far more profitable and successful going the Windows approach is either:

    A) Naive
    B) Stupid
    C) To cheap to buy a Mac
  • CalmLlama, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13But you don't have to buy a PC from dell, if you build it yourself its a LOT cheaper than apple
  • OBKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -29/+38I think it's time to sell OS X for PCs. This is just getting silly, we all know OS X can run on generic PC hardware as long as the drivers are available. Apple could probably make more selling $200 copies of "PC-OS X" than the meager amount it earns on iMacs and other low-cost Apple hardware.
  • filefly, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Heh. "There's a possibility that networking isn't working"

    Notworking?
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9OMG, thats so funny and just never gets old

    Oh, and /sarcasm
  • Scheissenegger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7it's completely safe if you:

    1. Print the guide!!! From part III you won't see Windows again till the end and there's a possibility that networking isn't working (depends on network card)
    2. Don't forget the post install steps!!! Booting Leopard with ossmgr.plist is quite, well, not good for the install....
    3. Use common sense. A hammer won't get things working, posting a comment will.
  • NoOneButMe, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Source for apple making 50% off selling an iMac or any other computer? The iPhone doesnt run Leopard. Dont mix and match facts please?
  • mshanly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This has been known for a while now, it just has taken a big website ages to find out. :/
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+15Look, if the would just release there damn OS for x86 we could get on with our life's. We don't all have the cash to go out and buy a new iMac. Go ahead and Digg me down you fan boys!
  • lucask, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5High quality manufacturers: Sony? Are you living in 1984, Sony has been miserable in nearly all aspects for the past decade.
  • estvir, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7> There aren't enough drivers out there to get it running on any standard PC.

    That's BS, there are tons of people who have 'standard PCs' who have had OSX86 running and for a long time too. Go check over at insanelymac, you'll find a ton of people with standard PCs (As in, average Dells, etc) who have it working and those who have built their own machines with it working.

    And Apple's PCs are over-priced as hell and you people still continue to ignore that buying a PC from Dell isn't the only option in the world, but rather you close it down to that because you're desperate to make Apple not look over-priced. Also, outside of the US they manage to be even more over-priced.
  • Darph.Bobo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Let's recap shall we:
    1. Apple is worth 6X more than General Motors.
    2. steffinb a diggernut is giving them business advice.

    The pain is excruciating.
  • kinghajj, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Ripping-off? No. Most people who tried the "Mac OS X on x86" hacks would have NEVER, EVER bought a real Mac. They just did it to be "cool." However, some of them, after using it for a while, fell in love with it then later purchased REAL Macs. So Apple isn't losing any money, as it wouldn't have gotten money from most of these people anyways, but they are in fact gaining money because some who use these hacks later become Apple customers.
  • Terc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Clones? What are you talking about?

    Also, spending $180 on cpu, $100 on ram, $90 on HD, $125 on a case, $50 on a PS, $110 on a mobo, $35 on a dvd/cd burner, and $200 on a monitor...That comes to $890, add a video card and you're looking at another $100, THEN you need an operating system, tack on another $140 for OEM Windows XP. Wow, $1130. You just saved yourself $80! Oh, iMacs come with a keyboard/mouse. So, let's say you find a keyboard/mouse combo for $50.

    A total savings of $30 over buying a base model iMac.

    Sure, you could buy crap cheap components and go much lower in cost, but if you wanted an eMachines equivalent, you were never the kind of customer Apple caters to anyways.
  • habbofresh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5yeah. dwnload music instead.
  • NoOneButMe, on 10/10/2007, -16/+19Part for part, Apple is cheaper then a Dell system of similar spec's. Inspiron's are cheap crap that break down far to often and dont count.

    And even if Apple market share does rise, it will remain more secure then windows by default. Unix permissions and all that. I'm not saing it's hack/virus/whatever proof. Just more secure then windows by default. And the average person isnt about to buy a box with Ubuntu or install it on their own. And even linux can have problems - ELF binaries for example.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah that's what I used to install it.. runs better on my HP laptop than my apple computer.
  • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4doesnt mean you have to go by it though.... I dont believe any EULA has been contested in court yet - ask microsoft who demand access to your SP2 install.
  • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Stick it to Apple? They know damn well what's going on, and they don't care. While they can't reverse the "damage" that's been done, they could certainly make it harder for future OSx86 hacks to happen. By not doing that, they keep the enthusiasts from whining too much without harming their bottom line in the slightest (actually, probably helping it, since many people running the hack may buy Macs in future or recommend them to others).
  • cfd339, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4That doesn't mean OS X could compete on open hardware with Windows. OS X would need to have a driver model to support hundreds of additional chipsets and other hardware. The fact is, its much easier to keep your OS stable if you build it to handle only specific chipsets that you control.
  • signal15, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6There aren't enough drivers out there to get it running on any standard PC. Additionally, this is probably a good thing for Apple because the people that are going to do it are in the minority, and will probably just buy a mac for their next machine.

    As far as Apple hardware being overpriced, it's not really. A comparable dell is only a few percent cheaper.
  • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Most people aren't American.
    The DMCA doesn't exist. There's no such thing. At least where I'm sitting. Lucky Me.
  • zioxide, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Mac Pros have dual Xeon workstation procs, not Core 2 desktop procs.
  • NoOneButMe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Er.. If it does mess up, just format and install windows again or something. No harm done. It's basically: Download leopard and patch. Apply patch. Burn leopard to dvd. Close drive after burning. Reboot. Hit 'next' a few times.
  • HenryWatts, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If you pay for the software, you should be entitled to use it as you please.
  • Darph.Bobo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5With Mac envy!
  • Terc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I've built a "hackintosh" myself, and I didn't do it because of cost. Anyone complaining about cost is only doing so because they are used to low quality components. My only reason for not buying a Mac was that they don't offer a mid range pc that supports internal raid. I built a system with 4x400GB drives on a P5B deluxe (I HIGHLY recommend this mobo by the way -> http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=51862 ) and was up and running in no time.

    I still dual boot with Windows, but I'm loving my overclocked Mac.
  • ArthurSucks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Don't do it! It could kill you and everyone you love!!!
  • Scheissenegger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Er, if I was you, I wouldn't forget the deletion of OSSMGR.plist.... and if you want to get stuffs working, I would do more than just hitting next...
  • buckrogers1965, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2Doctrine of First Sale.

    If you buy anything with a copyright, you own that one copy and you can do anything you want with it, except copy it and give that to other people.

    An EULA does not take any of your rights away.
  • alanjcfs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Apple profits from the integration of hardware and software. It did try (pre-Steve Jobs's return) to sell only the OS, but winds up losing money because people don't want to pay for the higher-quality or well-designed hardware. (Yes, it is generally higher quality. Equivalents in third-party would reveal almost equal parity in price.) Moreover, by selling OS only with the hardware, there is no need for Microsoft-style "Windows Activation Key."
  • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Runs on my AthlonXP!

    Ironic.
  • hobophobe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3If you aren't distributing the software to let you do so, and you are using the software/hardware privately (and own the copy of the software) this is perfectly legal. Saying otherwise is complete FUD.
  • prammy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2@NoOneButMe:
    Care to explain what exactly is wrong with ELF?
    ELF is a standardized executable file format for many UNIX OSs such as Solaris, AIX, IRIX, HP-UX, non Unix but unix-like OSs like [Free/Net/Open/DragonFly]BSDs, BeOS, OpenVMS on itanium and yes, Linux as well.
    All it is, is a file format. Mach-O's biggest advantage afaik is that it can hold fat binaries, in Apple's case it would be PPC and x86 code in one universal binary. The other reasons OS X uses Mach-o is due to its NeXT heritage and due to its Mach kernel.
  • drgmdp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3why is selling music then?
  • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I upgraded the cpu, the ram, the hdisk and the dvdplayer + graphics card in my mac g4 cube...

    what do you mean you cant upgrade? and that came out 7 years ago!
  • georgio5, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3all apple has to do is go to the torrent sites and see all the hacks, you dimwit
  • JeremyBanks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Yes, their growing market share is a clear sign that they don't know what they're doing.

    Of my friends who have bought new computers in the past year, most of them have bought Macs for the first time. Apple knows what people want, and that's what they're providing.
  • inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7Who are the damn fan boys here? ***** stop digging us down! We like the os but not the price of the hardware.
  • Bakagamer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Apple is a hardware company.
  • geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2ELF binaries a problem of Linux? Buried as inaccurate. Come the ***** on, Linux has its short comings, but ELF is a tried and true executable format (and IMHO better than Mach-O). If you really want to put down Linux, start with X11 and hardware acceleration and go from there.
  • unclefire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm no lawyer, but I figure if you purchase the software legally, at worst you may violate the license agreement. And I figure reverse engineering is practically all EULA's these days. Regardless, if I buy a legal copy of the software, the company who produces it can suck it as I'm not depriving them of any revenue or their right to the software. If I decide to run it on my timex sinclar, that's my business.

  • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It really does look a lot like Linux. But thats like those ignorant arguments where people were saying Vista is an OSX clone.

    They look pretty and look there's windows. All modern PC operating systems look almost identical.

    As for Apple using BSD? Yeah the kernel is a BSD Kernel, but they rewrote most of the other code. OSX is merely the descendant of BSD, OS9, and NeXT. There's code from each of these OS's in OSX.
  • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah some people would like to have an idea of what they're getting before they drop a couple grand on an appliance.
  • MScrip, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Damn... sorry about that... my browser froze, while I kept clicking submit...

    I guess I should buy a Mac!
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