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- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14How many of you have ever actually seen what comes with an Apple notebook vs. a comparatively priced PC notebook.
To start with $1099 is not a big difference I paid $1171 for an HP laptop with similar specs. The difference is the Apple laptop has a camera, comes with far more software has a much better warranty, looks better and works harder. If all you want is something to tap out letters to home on then go for the cheapest you can find, there is no reason to get anything more. My computers are tools, they need to work and I need to be able to get the best I can for value.
Try finding a PC software package similar to iLife... then try and get Dell to install it for free. - erhino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Using old "intarweb" words when they have gone out of fashion = "teh stoopid"
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In other news, can anyone confirm that they used to give away a DVI-VGA connector with the iBook G4? - eyevariety, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I think a 1099$ notebook is certainly going to encourage new adopters. This MacBook is quite a bit closer to the Pro than the difference between the iBook and PowerBook.
- bubbagump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11There is more to life than technology. Forbes has NEVER been a tech magazine, they are a business magazine. Apple has to be a successful business at the same time it is a technological success.
Its good to see Apple being well received in both worlds... - odueck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I think complaining about the $100 price increase is unfair. This system offers significant upgrades over the iBook - a larger screen, a much faster processor, a larger hard drive, built-in iSight, the remote for Front Row, etc. I'd say those gains easily offset the higher price. Actually, I don't think that the price in Canada went up at all, thanks to the rising Canadian dollar.
Biggest issue with this new computer is the weight - I believe it is a full pound heavier than my 12" PowerBook G4. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Im so used to MacBook Pros, when I read that I just read Pro after MacBook. im sure many of you did the same
- HiddenLYNX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ye of little faith, I have more friends who are graduating from high school and looking for a good laptop with out the windows CRAP, they know a little about the mac experience, but not quite enough to be confident in paying 1999 for a laptop. These new laptops are aimed at college kids who get laptop and desktops for graduation gifts because they will need something in college. Yes dell can get you something for like $400 if you know how to do their deals in the right way. Apple is straight up easy and logical and manageable.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You know you're on digg too long when you spell "too" like "to". Had to mention it...
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The MacBook:
In the Box
* Apple Remote MacBook
* Apple Remote
* 60W MagSafe Power Adapter, AC wall plug and power cord
* Lithium-polymer battery
* Install/restore DVDs
* Printed and electronic documentation
Processor and memory
* Intel 1.83GHz or 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo processor
* 2MB on-chip shared L2 cache
* 667MHz frontside bus
* 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) on two SO-DIMMs; supports up to 2GB
Storage
* 60GB or 80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive; optional 80GB, 100GB or 120GB drive2
* One of the following optical drives:
o Slot-loading Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW): reads DVDs at up to 8x speed, writes CD-R discs at up to 24x speed, writes CD-RW discs at up to 16x speed, reads CDs at up to 24x speed
o Slot-loading SuperDrive with double-layer read support (DVD R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW): writes DVD-R and DVD R discs at up to 4x speed, writes DVD-RW and DVD RW discs at up to 4x speed, reads DVDs at up to 8x speed, writes CD-R discs at up to 24x speed, writes CD-RW discs at up to 10x speed, reads CDs at up to 24x speed
Battery and power
* 55-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery with integrated charge indicator LEDs
* 60W MagSafe Power Adapter with cable management system
* MagSafe power adapter port
Graphics and Video Support
* Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory1
* Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors
* iSight Built-in iSight camera with 640-by-480-pixel resolution
* Mini-DVI port
* DVI output using mini-DVI to DVI adapter (sold separately)
* VGA output using mini-DVI to VGA adapter (sold separately)
* Composite and S-video output using mini-DVI to video adapter (sold separately)
USB Modem
Communications
* Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)
* Built-in 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme wireless networking (based on 802.11g standard)
* Built-in Bluetooth 2.0 Enhanced Data Rate (EDR) up to 3 Mbps
* Optional external Apple USB Modem
Audio
* Built-in stereo speakers
* Built-in omnidirectional microphone
* Combined optical digital audio input/audio line in (minijack)
* Combined optical digital audio output/headphone out (minijack)
Peripheral connections
* One FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
* Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)
MacBooks
Display
* 13.3-inch (diagonal) glossy widescreen. TFT display with support for millions of colors
* Supported resolutions: 1280 by 800 (native), 1152 by 720, 1024 by 768, 1024 by 640, 800 by 600, 800 by 500, 720 by 480, and 640 by 480 at 16:10 aspect ratio; 1024 by 768, 800 by 600, and 640 by 480 pixels at 4:3 aspect ratio; 720 by 480 at 3:2 aspect ratio
Electrical and environmental requirements
* Meets ENERGY STAR requirements
* Line voltage: 100-240V AC
* Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz
* Operating temperature: 50° to 95° F (10° to 35° C)
* Storage temperature: -13° to 113° F (-24° to 45° C)
* Relative humidity: 0% to 90% noncondensing
* Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet
* Maximum storage altitude: 15,000 feet
* Maximum shipping altitude: 35,000 feet
Size and weight
* Height: 1.08 inches (2.75 cm)
* Width: 12.78 inches (32.5 cm)
* Depth: 8.92 inches (22.7 cm)
* Weight: 5.2 pounds (2.36 kg)
Universal
Software
* Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger (includes Spotlight, Dashboard, Mail, iChat AV, Safari, Address Book, QuickTime, iCal, DVD Player, Xcode Developer Tools)
* iLife %u201906 (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, iWeb, GarageBand), Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, iWork (30-day trial), Big Bang Board Games, Comic Life, Omni Outliner, and Apple Hardware Test
* Front Row
Software
Input
* Built-in full-size keyboard with 78 (U.S.) or 79 (ISO) keys, including 12 function keys, 4 arrow keys (inverted "T" arrangement), and embedded numeric keypad
* Solid-state scrolling trackpad for precise cursor control; supports two-finger scrolling, tap, double-tap, and drag capabilities
* Apple Remote
Security
* Kensington cable lock slot
Your Dell doesn't come with hardly anything. No word processing, no iLife equivalent. So like I said, if you want and over featured type-writer there is your laptop. But how do you justify the near Apple price for this bundle. All of that extra stuff in there for only $75.
The average Joe also knows nothing about computers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think you could resist the horrible pun, or at least not call attention to it. We get it, ok? It's not funny.
- Windsinger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well considering you can LEGALLY install Windows & have a dual OS computer, $1099 is not bad. It is not as powerful as the Pro, and a comparison review of Windows, OSX performance compared to equally priced Windows-based notebooks is needed. But the MAC notebooks generally have been ergonomically (ie: size, weight, battery) superior to most Windows notebooks.
Though I am highly doubtful of that chicklet TI-99 looking keyboard. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Word Perfect hasn't been worth mentioning since WP5 for DOS. My entire University uses Office on both the Macs and Windows, and none have the WP converter installed, so anyone who tries to turn in a wp file can't. At least Pages '05 and '06 can export to .doc format.
- krschuerman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think a core solo model somewhere in the $799-899 price point could draw some consumer interest. That would still be more power than what my kids would need.
- Harlequn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree. Macs aren't really more expensive. Figure out the cost of the bundled iLife software. PC users would probably pay at least $200 for equiv software.
- chad78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TextEdit is actually a robust word processor. And, for $79, you can get iWork pre-installed, and that's a powerful desktop publisher (Pages) and presentation program (Keynote >>>>> PowerPoint).
There is nothing close to iLife for Windows - and even if there were, it doesn't come on a Dell - there is software that is close to the individual applications of iLife (Ifranview ~ iPhoto, Windows Media Player ~ iTunes) - but they don't work together, and they aren't as good as iLife. - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You don't bring out a notebook at $999 in the current market if you're going to make your back to school sales. Let it debut at $1099, then as you get closer to BTS you ramp up the price reductions - say $1049 or $999 (making it $999 or $949 at student prices).
Add in the obligatory iPod Nano bundle (conveniently in black or white to match your Macbook), the Apple standard Epson or HP printer and you've got a "high school/University/I just want one god damnit" bundle. - chad78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is actually a very good idea. A CoreSolo with a ComboDrive, 60 GB.... Maybe no FrontRow or iSight or BlueTooth or something (make those optional). Around $799 - that would work. Someone call Steve Jobs. I've got an important message for him!
- DiggerTheDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The prices look great! Even though Macs don't cost more than PC's in the end, there are many skeptics. I suppose if a user doesn't use the Apple software or the OS to its capability then a Mac is just another computer.
The pricing brings Macs to an even playing field and if the user end up using the Apple software and the OS to their capabilities then they just got a hell of a deal. - aestes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So has anyone noticed these three lines in the tech specs?
* Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet
* Maximum storage altitude: 15,000 feet
* Maximum shipping altitude: 35,000 feet
If the maximum operating altitude if 10,000, should I assume we are all invalidating our warranties when using the laptop on the plane, or does this assume the ambient pressure at that altitude? In other words, does the fact that the plane is pressurized to the equivalent of a lower altitude negate this? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nice pun, you ass-kissing fan boy.
- wardboro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think that in reality the cost of the Mac here is pretty competitive for the hardware you get. I was really pleased to see what 1299 actually buys at the Apple store. I think this is a good move for Apple, a decent PC at a decent price.
"Your Dell doesn't come with hardly anything. No word processing, no iLife equivalent"
I think that arguments about Referring to "MS Office Test Drive" as a word processor are hardly fair. I realize that there isn't an exact equivalent iLife for Windows, but I would guess that most users don't buy a Mac for iLife. I think that as soon as native Photoshop is released I can justify getting one of these for my wife, but it's not for iLife, nor is it for a trial version of office. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2both my iBook ('01) and PowerBook ('04) both came with means of getting VGA from the box as either a mirrored desktop or extended, and Apple listed this feature will be in the MacBook box, so I can't confirm first hand, but historical evidence suggests definitely.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@erhino:
They still include an adapter:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html
Look in the inside the box section - wardboro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I guess your definition is "included" which means it "just works" out of the box. I'll give it to Apple for that. We both know that OpenOffice or any of its may variants are going to be more feature rich than TextEdit. I don't know enough about iWork to comment, but I imagine it's not any more feature rich than any open source office suite.
For everything that you can get as a part of iLife, there is a reasonable open source equivalent. It may not be perfect, and iLife probably is better, but it's not as if comparable programs are not available cross-platform. These programs may not work together, but I think that mac users overvalue iLife when they try to make comparisons. This kind of comparison is akin to me undervaluing the onboard mouse because it doesn't have a second button. "Just add an external one" okay, and I can "just install Audacity, Amaya, Picasa, and live with Windows Movie Maker. (How many times in your life have you actually used iMovie?)" They may not be as pretty as iLife, but they get the job done. Even better I could just dump Windows and install a good Linux distro, and I would have a comparable productivity suite and so much more.
There may not be perfect cross-platform solutions, but I think that in some cases Mac users overvalue iLife. That's all. And like I said before, I don't need iLife, so to me it has 0 value. For other users the value might be significantly higher. - oxyg3n, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1You know you've been on digg to long when digg is not the only one duping, but you start to repeat random words. ;-)
- MisterKen, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4(I think a 1099$ notebook is certainly going to encourage new adopters.)
I dunno..
I've always thought the move to Intel chips sent a subliminal message that Macs would get cheaper. I know the hoopla was about performance but I think the nuance was that Apple was moving to more readily available chips. I may be wrong but I thought that would allow them to dip down farther into the sub $1000 market.
I'm looking for a laptop for my daughter and have been waiting for this one to come out. I've got to admit the $750 Dell is more 'early adopter' priced. - andrewa, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Hey, it's black, it has an Intel, and runs Windows... Why wouldn't they love it?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5I think a 1099$ notebook is certainly going to encourage new adopters??
Only college kids living off their parents, and Uncle Sam. People with a mortgage will always go for the better deal and quality from other manufactures. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2You know you've been on digg to long when you start spelling spelling digs with two g's. The only exception is if Forbes created an account here and pressed the digg it button themselves. I suppose it will be a matter of time though before digg goes into the American dictionary.
- taude, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Um, the dell comes with Word Perfect, which is word processing -- thought I 'd point that out since you're the second person to claim such.
- GreatBunzinni, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Yeah. That's marketing for you. And a very expensive campaign too. After all what the article says is something in the light of "ignore the fact that apple computers are obviously a lot more expensive than their PC equivalents. If we look at it in some precise light and ignoring obvious facts then we can fool you into believing that macs are indeed as expensive as PCS."
I don't know how this "news story" is getting all this attention. Really I don't. - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2No Trackpoint and only single mouse button kinda suck. Touchpads suck ass. Any decent laptop has a Trackpoint. I went from using a laptop with touchpad to using a Thinkpad with only Trackpoint and the experience is so much better. Why hasn't Apple picked up on this? They are supposed to be the ones with the most usable products. And a single mouse button is a pain if you are going to be running Windows (or even Linux) in a VM or dual-booting.
Still it looks pretty sweet and I might get one. I've got a 1st-gen Mac Mini and now feel I should've got an iBook instead because the Mac Mini is basically a laptop without the screen and battery. This could take the place of my Mac Mini and be mostly a desktop machine, but also be portable when I need it. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Average Joe is a ***** moron
- rakamaka, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Do apple add any diamonds on top of the laptop?
Can you convince average Joe(90% population) that Mercedez has better parts than camry?
Can you convince average joe that AOL dialup($26/mo) has better quality than another ISP($8/mo)
Can you convince average joe that $200 Nordstrom shirt has better quality than $20 Walmart shirt?
NO WAY,
Whatever you glorify about Apple, it will not boil down to average Joe who waits at 0500AM on blackout sales days at Bestbuy or Circuitcity.
And no one here is considering equally high priced Working PERIPHREALS with your Apple laptop.
Just check following Dell, satisfying average Joe for $1024 1GB mem, 100GB HD, XP media Center, 15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA Display
Install Antivir, Adware, Spybot, ZoneAlarm (all free)or Linux or FreeBSD and you get secured fortess as Mac.
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Inspiron E1505:
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Operating System (Office software not included):
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005 WMCE [420-5924][463-2282][420-5460][420-5476][420-5755][412-0689][420-4830] [420-4928] 11
Operating System Re-Installation CD:
PC Restore recovery system by Symantec PCR [464-5503] 135
LCD Panel:
15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA Display 15XGA [320-4650] 2
Memory:
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Hard Drive:
100GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive 100GB [341-3109] 8
Combo/DVD+RW Drives:
8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability 8XDVDRW [313-3959][420-5775][420-5901] 16
Wireless Networking Cards:
Dell Wireless 1390 802.11b/g Mini Card (54Mbps) TM1390 [430-1628] 19
Video Card:
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 INTVID [320-4653] 6
Sound Card:
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Primary Battery:
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Network Card and Modem:
Integrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem INTNIC [430-0493] 13
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Award Winning Service, Support E1505S2 [465-1181] 82
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Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience SEP [412-0865][412-0856] 399 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+2REAL QUALITY FRONT PAGE STUFF.
A frickin review piece? - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3that's great.
apart from it hasn't happened yet, so it's not news. - skunkman62, on 10/12/2007, -21/+3apple = teh ghey
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