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- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -26/+321It's funny how we all talk about Digg like it's 100% controlled by rabid Apple users and yet we insist that they're irrelevant because they're a tiny fraction of the market. How does that work?
I'm a Windows user and I follow the Apple section closely because Apple is a tech company that doesn't think like a tech company and I find that fascinating (and unlike others, I rarely comment on an Apple story unless I have something worthwhile to add.) I think stories either sink or swim based on how both Mac and Windows users feel about it. Can we stop this "Mac fanboy conspiracy" crap already? If the story gets buried, it's probably because lots of people don't like it or think it's worth their time. - diggapleeeze, on 10/12/2007, -18/+117leobaby, which windows phone are you using?
"To get to my call history - Start, More, Down, Left, Select"
Hit the phone icon, press "history"
"To see the time someone called - Down, Down, Down, Down. (since method of call, cell or land, is more important than time)"
It's included with the history. See above.
"Task Manager has nothing to do with Tasks at all, it's a process viewer but the icon is right next to tasks. Huh?"
Ever use a PC? Task Manager does the same thing.
"You can't rearrange your start menu."
Yes you can. Settings, Today screen.
"You can't put shortcuts on the home screen."
Yes, you can. Takes third party app, but it can be done.
"The alarms only play the sound a single time, not like an alarm clock."
Haven't used this, so dont' know.
"No onscreen reminder for keys in voicemail - have to listen to press 7 to delete, press 9 to save, press #1 to undelete, press 5 for more options."
It's like that on every cell phone ever made. After about the third time you check voice mail you begin to remember what keys do what.
Have you ever used a cell phone and computer before? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+80BREAKING NEWS: OPERATING SYSTEM WAR SOLVED BY 15-YEAR-OLDS ON DIGG.COM
Shut up. Nobody cares what operating system you use. If you like the story, Digg it; if not, bury it. - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -39/+94@ sv650touring
"You take your voice of reason and shove it! Apple may only have 0.1% market share, but 85% of Digg users are Apple fanbois. Those are facts."
The things you pull out of your arse are not facts. - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -7/+42@wageslave1
I have been harping on the no keyboad stylus point since launch now.
The iPhone will make a really poor smartphone for people who use it a lot for email.
However where it may excel is
1. Internet browsing
2. Music and Video.
This might be more than enough to catapult it to the masses and make it a success. It wont be getting any business users to sign up anytime soon. - Matthews255, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32http://duggmirror.com/apple/Hi_I_m_an_iPhone_And_I_m_a_Smartphone/
- asiegrist, on 06/20/2009, -9/+39Awesome, great comic.........(btw, why the ***** is the first comment on every topic so stupid??)
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38I'll tell you why this thing is aimed at Corporate Users...because no one else is going to find them particularly useful!
1) They're expensive to buy *and* operate. Most 'home' users are used to phones that cost between $0 and $200. How much is the iPhone again? You also have to have an "all you can eat" data plan to really make these things live up to their promise. Take your $30 a month cell phone bill and add an extra $30 for Inet access. Ouch.
2) They're bulky. Most 'home' users phone are smaller than a package of cigarettes, making them easily pocketable. The iPhone is almost the same size as the Samsung in that picture and it is NOT pocketable.
3) Battery life. 'smartphones' go through batteries like crazy. Most smartphones cannot get more than a full days use with an extended battery pack on it. The iPhone will be no exception, and it will be WORSE because you can't even swap batteries during the day. Now, listen to 90 minutes of audio on your iPhone and the battery will be dead before 3PM...leaving you with no cell phone until you can recharge the thing!
Now, business users, who make up the majority of the market, put up with these drawbacks because the live email, calendering, contacts, tasks, notes, makes up for it. However, where is the upside for a 'home' user? Why should they buy one of these?
I'm no Apple hater, but this iPhone is not going to be nearly as useful as most people think. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30Truthful points?
There wasn't anything untruthful about that comic.
The only thing that is slightly off is the push email deal. Even then push e-mail is only going to be available from Yahoo email service. Not google. Not your Exchange or Postfix or OSX server at work. Not your ISP server at home. Yahoo and that's it.
No push calender, no push contacts, no push tasks.
Additionally we've been doing GPS mapping, media playing, word / excel document editing, and all of that other stuff for YEARS now.
Apple is late to the party. - gremos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22@ undersky
$100 a month service fee, check. - FartyMcPooPants, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27It's the lack of a 'bubbly' keypad that annoys me the most.
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm quite adept at diallng numbers, or even tapping out SMS messages with one hand, often by touch alone.
I can't see how that will work with a touchscreen, where you have no tactile feedback as to where you are on the keyboard.
I know, I know, it's such a big screen I will want to stare at it all the time whilst using it... but er.. no, I'm just being practical. I can see where people who do genuinely want it for movie / music playback with phone as a secondary option liking it, and I hope they enjoy it, but it's not for me. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -53/+70@elioty
Exactly. The iPhone isn't even out yet, yet all the fanbois think its the best thing since sliced bread and better than everything thats out now. Arrogant much? Its not jealousy, its called the truth. - robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -28/+44The iPod is going to be a usability nightmare! I'm telling you. How are you supposed to spin that little wheel and stare at the screen at the same time? And I'm super serial about this guys. And on top of that, I chew gum a lot and the combination of iPod click wheel and chewing gum is going to screw me right up.
And anyway, it doesn't play Ogg and everyone knows that for a media device to succeed it must cater to the Ogg-demanding .05% of the market. What is Apple thinking?!?!
/sarcasm - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19We'll see. I'm no Apple hater but I've got years of using a 'regular' phone and a 'smartphone' telling me what the reality is.
If nothing else BATTERY life is going to be the killer.
The iPhone does not have a swappable battery. This means that when you run your iPhone out of juice by Noon because you were watching video and listening to music that you're going to spend the next few hours hoping nobody calls you...because your phone is going to be sitting on the charger.
With non-converged devices this is not an issue. When your I-pod is dead it's just an inconvience. When your CELLPHONE battery is dead though that's a much larger issue.
Argue with me and Digg me down all you like but you cannot change the twin realities of power consumption and battery technology. - signal15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17This is precisely the reason Apple needs to allow 3rd party apps on the phone, to take care of some of the things they didn't bother with and people want.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -28/+44As we see from iPod market domination of DAPs, consumers want a device that's EASY to use, not one that's crammed with tech specs. So while the hardcore geeks may shun the iPhone for other devices, the broad marketplace likely will not.
Frankly, the only major iPhone deficiency from my perspective is GPS functionality. With that big touch screen, can you imagine what a great navigational device the iPhone would be? I've wanted a nice GPS unit for my car for years, but thus far they've all had critical flaws (high price, or small screens, or lack of touch controls, etc.). If I had an iPod + phone + GPS device I could mount on the dash of my car, $600 would look like a downright bargain. Let me connect it to my car audio system via the dock connector, and the verbal driving directions would mute my music as needed. My music would also be muted for incoming phone calls via Bluetooth. Truly the killer gadget.
Come on Apple, throw a GPS chip in there and give me the whole enchilada! My $$$ waits patiently... - VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I just got a Motorola Q from Sprint on Friday. It cost me $25 without having to renew my contract or anything, just took a few calls to get the right rep. ;)
Anyway, I spent way more time over the weekend playing with this thing than I would like to admit. It is an awesome piece of hardware. Apps like Microsoft Live Search are, actually, really well done. The homescreen can be customized in infinite ways with cool plugins to make you as personal as you want it to be. I even had a home screen that makes it look like the iPhone, but that was more for fun than actual usability.
Bottom line, I have not used an iPhone, and I doubt anyone else in here has. But I can say that for the price of my Moto Q vs the price of the iPhone, I don't see the point. I already have Gmail setup on my phone, as well as IM clients, Opera, and a ton of other easy to find Apps that make life easier.
If the iPhone does not allow 3rd party apps like I have been hearing, then it will never hit 1/10th of the potential my Q has.
The iPhone has the screen real estate and it has some cool touchpad stuff, but for everday use, without 3rd part apps, I can't see it ever being as useful. I am not talking about business level stuff either. I am in college and have found many many apps that I still need that I do not believe Apple will provide, at least not cheaply.
We will wait and see, right now its all speculation, but I could go on and on about this phone, it really is nice. It has a BT remote feature that lets you fully control your PC from anywhere. Media Player, or even user the cursor as a mouse. Has damn good range too. I know, stupid stuff, but it makes for a great remote for your HTPC's without having to buy a Media Center remote or something.
But its little stuff like that, that if the iPhone does not have, it will run into some resistance.
Once again though, wait and see, the iPhone could be amazing, I just hope it gets cheaper.
OH, and I hope they get it away from just Cingular. I don't care if the phone was free, my Sprint plan is unbeatable and with EVDO everywhere I go and free laptop teathering, Cingular does not come close. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Smartphones make up a very thin slice of the cell phone market. It's somewhere on the order of a few percent, at most. Most people barely use any other feature on a phone other than making calls.
I don't think that smartphones as we know them today like Windows Mobile, Palm, and RIM based ones have anything to worry about from the iPhone. Those are (still) targeted primarily at the enterprise user, where Apple can't keep up without Exchange functionality.
I can foresee Apple carving out a comfortable niche among people who don't use their phones like enterprise users... People who you don't expect to be clicking at their crackberries at all times of the day.
Yes, you can compare functionality all you like with Windows Mobile phones, but they are targeted at an entirely different market. This is not like the PC, where the same OS that people use for work is the one they predominantly use at home. In this case, the average user is using a so called "dumbphone" anyway, and the iPhone may appeal to some of those dumbphone users. - shockingbird, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Ha. I've noticed that too. It's either a comment that gets 455 diggs or -455 digs.
- WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@ gizmogear : It's not funny or correct. I'm an apple user but come on; at least make truthful points. I would have laughed if it would have had some truth in it.
Most of those "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" ads aren't correct either, but many people still find them entertaining even when they lack the truth. - contradictator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Most stats are just made up on the spot anyway, 43% of all people know that already.
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -55/+64This is funny, but windows mobile is annoying as all freaking hell. For a device where ease of use and speed are absolutely critical the safety of the user, WM fails miserably. It won't take much to best Microsoft in this arena.
To get to my call history - Start, More, Down, Left, Select
Then to see the time someone called - Down, Down, Down, Down. (since method of call, cell or land, is more important than time)
Task Manager has nothing to do with Tasks at all, it's a process viewer but the icon is right next to tasks. Huh?
You can't rearrange your start menu.
You can't put shortcuts on the home screen.
The alarm clock only plays the sound a single time, not like an alarm clock.
No onscreen reminder for keys in voicemail - have to listen to press 7 to delete, press 9 to save, press #1 to undelete, press 5 for more options.
The other phones I tried weren't much better. - rattsabre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Nazi Germany had good marketing too.
- jkendel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Purely based on contents of your comment, you will most likely use spreadsheets to create a mission critical database.
- thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@Quix
So they're NOT targeting the people who they already know have the cash and needs to warrant purchasing some sort of "smart phone"? These things have been around for AGES - most of the people that don't have them don't have enough use for them to justify dropping $500+ USD.
If anything, they should be targeting the market that can afford these phones, that actually use these phones, and that upgrade their hardware every 1-2 years. The average consumer isn't ready to drop that much loot on a cell phone, at least I don't they are. Time will tell, I suppose. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Digg is not the only tech site accused of being mac biased. Lots of the bigger tech sites are... I wonder why? (rhetorical) "
MONEY! Digg and others (slashcrap for instance) are sponsored by Apple. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Over the past few days I've had a few experiences that illustrate why the lack of a physical keyboard/keypad is a bad thing.
1. Dialing outdoors. Screens are tough to read in direct sunlight. I was able to dial easily using my keypad though.
2. Dialing while reading a number. I had a phone number on a business card, and I was able to dial as I read the number, rather than going back and forth.
3. Dialing with screen problems. I managed to damage my screens touch sensitivity a few days ago (my fault). It hardly affects my use of the phone because I can use the keyboard/hot keys/d-pad to do almost everything. Hell, even if the screen died completely I could still easily make a call.
I have experience with touchscreen only phones. I have little doubt that the iPhone will do the touchscreen better than it has ever been done before, but it's still not as good as physical keys. For many people the smaller size may make the trade-off worthwhile, but don't kid yourself that lack of physical buttons is an advantage. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Yeah, well, let me tell you. All smartphones, regardless of manufacturer or OS, share a few common problems. This WILL include the iPhone.
1) They're expensive.
2) They're bulky.
3) They go through batteries faster than ***** through a goose.
Now, for the business users who make up a good 90% of the smartphone market the ability to do live scheduling, email, tasks, and contacts makes up for these drawbacks. Will a 'home' user really want to spend this kind of money on a phone that doesn't offer them any benefit?
Seriously, where's the upside here? A phone that's half again as big as what you're used to, costing between to and six times as much money that goes through batteries ten times faster than what you have now. Just so you can watch a video or listen to a song?
You're kidding me right? - combustion8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6will I be able to edit excel or word docs on the iphone? I dont think so.
I will gladly keep my htc wizard thanks. - snowboarder04, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16That strip pretty much sums it all up right there, the HTC P3300 defecates over the iPhone from a great height.
- VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10If you have a stylus, then you don't have a Smartphone, you have a PPC.
- JimV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I imagine that the iPhone won't be much fun to use after the screen gets all covered with grease and cheetos from being touched all the time.
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -21/+26Wageslave,
Have you used an iPhone in order to make these assessments? - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"how much of that screen will you be able to see when you are poking the screen with your finger?"
I won't be poking the screen when I'm watching videos, and I won't have to worry about putting away a stylus or losing it. I can't keep track of my pens as it is, - finezapa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5whichever device delivers my porn to me the fastest has my dollar!
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Sounds like someone is not really "enjoying their crappy phone" either, or else they would net get so riled up about a newcomer.
- ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So your solution to crap battery life is for people to have battery chargers in every location they ever go? Seriously? When I was buying a new smart phone I _specifically_ bought one that could actually last a few days on battery because charging the thing every 4 hours isn't a ***** solution.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8iPhone: "I sync with a Mac.
Windows Smartphone: "congratulations for syncing with less than 4% of the market. BTW I sync with Macs too."
http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_windowsmobile.php - ibis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"I don't really like the iPod, but it won purely because the execution on the features it does have was an order of magnitude better than the competition."
You misspelled "marketing". - VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You admitted to getting a Dash, AND to having T-mobile? You have guts...
All joking aside, the Dash is not a good Smartphone, that isnt Microsofts fault, it was a crappy phone to begin with.
My Smartphone syncs fine with Mac's, Vista, XP, even Linux.
Also has not given me any freezing problems I did not cause when trying to install every app I ran across.
I mean some of your comments show your real lack of knowledge on the subject. You say BT didn't work, well that isn't the OS's fault either. That is a fault of whatever cheap ass chipset they put in that phone.
Bottom line is, you bought a "Smartphone" that has a RETAIL cost of $349. It's like buying a $20 phone from T-mobile and saying it does not have very good reception or voice quality. - Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7The Zune will have more share in the MP3 market than the iPhone does of the mobile market. Still Mac fans scream the Zune is a failure but at 1% the iPhone is a huge success. Wow, you people are delusional. Can not have it both ways. If the iPhone is a success at 1% or less then the Zune is a success.
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Has anybody actually used an iPhone for text messages? I see one of its biggest failings is the on screen qwerty keyboard. I mean, think of it, the screen is less then 2.5" wide, yet it places a full "qwertyuiop" row across the screen, meaning that these icons are less then 1/4" wide. That's not a lot of room for thumbing a message, especially without any tactile feedback. I don't think Apple was too smart in thinking of entering text messages on the iPhone, and without good email/text messaging support, the iPhone isn't in the same market as smartphones or blackberries.
There is a reason why most smartphones these days have some form of physical keyboard on them, most people baulk at touchscreen typing, even with a stylus. - sleepwalkers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Except you forget one thing: It's at least $500. People who enjoy having a keyboard on their phone are not exclusively the "geeky" type (whatever that may be). It's anyone who has used an IM client on their phone (more than you'd think) and anyone who is addicted to text messaging (which seems like almost the entire US populous under 20).
The reason the lack of a keyboard is such a problem is that you can't touch type and you don't get the tactile feedback that you're used to, even with a standard 0-9 keypad on a cell phone. The lack of a stylus I don't care so much about (since the UI will be designed around the lack of precision a finger provides), but the lack of a keyboard will be a deal breaker to many that aren't the business type. - addicted44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@farty
However, are you adept at single handed typing with "smartphones"? At least I cannot physically do that, because the keypad is too big for my hand (I have small hands, and no I am not a teenager or child). - ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Enjoy the same high resale value that most other Apple products traditionally offer?"
Except the lithium battery will be dead by then and can't be replaced... Grrr, what is it with Apple and not making batteries (easily) replaceable. It may be the single most annoying thing about them. - VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"1) They're expensive.
2) They're bulky.
3) They go through batteries faster than ***** through a goose."
Well let me tell YOU,
1) It depends, as I stated before I got my Moto Q for $25, and that is before I sell my A920 which will net me $110 on eBay, meaning I get paid roughly $80 to get a Smartphone.
2.) Bulky my ass. My Q is half the thickness of a Samsung A920, and is only a little wider, and slightly taller (the A920 is a clamshell, so this should be obvious, when the 920 is open, it is the same height)
3.) No battery problems that I have seen. The MOL1 software for the Q, that was out about a year ago, had battery issues. Now the battery lasts well through the day with frequent use. For a slim phone, especially a slim Smartphone, that is very good. Extended batteries are cheap and easy to get if you really need it. My Q charges through USB and uses a standard mini USB end, which is common, or an AC/DC adapter, so really I am never without power.
You need to check your facts. - undersky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I am on a blackberry right now. I take the hassle to log in and comment over the slow edge network to set the record straight. While smartphone with MS OS suffer ridiculously useless battery life (blackjack comes with two batteries and still can't last 16 hrs), blackberry 8800 easily last three days. After a day of maybe 1 hour talk time, 2 hrs browsing and 50 emails, it's 75% full.
So please don't say the smart phone = bad battery life. - S1ngular1ty1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My phone has google maps and it is not an iPhone. It isn't even a smart phone really.
- dDuk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I have an Apple Mac. I'm on Digg. I dugg you down. It's not because I'm an Apple fanboy, it's because I think you're an idiot.
To tell the truth, I don't like the iPhone and I'm not gonna get one. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware in concept, but for the amount of memory for the money you get, the fact it is touchscreen only, and the fact you're tied into one phone company for two years it just sucks. This cartoon is spot on. Yeah, the iPhone will do well, but I would always prefer my compact 'phone', which is what I need it for. As an Apple user I don't worship Apple and everything they make, I like OS X and I like their computers. Period.
I just wish they wouldn't forget that they also make computers as a part of their business, not just selling fashionable gadgets. Apple Inc is a bad turn of events for us that just want their computers and OS. - sagat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Ireland you must be the king of the apple fanboys.
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