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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -11/+100I'm in ur iPhone crashin ur networks
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -38/+114Too bad the iPhone's battery doesn't last long enough to keep their network down.
- EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+61That statement says far more about Cingular's network than the iPhones capabilities.
- longofest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50wait a second. That's like saying that any other ill-designed "smartphone's" application would bring down Cingular's entire network. VERY lame excuse if you ask me.
- Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -20/+645 Hours is more than the average 3 hours advertised on almost any other smartphone
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -9/+51Too bad (or good) that it will be hacked and linux put on it so anyone can write and use any program they damn well please.
- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -8/+491. Proprietary hardware
2. Proprietary software
3. Developer lockouts.
You have just summed up the reason I don't like apple. - longofest, on 10/12/2007, -21/+595 hours for a smart phone isn't THAT bad. Of course, lets see what it actually gets...
- canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41jeez, steve-o is certainly on his high horse with this one. or is just that i can't possibly comprehend the power of the dark side, uh, i mean apple.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37Jobs is not a programmer, therefore anything he says on the subject isn't any more valid than something Ted Stevens would say. I wonder how he explains all the other smartphones out there with SDKs.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31That's a pretty lame excuse. Never heard of a BlackBerry or Windows Mobile app taking down a cell network.
- PimpinOnWelfare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29I'm dying to switch to a cell company that can be brought to it's knees instantly from a tiny app. I mean why else would you switch?!
- ephemeral, on 10/12/2007, -9/+34Are you kidding me? You come up with the best device ever conceived, and then you lock it down so people can't make 3rd party or homebrew apps for it? This has the stench of the mistakes Apple made during the mid 1990s all over it. Let's look at the facts...
1. Proprietary hardware
2. Proprietary software
3. Developer lockouts.
Yeah, sounds like Apple. Wow, you think they would learn from their past mistakes, having once ruined and then fixed the Mac (PPC+OS9 vs Intel+OSX) but it seems they haven't. History will repeat itself for the iPhone. This will open the door for other devices to reinvent the wheel, standardize and open their equipment to form an allegiance against Apple, gain the respect of the development community, and take over the market. All patents aside, technology will catch up and Apple will be in the same pile of dung they have repeatedly dug themselves into. Steve Jobs is really smug isn't he? - TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33Oh, I had no idea that Job's had added "Cellular Technology Specialist" to his resume. Who better to know what would and would not wreck a cellular network than Steve Jobs.
- JerodSlay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25This is what we call BS. It is not out of concern that they wont let apps on the phone. Does anyone actually believe him? It's so Apple can release apps (just like the iPod games) and charge big bucks for it. If it was opened, people would make the apps for free and Apple wants the money. It's plain dollars and cents. It's sad Jobs is lying to everyone.
Anyone who has taken a PR class or knows anything about it knows that telling the truth and treating the public with respect is the best way to get good PR. Wait for the memos to be leaked. - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26He's being cocky - he thinks (knows?) more people will use the iphone than other smartphones
I think apple is too protective. They make up stupid excuses like this for not letting people play with their 600-800 dollar toys. Reminds me of Sony. I'll stick with more open hardware. - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Perhaps they'll also stop third party apps from running on Mac OS X. After all, a regular Mac connects to the Internet, the mother of all networks. OMG one app could take down teh INTERNETS!!!11!
- shmuu102, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21lets call this what it is, an open invitation to hack the sh*t out of this thing....
they (apple) cant even keep osx off wintell machines, no way is this thing gonna be locked down - leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Wow, that must be the lamest excuse I've ever heard for not including a feature in a product. I've been an IT guy for awhile, too, so I've heard of LOT of lame excuses!
Come on Steve... Just man up and admit that you don't want people hacking the phone to share DRM'ed content over WiFi. - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This is just the biggest pile of ***** to ever come out of Job's mouth.
Ever since the 1984 commercial that guy can piss all over an audience and convince them its raining. - londoneconomist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Perhaps you don't understand how the internet works. The other day someone sent me an internet, and it took... FOUR DAYS to get here. See you don't understand that the internet is a series of tubes, and uh uh uh uh, if you just dump anything onto those tubes, uh uh uh, you'll clog them... something like that.
- Niten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Well either way, it's an equally false piece of FUD.
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Apple's arrogance never ceases to amaze me - more reasons to avoid buying their craptastic overpriced products....reinvented the phone...what a crock of *****. Wish I could take an iPhone and use it to slap some sense into Jobs.
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17this argument is absolute FUD, show me an example of a Treo or a Blackberry user taking down an entire network with a buggy app
- Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14In response to Jobs: Maybe you should consider a network that actually has some foundation and stability.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"he thinks (knows?) more people will use the iphone than other smartphones"
He has said repeatedly that he hopes the iPhone will capture 1% of the total market. I would bet that Blackberry has a larger portion than that.
Having said that, I think this statement from him is rather silly. I don't know where he came up with the idea that software on a phone is going to take down the whole network. - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14That's just what it is, an excuse.
They want to force you to buy all your apps and such via Cingular's "Media Net".
Thank God Windows smart phones aren't a Cingular "exclusive". Tons of 3rd party stuff out there, and a lot if freeware. - SirZRX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10i am an electronics engineer, i have some basis of how a cellphone network works and dont know how on earth a cellphone app can take down a cellphone network!
- nonsequitor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Its also so you can't have a VOIP app which will use VOIP instead of Cingular when connected to a WIFI network. VOIP is as big a threat to Cingular, on a mobile device, as file sharing is to iTunes.
- AMSRay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+125 hours is hopefully the TALK time. I had a Samsung i700 smart-phone and talk time was about 5 hours but it would function as a PDA for much longer than that, about 3 days of average use on a charge. As for third party apps, the Windows mobile phones and Palm OS phones have been running third party apps (even shareware) for years without any communications issues. I love what features we saw on the iPhone but I think Apple has short-changed us by locking the phone into Cingular. If the phone was open to third party software and would allow some hacking around it could have been so much more.
- Ansible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Sounds a lot like the cellphone industry as a whole doesn't it? I think Steve's position doesn't have all that much to do with the user experience, and it doesn't have much to do with bringing down cell networks. What this is, is Steve buying into the cellphone industry's locked-out pay-for-everything business model. Its more important for him to keep the door open to networks like Verizon and Sprint (which abhor any hint of openness), than it is for him to keep the door open to user (and 3rd party) customization and innovation.
- gr00vy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Um... I call BS on Jobs. This isn't true for wi-fi, not true for phones. Lots of stuff on the network. All the networks. You can control the network layer, if you would like.
Dumb. - darthsnoopy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9wierd...cause windows mobile allows developers to create apps for it...and windows ce allows developers to write apps for it....and theres tons of java applets written that can be put onto tons of phones....and yet none of them take down 'entire networks'.
I normally disagree with Jobs, but he's typically a very intellegent speaker, and knows he's talking to a userbase that..despite rabidly loving apple...are also very intellegent. To say something that flies in the face of cell technology and software development doesn't make much sense. - superKduper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm worried about Steve Jobs. I think he needs to see a neurologist. He's not making sense, and doing self-destuctive things like accounting fraud, and intellectual property theft. (CISCO's trademark.)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Sounds like it already worked cingular, you mean ATT.
- BeeWolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yes it sounds like FUD, arrogance, or maybe even that he knows better and is trying to sell this line to "analysts" who migtht buy it and lay off his new product.
On the other hand, the Visual Voicemail thing makes me wonder. What kind of interactions are we talking about here with these specialized services? Might they make CIngular's ***** more vulnerable than we're used to thinking about with smartphones? - RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think we should start one of those "prize sites" for people to incentivize them to create a tiny app that will bring down the entire West-Coast network of Cingular.
I'll chip in $10. - rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I like this thread a lot and for some reason its all getting dugg down...
Oh right its an Apple section article
Recap:
"This has the stench of the mistakes Apple made during the mid 1990s all over it"
"Apple has classically been viewed as a company making computers for those who don't know, and more importantly, don't care"
"iPhone is targeted at the technically illiterate rich people, not you or me"
iAwesome. - raindogmx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Now that would be very very bad product design, wouldn't it?
- ross., on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"Unless, of course, you are referring to our mighty Apple overlords."
Yes captain obvious, I'm talking about Steve.
"Digg me down" - Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That is true. Because of that some smartphones use 2 processors - one for the GSM part and 2nd, faster one to run the Windows Mobile or Symbian OS. You can applications, but only on the 2nd processor.
- zippy757, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5
I heard a ill written music application on the iPhone could take down the music industry.... - ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5He should just apply to get Windows Mobile on his iPhone. Microsoft will be very happy to sell Apple some software that works. That way he won`t have his iPhone bringing down any networks. ^^
- naldwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@zdiggler - longer than decades? centuries you mean?
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7*Recalls when Steve Jobs said there will never be video on an iPod"
'nuff said
and for the record, its 5 hours for talk/video/internet. No mention on music or idle time. Believe me, 5 hours kicks the ***** out of any phone I have had. When you first look at 5 hours you think thats nothing, but think how many minutes that is, 300 minutes. If you are talking on your phone for 300 straight minutes in a day and are still in the black I want your phone plan. - stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Jobs is a Gates, just not a programmer or as savy a businessman. Jobs is more of a Donny Deutsche Marketing master. Hes a master of the hype. And Ill give him credit for having the foresight in the early 80's to know that computing can go further than the IT backroom. He just has to realize more people are tech savy these days and wont fall for all the bull.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I don't know where he came up with the idea that software on a phone is going to take down the whole network."
Maybe he meant if Skype was on an iPhone it would bring down Cingular b/c no one would use their network. - AMSRay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Personally, I'm hoping the LG KE-850 is as similar to the iPhone as it looks, and if it works on Verizon or someone other than Cingular it could be a winner.
- mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Jobs turning into Gates? The DRM in Vista is ominous, but bear in mind that 3rd party apps can be written for WindowsMobile.
- addrake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5My personal feelings about Apple is this:
1. I have had 3 iPods and would probably not consider any other player
2. I have never owned (and as far as I can recall ever used) a Macintosh and can't see a time when I will
3. The general Apple owner/fanboy smugness reeks of the self absorbed superiority complex of the average college student. I loathe that.
4. Take the smugness and self absorption mentioned in point 3 and multiply several hundred times and it seems to sum up Steve Jobs. Seeing his quotes about the iPhone and reading the story of iTunes and the way he generally acts makes me intensely dislike him. -
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