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- Mythrl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18wow so I can get a 4GB nano for under $30?? Sweet!
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's called Moore's Law - though it originally applied to the number of transistors per unit area (IIRC), every 18 months technology "doubles" - speed, capacity, etc. - you can get "twice as much" at the same price. It applies not just to iPods, but technology in general - always advancing.
//not a hard and fast law - more a trend than anything - ShibbySandwich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9When i bought my 20 gb 3g ipod, it came with the device itself, a case, a remote, and a dock, not to mention headphones and a power brick all included for the entry price of 400 dollars. Now, you say its a great deal to get a 30gb 5g ipod for 300 bucks? Each of the above mentioned accessories costs 40 dollars, and you dont even get a power brick. Not to mention that while they did increase capacity and give it a *decent* screen, they are mechanically taking steps backwards by reintroducting more moving parts in the form of the click wheel. An ideal mechanical system has no moving parts, aka nothing to break. Clearly, it is cheaper to produce the ipod with less touch sensitive surfaces, so they can charge slightly less, or even the equivelant to what they were charging for the 3g minus the accessories, and increase their profit margins. Its brilliant. Apple is banking on peoples sheep like nature, and everyone is falling for it.
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Just another data-point to show to anti-capitalists. This economic system gets you more for less. Over time, iPods have gotten bigger storage, brighter and bigger displays, longer-lasting batteries, etc.
They have also gotten thinner and lighter. This means that they are using fewer resources to make iPods that do more with each passing generation. Efficiency and conservation are built-in. - lahuard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Google Cache of article due to digg effect.
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:xP2clsQHkJ8J:www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/how_much_cheaper_is_the_ipod_going_to_get/+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a - TheSevenDuffs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5except that using the click wheel iPods are much better. like never having to lift your finger to go back a menu. and most people like to feel something tactile when they push a button
- FredSanford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7chaos86 - no the iPod wasn't the first hard drive based mp3 player. The original Nomad Jukebox had it beat by over a year. There may have been others as well, but the Nomad is the first one I'm aware of.
The Nomad debuted at around $41/mb.
Obviously price is not the only differentiating factor. - msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4At some point you hit a wall and prices go down $/GB slower and slower, but that means you have to buy more GBs, so overall cost might not go down, but the product becomes more value for money. You still pay $400 for an iPod, but you get 60GB in return instead of 5GB
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The addition of the click wheel was probably their response to a pretty common complaint of the 3g iPod - people want tactile feedback to let them know that they've actually pressed a button, and the little clicking noise wasn't enough.
As far as accessories go, since nobody is complaining about the lack of included accessories, Apple sees no need to include them - after all, it's another chance to sell people more expensive accessories.
However, I still think that the video iPod is a value at its price (esp. the 60GB at $400, or $370 after my student discount) - video looks damn good on the little things, the price per gigabite is great, and I'll probably buy the next revision (once they up the battery life).
//proud owner of a 15GB 3g iPod (I prefer the "nonbuttons," myself), and I too wish newer iPods came with the dock and power brick - jediboytj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4this article fails to make claim to what is being included in the box, and states only in terms of the actual unit...
here is whats given in the actual box:
30GB iPod
headphones
USB cable
here is what is extra, but what used to come with the iPods
Wall Power Adapter ($29)
Dock ($39)
Actual case with clip. ($19)
the last time the 30GB model came with all those things, was with the 3rd generation, which was $399 when it first came out... now it is $299 + the $90 or so extra for the other stuff, and it seems to even itself out... now, its certainly much cheaper now than the 1st gen iPods... but once the 3rd gen iPods came out, the price has basically stayed the same with technology advancements (when comparing 30GB to 30GB) - NaziHatinChimp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm a big Apple fan, but hasn't new Tech always been cheaper?
Didn't the Nintendo cost more than $100 at once and the same with Apple II. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6wow so hard drives get cheaper with each year?! spread the news!!
alright, sorry, i made a stupid comment because i cant read the article (digg effect) - devoinregress, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Nano's don't have hard drives.
- tracydanger, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9That's not what the story is about.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IPOD:
Dumb small device that people payed way to much for with little or no functionality.
The Ipod with the same size as a small pocket pc rain accross many people as a fashion fad in the years of 2003-2006.
Any tech that owns one of these should be fired on the spot.
This shows that the tech or IT personal doesn't use spec's but more of the dumb shine look to please his or her needs.This causes the hurting of staff and the people he influenced to purchase for this obscure device. - zsf555, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7It is just not the storage.. Think about it, how much does it cost to pack everything into such a small package? The screen, scroll wheel, etc.
- shockingbird, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How about a 10gb ipod for $100? That's what I want.
- alloneword, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4the same graph can be applied to HDD. Not just iPods.
- rsh28630, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'll see you the 160MB and raise you a 3OMB in 1987. :-)
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If that were the truth, then the iPod would be in last place.
- Gaferion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like alloneword said, this is mainly due to cheaper $/GB on HDD (which need I remind people iPods use) then anything else. HDDs are always going to get cheaper $/GB ratios, and so will the iPods ... not a hard correlation to see.
- ross., on 10/12/2007, -0/+1err iPods let you play plain old MP3s, noob.
- MacHarborGuy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6dude, I remember my first 160MB hard drive back in 1994.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_classic/stats/mac_tv.html
First mac I ever owned. Second computer. First computer I owned was a preWin95 system that lasted a week before it died on me. We returned it and got this baby. - ArchibaldTuttle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Technology gets cheaper over time?!?!? Since when?
- ross., on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The author did not include some iPods such as the 4th Generation 30/60GB iPod photos.
Plus I think the cost per GB should have been calculated on the cost of each ADDITIONAL GB over the base unit price...ie how much are we paying for the iPod and how much for the actual HDD capacity...the difference per GB between a 30GB model and a 60GB model. - tokachu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WRONG! The 60GB iPod is the cheapest 60GB MP3 player on the market. The knock-offs cost 10-20% more.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1
Eh... patooey with the graphs and iPOS coming down by $7.00
I rather buy a $100 MP3 Player = 1 GB thats enough for me... durable and allows me to keep my MP3 format and not some foreign Apple format that iPOS will only play. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1they should have only included the highest model of each genration.
the table would look like this: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9940/appletable9fa.jpg
and itd be much cleaner graph - danr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The fact that apple introduced low capacity flash based ipods is not an example of an economy of scale, an economy of scale would mean that as more people buy the full sized ipod, that ipod itself becomes cheaper. While capacity has been increasing, it is just because the price/GB for hard drives in general drops over time.
- settsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1lame. lame. lame.
the persistence of the ipod (and, by extension, apple) pricing is one excellent demonstration of the extraordinary gullibility of humans and their desperate need to satiate their desires in order that they might temporarily allay their feelings of inadequacy.
as well as an excellent demonstration of capitalism. - theprez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I reported this story as lame because the analysis is way wrong. The writer doesn't consider the small but significant changes the iPod has gotten over the years (like video out and a color LCD and probably different material) even the manufacturing process has probably changed a whole lot that would determine what it costs to make an iPod.
I don't like it when misinformed blogs make the front page BTW. - mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I love my ipod, but c'mon. Isn't this story stating the obvious?
Also, in reply to a previous post, it wasn't the first hard drive based mp3 player, but it was the first microdrive based mp3 player (Toshiba Microdrive I believe). I remember when it first came out, and I was amazed at how tiny the ipod was. Before that, manufacturers were using laptop hard drives. Seems crazy now. - Godric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am familiar with Moore's Law. I'm talking about gains in processing but more generally, the increases in efficiency, whether in the amount of metal, plastic and other raw materials, to the amount of packaging and gas needed to ship devices that get lighter and smaller while becoming more powerful.
- Timsher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yeah, me too, but for now I'll have to gamble on ebay for a 20gb that's around $100
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The author of the article needs to realize is that it's the price of hard drives coming down that's making the iPods a "better deal", not Apple's generosity.
- zengame, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1dugg+
Could someone please make the HDD/Battery hour or the Price/Battery hour? - rakslice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0>They have also gotten thinner and lighter. This means that they are using fewer resources to make iPods that do more with each passing generation.
Well, the resources that are actually in the finished iPod are less, but that doesn't tell us anything about the resources (chemicals, power, etc.) used up in the manufacturing of the iPod, so it could be more or less overall. - seldatx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Hmm, it can be pretty much applied to any kind of electronics..
- theprez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Nano's or shuffles can't be included because when it was released you would have to pay $150 for 1GB. Then again that flash... blah blah blah.
Lame story. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It would really great if I could find a gigabyte/or half a gig mp3 player for $7 :(
- kamisama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@zsf555 : Agreed there is more to it than storage, but don't give the credit for the gui to apple just yet. It's still something that comes out of the creative camp.
- tracydanger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Once that dream machine is available, we'll all be wanting a bigger (or smaller), better dream machine - and we'll have to wait longer for it too. It's an endless cycle (not that I'm complaining; I still enjoy my Zire 72).
- cathode, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3"Worthy" read?
uh... no. - MacHarborGuy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2well played, rsh... well played...
- Soave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Except 2 of the 3 iPods in our family of broken >:O
The hard drive failed on one and the click wheel stopped working on another. And this was slightly over 13 months and 8 months, respectively. I'm upset because Apple won't repair the first. - msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1wait long enough, and you will have your dream machine. =P
- sneakywombat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/how_much_cheaper_is_the_ipod_going_to_get/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1wow, it had GRAPHS!!! GRAPHS everyone GRAPHS!!!!!
- sota937, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1wow! i can't believe i used to think price/GB would always stay the same. i still would have paid $4,800 for a 60GB ipod though, i'm just that much on apple's jock! pathetic "story", right down to the worthless excel graph.
ps. i love my ipod, but c'mon. - XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2I bought my 20Gb 4G for about $200, now, I can get a COLOR VIDEO 30GB for the same price....
thats a 2yr difference.. -
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