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- Harrison88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+77Agreed. Everyone loves Joost... yet Joost has no good content.
- 0004, on 07/04/2008, -5/+79dudes, read the entire license agreement first !!! do not simply click next-> next-> next-> ok !!!
their license says that they can basically do anything, even install spyware, and not be blamed for it!
around the middle of April i got an invitation from them to join their trials and use their new tv-via-p2p internet tv channels.
I go to their site, at https://www.joost.com/download/ to download the installler... and what do i get ? a slap-in-the face license.
I took the time to actually read the license they display (i know...wow factor) and what i read in that license gave me the willies..
They display it in a tiny window... i had to select it all, copy into clipboard and paste it into another program to view it properly.
Practically it says they can install any software they want without asking me, provided that the software they install claims to display a license and that license is accepted.
Here are the relevant quotes:
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2.1.1 Joost and the Joost™ Software will, and will permit third parties to, display advertising and other information within the interface of the Joost™ Software and/or in connection with the display of content and programming, in all cases without compensation to you. Joost or the Joost™ Software serves, and permits third parties to serve, advertisements within or adjacent to the content and programming delivered to you by the Joost™ Software. You understand and agree that Joost or the Joost™ Software, or applicable third parties, may include content-targeted advertisements or other related information, as further described in the Joost Privacy Policy. Your correspondence or business dealings with, or participation in promotions of, advertisers found on or through the Joost™ Software, including payment and delivery of related goods or services, and any other terms, conditions, warranties or representations associated with such dealings, are solely between you and such advertiser.
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all clean, right ?? WRONG. here's what comes next a bit further:
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4.1. You hereby acknowledge and agree that the Joost™ Software may be incorporated into, and may incorporate itself, software and other technology owned and controlled by third parties. Any such third party software or technology that is incorporated in the Joost™ Software falls under the scope of this Agreement. Any and all other third party software or technology that may be distributed together with the Joost™ Software will be subject to you explicitly accepting a license agreement with that third party. You acknowledge and agree that you will not enter into a contractual relationship with Joost or its affiliates regarding such third party software or technology and you
will look solely to the applicable third party and not to Joost or its affiliates to enforce any of your rights.
.....snip...
4.2.3. When installed on your computer, the Joost™ Software may periodically communicate with Joost servers and/or Joost™ Software installed by other users. Additionally, third party software installed on Your computer may periodically communicate with third party servers for the purposes described in the license agreement or privacy policy between you and that third party.
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what ?! third party software may communicate with third party servers ??? isn't this the core definition of spyware ??
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12.8. Governing Law; Jurisdiction; Waiver of Claims. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of Luxembourg, without regard to conflict of law rules thereof. The parties hereto expressly understand and agree that any action brought by you against Joost arising out of this Agreement shall be brought
exclusively in the courts located in Luxembourg, and any action brought by Joost against you arising out of this Agreement shall, at the election of Joost, be brought in either the courts located in Luxembourg, or the applicable courts of the jurisdiction in which you reside. The parties hereby consent to, and irrevocably submit themselves to, the exclusive personal jurisdiction and venue of such courts as set forth in this section. You further agree not to bring
claims on a representative, class member basis, or as a private attorney general, and agree not to assert any claims against Joost unless such claims are asserted by you in the forum required by this Agreement no later than one year following the date that your claim or cause of action arose.
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HUH ?? any lawyer around that actually has a license to practice in Luxemburg ?? not many i think, thus lawsuits there are VERY expensive.
and double HUH ... no class action lawsuits are allowed? are they nuts ? Also..what forum ?? there's no address mentioned in the license agreement itself, maybe the one on their website.
Practically what they say is that they could install any software that claims to show a license to the user and would not install if the user says no... now where did i hear that ?? right... a ton of junk 'helpers' out there claim to behave like this but in reality they don't.
And then Joost says it's not their fault if the software they installed turns to be...let's suppose..a keylogger... and this is where the next bit comes into play: the joost installer itself is trying to do something nasty: What the hell is the joost installer trying to do with my yahoo messenger ?? zone alarm warned me immediately that joost is trying to inject something into the ym process (and i have a screenshot of it too).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/galaad2/joost_p_o_s.png
yuck.. i clicked cancel install and delete.
this software is thrown in the bit bucket.
Also, there's no way you can register on their PUBLIC support forum from the web and start asking questions. They DO NOT allow asking questions prior to installing the app and agreeing to the slavery 'license' agreement.
The only way you can register to get access and post questions on their PUBLIC support forum is by installing their application.
The only way to install their application is by clicking "OK" to that stupid license-to-install-spyware agreement.
Do you see a pattern here ?? they locked out the critics of their app, and only allow inside the slaves that already agreed to be whipped.
bleh. - Shizlak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+69high-profile ads!
How about some high-profile content? - troydoogle7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+69got an invite... anything to watch....... NO
- iheartbeer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+61And, I'm collecting all your e-mails and spamming the crap out of all of you (not really, but someone will).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+60Yeap, invites here: http://fsoj.org/articles/51joost.html
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41the content just gets in the way of the ads.
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Yup. Joost is a nice platform, but without anything good to watch it'll fail miserably.
- 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28DAMN, NO MORE EASY MONEY BY SELLING THEM ON EBAY..
- roywaits, on 02/02/2008, -3/+25National Geographic doesn't tickle your pickle?
- xistboi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Im doing an invite thread if anyone wants one:
http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/05/10512/ - gjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Anyone have an invite??
- xistboi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23
- picaman, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24No love for the PPC Macs yet, though been it's promised for some time:
http://joost.com/support/faq/Feature-requests.html#Will-there-be-a-Joost-client-for-Mac-PPC - LordSpam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Whoever is doing the invites is a brave soul mee2. Especially if this makes the front page. Hope you didn't have anything planned for the day.
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Enjoy your icmp requests even with the program tuner disabled.
http://www.joost.com/forums/p/2007/04/i-close-tvprunner.exe-and-get-hosed-by-incoming-icmp-requests-unacceptable!/
The only solution we found was to get a new IP from our ISP. - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Don't digg this mofo down. There are ***** of PowerPC Macs out there, and they need love.
- jjhat1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I run Joost under Vista just fine.
- zaren, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Lazy me, I'm just going to copy and paste what I said on the MacNN page that this links to :)
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That's funny...
There's nothing on joost.com about this, and I've heard nothing about it as a beta tester. I'd be happy to hand out some invites, if they existed and this was true. But, once again, the crack staff at macNN posts an article with no confirmation or useful linkage. Sorry folks, you'll have to wait this one out until useful information comes from somewhere else.
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Oh, and for everyone posting their email addresses in those uneasysilence and fsoj threads - good job feeding the spam scrapers. - bumodo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Ha of course, the day after I finally get an invite.
- IQis87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10thompsonjack000@gmail.com
- manixrock, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@galaad2
I can not certify that the joost installer from their official homepage is spyware free, but I can asure you that you can verify if it or any other program contains spyware by searching for it on http://softpedia.com where they say about Joost 0.9.2 Beta:
"Softpedia guarantees that Joost 0.9.2 Beta is 100% FREE, which means it is a freeware product (both for personal and commercial use) that does not contain any form of malware, including but not limited to: spyware, viruses, trojans and backdoors.
This software product was tested thoroughly and was found absolutely clean, therefore it can be installed with no concern by any computer user.However, it should be noted that this product will be retested periodically and the award may be withdrawn, so you should check back on this page from time to time."
Please ote softpedia is an authority in the field and they have agreements with many firms such that many times they get the newest versions of a program before it even apears on the official page. So I think it's safe to say the installer is spyware-free. - Baku, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@mee2
Thanks dudey - got my invite, so will be setting up later today, and also offering invites once I have everything downloaded. :) - meshman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Attention spammers: email address heaven in Digg thread! Act now before it's too late!
- drewskyjones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Well, it's not premium content, but they have some interesting content. I like to flip thru Joost when there is nothing on regular TV (or if I'm away from home and the slingbox is having a connection issue). It sounds like they are going to be bringing a lot of new content soon. My guess is that as users go up, more advertisers will sign up, allowing them to get more content. I think in 3-5 years they will have enough content to be a serious alternative to cable...until then I'll just enjoy it as the content trickles in. Besides, If it wasn't for Joost, I would not know the history of Habenero peppers.
- damnyooneek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i have a joost account but it still says i have no invites?
- FreddieD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Could you please send me an invite? Thanks.
president@whitehouse.gov - CaptainStone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8As of 01May2007, 13:17 Eastern, http://www.joost.com/ still states "Coming Soon".
- ruce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4id invite all of you but this new POS version wont even open
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9This redirects to the main page where there is no mention of Joost.... and why would you only have 250 invites? There are unlimited invites available for everyone.
Comment buried as Spam... - kungfumaniac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5fantabulous. Now they just need some decent content.
- jsbarone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I have an account, but for the life of me can't find the invite option. Where does one go to invite people?
- Pirkel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have the same issue. My router has recorded 1,000 hits (max allowed to be stored) since 12 pm. It's 3 pm now. There is a new one every few seconds.
- 0004, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4@manixrock
my issue is not as much with the program as it is with their license. After reading that stupid license i didn't even bother to install the program.
ver. 0.9.2 might not have spyware inside BY ITSELF, but you have to remember that the license gives them the right to install ANY advertising program that CLAIMS to show a license to the user, at ANY time while their program is running (and that includes online program upgrades, as the program seems to be capable of upgrading itself.)
now... thinking of the license and of the always-updating 'feature' can you guarantee that there will NEVER be spyware deployed through it ?
what if they try to install some adware/spyware while you're typing away in a completely unrelated openoffice document ??
imagine this scenario:
type..type..type....enter...type...type...type...enter...type...type..type....
suddenly a license pops up out of the blue, with an "agree" button already highlighted.... and you were about to enter a new line in that document, but the 'license' window has stolen the focus, and your enter keypress is redirected there.
what happens then?? answer: you get an adware/spyware infection, and the license you agreed to when installing joost makes them not responsible for what that piece of s**t does to your computer. Read the license again, particularly the line that says:
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You acknowledge and agree that you will not enter into a contractual relationship
with Joost or its affiliates regarding such third party software or technology and you
will look solely to the applicable third party and not to Joost or its affiliates
to enforce any of your rights.
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in summary: if anything happens to your computer because of software installed by us you're SOL because we don't care. - digg-dugg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd been invited months ago. But still cant use it on my dual G5
- zecrose, on 10/12/2007, -5/+809 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0.
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.............................. - sammyc53, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Me too.
- Senturion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Or maybe people are creating temporary emails just for things like this, did you ever think of that?
It's not like getting extra gmail accounts is hard. - meshman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"While still in late beta, the peer-to-peer TV network is now said to be in full business"
How can your 'beta' site be in full business? Will it reach Alpha when its ready for release or is that the gamma version? Idiot. - spankee666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So when will it run non Linux and PPC OS X?
- twelvels, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5could someone send me an invite to joostisgoingtomakesoooomuchmoney@luckybastards.com?????
- moet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol spammers would just love all these emails
- subliminalurge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Thanks for posting that. I had an invite sitting in my gmail inbox I hadn't gotten around to yet, but this story reminded me about it and I was just about to go check it out.
Invitation deleted. I have plenty of other sources for content anyway. - mahsah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yay, we can download a client application that doesn't run on all platforms, and watch videos that are already avalable on youtube, dailymotion, or worse case, Torrents.
- fodder650, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'll probaly get dugg down for what I'm going to say. But Joost needs the high profile advertisers so it can justify getting the better content.
Things have improved during the beta. Far less lag considering how many new users were added today as well. Sound quality works but video quality is hurting. Decent list of videos available on Warner Brothers channel to. - Decimit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Intel mac only :(
- coldfusion1970, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Use up your initial three invites and then they renew it with 999 invites.
- xistboi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4OMG It's gonna take forever to hand out all the invites!
- badken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Umm... isn't Joost based on a peer-to-peer network topology? So more users should actually *improve* bandwidth, not make it worse.
- jsbarone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4//just asking how to invite. I don't see an option there to invite anyone. trying to help out my fellow diggers. digg down if you want.
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