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- Lyanto, on 11/16/2007, -5/+72Keep in mind that the Hackintosh only cost $800 (it's mentioned several times in the comments). While it's true that the memory size does slant the results in its favor, it doesn't change the fact that a DIY beat a more expensive Mac counterpart in half of the tests.
- slashbot, on 11/16/2007, -9/+74The point of these so-called 'skewed' results is that his machine with much better specs was built for less money than the mac comps he compared it to.
He did it to show you can get much better performance for less $ and still run mac OS - mattluiz, on 08/28/2009, -5/+55Thank you, someone actually getting the point of building the Hackintosh system.
- Ozmotear, on 11/16/2007, -10/+53Hackintosh = $800
Mac Pro = $2,500
MacBook Pro = $2,000
If that extra Ram is really bothering everyone so much why not subtract it from the build cost.
Or is it just easier to ignore the fact that the Apple tax exists? - mach4x0r, on 11/16/2007, -43/+76pop 4GB ram into the Mac Pro and Macbook Pro and then test again, otherwise BS skewed results
- ThreeDee912, on 11/16/2007, -16/+491 GB RAM != 4 GB RAM
1 core !=2 cores
etc...
Interesting results, but because the specs greatly vary, the results don't mean much. What should be done is get the a Mac and PC with similar specs, and show the benchmarks and price of each. - fuzzynyanko, on 11/16/2007, -8/+41It IS biased. Most Mac Pros cost at least twice as much as the Hackintosh. He needs to build a $2000 Hackintosh and bench that as well.
- rubixsphere, on 11/16/2007, -10/+37All I know is im building a hackintosh! forget shelling out for apples pricey hardware
- OBKenobi, on 11/16/2007, -2/+26[quote]the Apple-built competition[/quote]
Some of you mistakenly assume that Apple builds its own hardware. Open up your Mac (or better yet, use a utility to identify the vendor) and take a look at who manufactured your Mac's motherboard. Most likely it is Asus, not sure who Apple is using these days for what, it's a few different companies. - deadbaby, on 11/16/2007, -6/+28Not skewed at all. The Mac Pro with 2GB is significantly more expensive. I believe that was the point the benchmark was trying to show.
- maexus, on 11/16/2007, -4/+26Yea, the Hackintosh has 4GB of memory (twice that of the Macbook Pro and quadruple the MacPro) and has a faster processor than the Macbook Pro
- mattewood, on 11/16/2007, -5/+25I give you credit for entering this arena.. it's good motivation to others.
Though, like others, I'd wish you could refine the testing to more equal equipment. I'm really curious honestly. - sonochamp, on 11/16/2007, -0/+19The individual parts are under warranty. If you need anything beyond that, especially software related, you really shouldn't be building your own computer.
- timjim31, on 11/16/2007, -1/+20then give the hacintosh 2 dual cores and then test again
- rpark, on 11/16/2007, -2/+19I'm not sure why you're getting dug down but if people would RTFA they would see that the Mac Pro is using Tiger unlike the other two which are running Leopard.
- cowboy86, on 11/16/2007, -1/+17You miss the point. It's cheaper! If they spent the same price on the hackistosh hardware it would ***** all over everything Mac.
- Resiroth, on 11/16/2007, -1/+15Yes, but the hackintosh would be around 450 and the mac pro would be around 2,000. If they made a 2,000 dollar hackintosh it would probably have 2 8800s in SLI with a quad core processor and 4 gigs of ram. I don't think any mac pro is going to hold a candle to that.
- cowboy86, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14The article is about building something better than a Mac for less. Try reading and comprehending the fact that your overpriced hardware can be outperformed for much less.
- djrbx, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14Since Apple runs on EFI instead of a BIOS we need to emulate it to fool OS X so that it can boot. Thats why it takes long
Posted with my Hackintosh, but not from his tut. - NinjaJoey, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14OR
Make the PC with parts equaling the cost of the Macbook Pro. - natedouglas, on 11/16/2007, -8/+21And the OS.
- Resiroth, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14Yes, the results are skewed. but you could probably build a hackintosh with a quadcore (2.4 ghz at newegg for 280 ) 4 gigs of ram (100 )and an 8800 (400 ) for less than the mac pro. They should have matched the price. Yes the results are skewed but think about it, apple charges 400+ by cutting out the competition for maximum profit when you can buy the same thing, with the same performance and put it in a hackintosh for 1/4 to 1/3 the price. Sorry but it's not his fault Apple charges too much for their products.
- cowboy86, on 11/16/2007, -4/+171. 2.4 Ghz Quad Core Xeon Processors = $268.17 x 2= $536.34
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=XEON3220BX&c=fr&p ...
2. 2x4 GB DDR2 Corsair 800Mhz ram= 54.99 x4= $219.96 after MIR (8 GB Ram total)
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3. ASUS DSBV-DX Dual 771 = $209.99
Couldn’t find your price but am using it anyway. From the other person that posted this price.
4. Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 =$219.00 (price listed at this site)
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5. Apevia X-Cruiser-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case= $64.99
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6. Rosewill RX950-D-B ATX12V V2.2 950W Power Supply= $219.99 with free ram.
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7. Seagate Barrcuda 500 GB HD x 2= $289.98
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8. Toshiba SD-H903A HD DVD Burner =$199.99
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9. Gyration GO 2.4 Cordless Mouse and Keyboard= $99.99
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10. Leopard OS= $129.99
11. iLife 2008= 79.99
12. Hanns-G 19 inch 5ms widescreen LCD monitor= $159.99
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$2430.20 This is with a high priced keyboard and a lcd monitor. So if you want to bitch just take about $210.00 off for taxes. If I had $2500 in hand right now I would build this than any Mac at the same price. It would easily outperform anything in the same price range as a mac. - cowboy86, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14Hackintosh would own the hell of of Apple hardware.
- timjim31, on 11/16/2007, -0/+12and a slower processer than the mac pro.
- peterinjapan, on 11/16/2007, -3/+15How is the Hackintosh going forward, I wonder? I mean, sure you got it to work, and I assume it runs all hardware, e.g. an iSight will work if you hook one up, all that stuff, although I am sure Boot Camp wouldn't work on it (too much special boot stuff). But you lose out on the "it mostly just works" part of being a Mac user, which may or may not be worth the money saved. I mean, no OS updates, since they might muck up your patched Hackintosh. You'd have to basically redo the whole install when you wanted to move from 10.5 to 10.5.1, verifying what worked and what was needed. I understand the fun of hacking, but I'm just wondering if your time is so totally valueless?
- shawnanigans, on 11/16/2007, -0/+12I get that there is more RAM, but please don't miss the point on this. You have a computer that is 1/3 the cost of its competitors in the benchmarks and performs very well. Question isn't should there be more RAM in Macs but would you be willing to pay a premium of double the actual build costs for an Apple logo and a legal version of Leopard.
- fuzzynyanko, on 11/16/2007, -0/+12Come to think of it, most PC parts carry at least a 1-year warranty. Typically an OEM CPU: 1 year. Retail CPU: 3 year. Video card: 1-5 years (high end cards usually have 3-5), hard drives: 1-5 years (5 years for Seagate), RAM: lifetime. Power supply: 1-5 years. And he was using some high-end stuff.
- robotvsmonkey, on 11/16/2007, -0/+11Why wouldn't he have a warranty? They usually last a year (no different than Apple's policy).
- wafflez, on 11/16/2007, -0/+11erm...He paid $800 for the hackintosh if remember correctly..Now the price of a mac pro is ~$3000? (correct me if that's far off)...For the performance, if the guy just sprang for a slightly better video card and processor, it's a REALLY good buy. of course before someone makes the os argument, even if one purchases a legal copy of leopard it'll still be economically better...
- 7717, on 11/16/2007, -1/+12God forbid someone who can actually build a PC that runs Mac OS from scratch would need tech support from India or wherever.
- jeet404, on 11/16/2007, -0/+11Have you never heard of like say individual warranty (don't know what they call it manufacture warranty?). I build my own PC and if my processor went dead I would just call AMD and they would replace it as long as its not damaged with overclocking, or user error. Like others have said the only thing you would kind of be dead is on the software support side.
- BrainInAJar, on 11/16/2007, -0/+10no, apple can make a lot of money selling computers with a selling feature: OSX
selling OSX on it's own would result in apple becoming the next Be Inc.
as much as you wish apple would sell you OSX for your beigebox, that would be about the worst business move they could do. Last time they tried licensing macos, it nearly killed the company - wafflez, on 11/16/2007, -1/+11Actually, the warranties from the part manufacturers for all the parts he used tend to extend all the way to 3-years w/ free replacements...most computer companies don't do the same. Also, building a computer maxes out at about 45 minutes. Now if you think that 45 minutes = roughly $500 (just a guess here...), then you're very rich/don't understand computers, go buy a mac.
- cowboy86, on 11/16/2007, -3/+12 You're an idiot. The whole point is to prove that for 25% of the price you can get something that runs better than a mac. Imagine if he spent 2000-2500 dollars on it? When it's owning at 800 dollars.
- Seifey, on 11/16/2007, -1/+10"(which is about 500 dollars cheaper then a comparatively priced Dell)"
Uh, what? - MrPig, on 11/16/2007, -5/+14The entire 45 minutes? That is assuming he has a brain of course....
- CodeCobalt, on 11/16/2007, -8/+16skewed sure, but really for most of the benchmarks, memory doesn't have much to do with whats going on. While I agree that equal memory would make the results a lil closer it wouldn't be very significant.
Also Lyanto had it right, even with the 4GB memory, its still cheaper than the others, so i'd say its a rather fair comparison. Get more bang for your buck, ya know? - ninja0, on 11/16/2007, -1/+9***** the warranty.
- MrMacMan, on 11/16/2007, -0/+8that's not true... apple has how-to's on how to add ram to their machines on their website.
- fuzzynyanko, on 11/16/2007, -0/+8Dude. Don't get a VIA chipset. Go with Intel, NVidia, or AMD/ATI.
- ElliotTrudeau, on 11/16/2007, -1/+9I think the point of this article is not the comparison of the systems performance but what performance can be achieved for the value of the components.
For $800 bucks that is a pretty nice mac. - threemagic, on 11/16/2007, -1/+8In his benchmarks the OS has a lot to do with it (or why bother mentioning the OS anyway). The reality is the Mac Pro only had 1gb of memory so there was a lot of disk swapping going on...the xeon's in the machine destroyed the other machines in pure processing power.
- robotvsmonkey, on 11/16/2007, -0/+7TomKarpik:
Ok, so you're saying, going to the Apple Store, hoping for the chance to talk to someone working there who isn't busy with 10 customers already and asking them to bring out the Mac from the back of the store doesn't take as long as buying the parts to put it together? Oh and don't forget if you want extra RAM, they may have to install it, which can take a good amount of time depending on how busy they are.
This negates your argument of him having to go buy the parts.
Since, a lot of the Macs being sold right now don't come with Leopard installed (you get a disc to upgrade), you'd have to go through the installation process yourself too.
So really, there isn't much of a time difference and really...that extra amount of time wasted isn't worth ~1000. At least it wouldn't be for me (and i have both, btw). - benitojuarez, on 11/16/2007, -2/+94gb of apple ram costs around $1500 doesnt it? Thats almost twice the cost of the guys hackitosh just in the ram. 4 gb of normal ram can be had for $220 in 4x1gb modules.
- RobotBuddha, on 11/16/2007, -1/+8Tell me about it. It's like how some runners wear different socks. How are we supposed to know which sock looks better when going by at high speed if they don't coordinate? It's almost like they're trying to measure something we're not. But that'd be crazy, or a metaphor, or something like that.
- fuzzynyanko, on 11/16/2007, -4/+11Yet is half the price!
- zomgflamer, on 11/16/2007, -2/+9Horrible analogy. What determines good computer is the OS and its performance. You have a same OS and similar performance by the $800 Hackintosh compared to the $2000+ mac.
Now if you can look at your mac case and blow a load then maybe the extra grand is worth it for you but uh nice cars can get you laid but a stylish computer, chicks will just mistake you for a gay. -
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