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- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+134You're both wrong. Jobs and Woz needed eachother. They were equally essential to Apple's success. If you read the article, Woz says so himself. “I think it took both of us, it was a really lucky combination." They are your archetypal odd couple who perfectly complement eachother's strengths and weaknesses. Every geek knows the good and bad of Jobs and Woz so I'm not going to rehash the list here.
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -12/+67Jobs is a hustler not a coder, when it comes down to it the reason Apple exists is Woz.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44without woz, jobs would have nothing to sell. without jobs, woz couldn't sell it. period.
- speezer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Does Jobs have a metal business card?
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Apple was a team effort; Woz had the hardware skills, Jobs had the business skills.
You need both to run a company but, to be blunt, as inventive as Woz is, business skills like Jobs' are harder to find.
You can hate Jobs, you can hate Macs, but you have to admit that he did something very few people have ever accomplished - and he's done it more than once.
Gates and Jobs are the Edisons of our time. Woz was more like Tesla - beloved by people wise enough to see his brilliance, but with less impact on the larger world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Shhh, the apple fanboys are fighting one another!
... all is to plan. - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14ever heard the song that goes...
"You've got the brains, I've got the looks.
Let's make lots of money."
....not sure who the "looks" guy is in this case. j/k :) - Aggaman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Jobs has done far more for Apple than Woz has. Having said that, Apple would not exist without Woz' expertise in hardware design.
Jobs single handedly saved the company. Who in 1996 would have thought that Apple would still be here, let alone making excellent computers and peripherals. - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Their entire legal department.
- M4cb0y, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@speezer
Metal is SO overrated. Jobs has an Aqua iCard - prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I find your comment ironic.. because Apple was huge in the 80s. It was during the 90s that Apple's marketshare in both education and the home market went from around 60% to 4%.
Nearly everyone who grew up in the 80s remembers playing Oregon Trail on an Apple ][e. - superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Yes, both of them needed each other to get Apple going in the 1980s, but where Apple is today is not because of the 1980s, it's because of Jobs' return in the late 1990s.
- turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7and by that, you mean the way of badass awesome ghostbuster action.
- willgonz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You guys needed each other to get it started. Just be glad it didn't go the way of Commodore.
- funbags, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Radiant nailed it. Period.
- kenhigginson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Woz didn't talk this much when he did work for Apple...
- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5All of you should go rent "Triumph of the Nerds" and get a little history lesson on who these men were and where they came from.
We owe quite a lot to Steve Jobs (Apple), Steve Wozniak (Apple), Bill Gates (MS), Steve Ballmer (MS), Dan Bricklin (VisiCalc), and Ed Roberts (Altair).
http://www.pbs.org/nerds/
http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Nerds-Robert-X-Cringely/dp/B00006FXQO/ref=pd_sim_v_1/102-5039293-7488146?ie=UTF8 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Edison was a plagurist who quickly patented other's inventions as his own then sued them.
Neither Gates or Jobs is totally like that, but both have more than a little in common with Edison. - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"I bet not one in 50 on Digg could say *why* engineers admire Woz."
Do we have to, assuming we aren't engineers ourselves? You're right (for me), I don't know why engineers admire him. But I know a lot of them do, and that's good enough for me.
I have no idea what Woz was so good at. What I do know is that he *was* good at it, and "it" turned into Apple's first computer.
As for me, I admire him for his love of gadgets and sense of fun :) - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Nah. The Apple fanboys don't know Woz from a hole-in-the-ground.
I bet not one in 50 on Digg could say *why* engineers admire Woz. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"You need both to run a company but, to be blunt, as inventive as Woz is, business skills like Jobs' are harder to find."
I was thinking the same thing and was trying to figure out how to phrase it. You said it well enough. - superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7No, I think I am on target. Thanks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Commodore was about to buy Apple Computers for $100K.
The deal didn't happen because Commodore wanted Apple for even less but Mark Markkula just appeared from nowhere.
That's how Jobs and Wozniak were lucky. - DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Which only begs the question, "who is the dick?"
- nusuni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Is it just me or does it seem like Woz is becoming a bit stuck-up in the past few months? Anyways, they both needed each other, as many people have said already.
- nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Cuz he invented segway polo, duh.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i think the title is misleading. woz acknowledges in the article that Steve and himself each combined to make Apple what it is today, and that they could not have done it by themselves. I think that's all he is getting at, not saying that jobs did less than he did.
- aurifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In the beginning it was both of them, but it was the return of Jobs in the late 90s that made Apple what it is today.
- dimitrisokolov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
Yep, all the cool stuff has happened long after Woz was gone. The Early Mac Years were not that cool. I remember looking at those little ass Apple screens and thinking WTF as I was having fun on my Amiga.
All the cool Apple stuff is happening now. These are the good old days. - farrellj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The word is synergy. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Jobs and Woz made the company, but neither could have done so by themselves. Both deserve equal credit for Apple existing, and the wonderful things that it has done.
ttyl - keikun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Woz couldn't have done it without Jobs either so it's even.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Meaning that Woz would have ended up with a nice project in his garage nobody would have heard about, and Jobs a famous business man anyway.
- dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i know he didnt event the computer.. but come on... he invented a type of personal computer, something unique at the time. Im not a fan of apple or anything... i hate apple fanboys, they should burn in hell.. but again.... is it easier to invent a "type of computer" than to sell something?
- dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3so its easier to invent a computer than to sell something? come on... thats a lot of *****
- Bloodwine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree that it takes a good tech+biz combo, so Woz and Jobs made it happen together, and neither one could have done it on their own.
Maybe Woz is just upset at all the biz and marketing folks taking all the credit for everything it seems and downplaying the programmers and engineers that actually make things happen.
I'm the head geek and partner at a small tech firm and the sales and biz guys try to assert themselves over me and talk down to me, even though I am nearly 100% responsible for the design and oversight of all our products and infrastructure ... not to mention their boss. Of course the president (my only quasi-boss) is a biz tard and relates to the other biz tards and often tells me that he has no idea what I do, but figures I must be doing something right because things just work and our customers are happy.
Biz tards are from Mars and geeks are from Venus. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"so its easier to invent a computer"
Woz didn't invent the computer, sorry to bust your bubble. You can say he invented the Apple computer (and a weird way to access floppies :-) ). But back in those days a lot of people were putting computers together in their garage. It was the time to do so. Like now many people are making Web 2.0 sites in their garage. Or are you going to say in 20 years time that Kevin Rose invented the Internet? Come on. - darksheer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow...another article that makes Woz look like an asshat. What Woz REALLY appears to be saying (though the article and especially the title doesn't even hint at this) is that he did a lot of the legwork that got apple going. Umm...yup. I think that's pretty common knowledge these days.
For some reason, the "mac media" has decided to turn everything Woz says upside down and try to make it out that there is some "steve vs. steve" war--and its quite simply not the case. - Halgy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm with Radiant too. Woz was the genius who actually built stuff. I didn't know how smart he was until I watched a documentory on hacking with him in it. Likewise, Jobs was the genius of marketing. They were screwed seperate, but together, they pwned.
However, Woz probably would have had a better chance, since he did make a great product. He may have learned how to market, but Jobs woundn't have learned to build computers.
Halgy - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I am sure the vice versa holds very true as well.
- Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, without The Woz Steve Jobs would still be trying to sell that Atari Classic, Gotcha!
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Uh. Success is based on marketing. You are proving my point by your assumption that not even 1 in 50 on digg can give reason to Woz' admiration. Apple is where it is today not because of engineering genius, but because of marketing genius; creating a product that is highly desirable.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and Ronald Wayne is the ass of the company...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Wayne - headband, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1of course not....we all know it was Al Gore
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Having Jack Tramiel and Irving, Commodore was doomed.
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You should, because knowing *why* he's considered a great engineer would help you decided who created Apple.
It wasn't the Apple II that made Woz's reputation. As others have noted, the II was merely an incremental improvement over what every homebrew dude was already doing. - It was his amazing lateral-thinking design for making a floppy drive, creating the first rotating storage cheap enough for home use, that made his, and Apple's reputation. - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jeez. Dude.
Woz didn't design the Mac.
I know this is hard to accept, but the Mac was the 3rd or 4th computer Apple sold, and the first that Woz had nothing to do with. Woz stayed with the Apple II crew. - Farmer77, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Yeah, tell it like it is Woz!!!
- scottgfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I recommend a book called "On The Edge"
http://commodorebook.com/
A lot better than the revisionist history that most get today.
Check out the reviews on amazon.com.
It has some interesting comments on Woz and Jobs, from the guy that helped build the processor that went into the Apple ][. What better source do you need? - starguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2A lot of the Apple II code was full of "bad hacks"... things that were great back in the day at shaving a byte here and there, and pulling off some tricks making less do more... but they didn't scale well and would become a pain in the *** later on to deal with. For example, the bizarre way the video memory was mapped... non-sequentially. A lot of memory was mapped assuming memory would never go beyond 64k... but then other platforms did this as well like the Commodore.
Jobs IMHO was nothing more than a "pretty case man". That's his man contribution and all he ever did, stick the machine in a pretty case. When he was brought back from the NExt fiasco to revitalize Apple, what was the first thing he did? The only thing he knew how. Go back to Frogdesign and get them to come up with new pretty cases (remember the blueberry and colored Macs???). It really wasn't even jobs, it was Frogdesign... look them up in wikipedia... they designed just about all the Mac cases... the sizzle that sold the junk. Which, as far as hardware goes, is what Apples have always been, junk hardware trailing *behind* by an order the current state of the art at any given time for most of their history. -
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