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- Riggs54, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19You can download it.
http://www.apple.com/iwork/trial/
Splidow. - Thataboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Numbers is bloody excellent. It imported all of my Excel docs flawlessly.. it does everything I could possibly need (I'm admittedly not a super power business user).
- Hayl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12As soon as I found out that there is a spreadsheet app, I ordered iWork '08, downloaded the demo, and uninstalled Office 2004. Microsoft can bite me: they have already delayed their next OS X Office suite, haven't supplied a converter for the new Office (open) format, and I'd rather spend less than $100 for something that does all and more than I want than several hundreds of dollars for something from the Ballmer gang. Universal version of Photoshop has been available for ages, there is no reason why MS Ofice shouldn't be early ready or already completed.
- tyrione, on 10/10/2007, -0/+960,000 lines? 24 Columns?
So you have a 60k x 24 (M x N) Matrix?
Your data model is very bad.
Your choice not to use a Relational Database to model is even worse. - bbcountach, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11"Whilst it sort of worked, it also sort of didn't work,..."
i love it. so descriptive!
meh, kinda, but not quite. - DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Umm, maybe he imported files from work and doesn't own a copy of Excel for Mac? Or maybe he only has purchased Office for Windows for use on his PC and he wants a cheaper (and native) option for his Mac? Or maybe he doesn't like the slowness of Office for Mac (it runs with Rosetta translation)? There are lots of possibilities.
Anyway, I have tried Numbers and found it to be quite good. I don't use pivot tables or some of the more advanced features in Excel. I suspect it will satisfy most Mac owners and the price is affordable. - DPimp1262, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Downloading the 30 day trial now. Lets see how good it really is.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Isn't Leopard supposed to have system-wide grammar checking?
Spelling and Grammar checking are both services that should be offered at the OS level. Kind of silly if each application implements its own. - teflonmann, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7This might have something to do with Exchange (R) being an Mircosoft (R) Product. But if you wait till October you'll get a shiny new standards-based iCal server that is fully OSS and will integrate nicely into iCal, Mail, etc.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6What, dost thou speak in parables to thy friends?
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6no, you just don't understand their ads. they try to change the idea that a computer is just a complicated machine for work.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9By your reckoning, there are only about 133,000 computers in the world.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Yes it can.
- Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Except for the..iRiver.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8There's a 30 day demo.
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6How many home users have spreadsheets with more than 60,000 lines? I can't think of a single reason your average home user would need to do that. Numbers looks like it's a solid entry-level program - it isn't supposed to be MS Excel.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Fair enough and there's lots of iProducts released that have nothing to do with Apple but you ask someone "who makes the iRiver?" and the odds are good that they will think it has *something* to do with Apple. It's almost like free advertising, paid for by a rival company.
- Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If Microsoft ever finishes Office 2008 for Mac, I will. Their team did something right with 2007 and did the impossible by not only getting me excited over an office suite, but one made by MS.
Unless iWork 08 has solid interoperability with Office and an equal UI. Even the design gods that work for Apple will have a hard time besting the ribbon, if you ask me. - dasluvaluva, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8As a dedicated Mac user, I'm ashamed at the lack of support for Exchange servers within OS X. Address Book, iCal, and Mail simply lack any real support. The iPhone is the same. Until they can work productively in an office environment (where Exchange is commonplace), Macs will be in the minority.
- rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Heh agree, but note he was talking about iWork '06 here not '08.
- robwilkens, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7That's iCrap(tm).
- guyinthechair, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Jesus they used "whilst" a lot.
- bblades, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4i downloaded the iWork free trial, and I think it is a nice productivity suite for those that need something very simple. Like the iLife software it is an easy way to get something done. Garageband and iMovie are not going to replace Logic and Final Cut, however some people don't need all that horsepower. Personally I love Garageband, it has been the most intuitive recording program I have used, and I have used everything. iWork is something simple that can be used for desktop publishing and presentations. It could make an amateur look better than he is. I think iWork is Apple's answer to Microsoft Works, something for the consumer that wants to make documents look nice. It is a good looking app suite, however for my purposes nothing beats paying $0 for Neooffice.
- chad78, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Why not upgrade to OpenOffice.org 2? It's been out for a long time now. They're up to 2.2.1 now, actually. http://www.openoffice.org/
If you are on Mac, I strongly suggest using NeoOffice. It's free, based on OpenOffice.org, and is much easier to install and more Mac-like.
http://www.neooffice.org/ - zodieman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I've been playing with iWork 08 for a little while today and I can safely say that for me, Office 2004 is coming off my drive.
Others may have more technical requirements for spreadsheets but the addition of Numbers is the final nail in the coffin for my copy of Office.
I use Mail however if Apple updates Mail with full Exchange server support (don't tell me it does now because a lot of corporate environments don't enable IMAP. They stick with that blasted MAPI and most often leave OWA enabled which is the only way Entourage 2004 talks to the Exchange server by the way...) then they will have a decent offering to compete with the Office suite. Until today we were 80% of the way there, now we're probably 90%.
I have a company right now that desperately wants an Exchange server like system that is cross platform but the MS solution is too much money. They have an Xserve and are getting Leopard server as part of their maintenance plan but we still don't know how good the new calendar server is going to be as a potential replacement. Apple advertises it has scheduling support (free/busy server) but only for iCal. CalDav clients and Outlook are unknown in this support yet. - rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Couple of deal breakers for me, although i hate MS Office '04 I cant quite wipe it just yet.
1) Subtotal function doesnt import, this is essential for summing over only visible cells. For instance you would combine it with a filter to show the cost of a subset of records.
2) Slow scrolling on some tables. 500 records with columns A to V, its very slow to scroll, admittedly there is a mix of test formulas and numbers but I don't see how its slower than Rosetta Office '04.
So yeah i'd love to use this but for a couple of essential ( and not really that super-business-user features) it's unworkable. - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7No, because it instantly identifies a product with being from, or connected to, Apple. If Apple released 'life' or 'work', you wouldn't automatically make the connection.
If you ask someone who knows only a little about the computer market to guess who makes the iPod, iPhone, iWork, iMac, etc, you would get more correct answers than if you asked who makes the Inspiron, the Zune, the Dimension, etc. The better question is why can't people figure out why Apple are so attached to the iScheme on their own? - glypht, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3And if McDonalds could stop with the McCrap while we're at it...
- sexybobo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3or the iphone http://www.linksys.com/iphone/
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think iWork is a hedge bet for Apple to have something in place if Microsoft decides that it's practically free money from Mac users buying MS Office for the Mac isn't enough to make it worth their while.
Numbers is a first release and typical first releases from Apple are usually eye candy rich and feature negligent. Future versions will be much improved. Look at Pages and Keynote. Except for when I absolutely must send a doc to an Office using friend, I don't bother with Word, and keynote (IMO) is much better than PowerPoint and has been for some time. - akuzemchak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2thanks so much for that link... i couldn't find a trial download anywhere on apple's site!
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Do you say these things as a joke, or are you foolish enough to actually believe it?
- colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -9/+11This is good. We're 95% Macintosh at work (we have probably around 7000 machines deployed), and we're considering abandoning Office for the Mac. The new iWork might meet our needs (before we were considering OpenOffice/NeoOffice).
- 5plic3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2FYI, Numbers does linear regressions and standard deviations :)
- speg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Instant alpha is amazing!! Love it.
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4And so does your face.
- swazo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2sure thing professor, while you're off solving world issues my flux capacitor is acting up again.
can you look at it? - 110k, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5That's roughly 6,650 Macs... do you work for Apple? ;-p
- swazo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3grammar checker yet?
- robwilkens, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So, you're saying excel is definitely more flexible (and even that's not flexible enough for your wife), but you're happy spending money on something you know is even more confining. Ok, I'll say that's fine. Probably for doing month-do-month budget forecasting for a home, Numbers might be fine. I just don't see people using "real" spreadsheets elsewhere (at work, etc.) and then being happy at home using something else which works differently but does the exact same thing.
- yanked, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Numbers didn't really succeed in importing my Excel file. Specifically, I had x-y scatter charts with lines (a bunch of days and values, basically), and Numbers can't do scatter charts with lines, which seems like a really basic thing. Its scatter chart function, in fact, doesn't really work right at all -- there seems to be a bug where it doesn't allow you to format both x and y axes, and it actually seems to mix up the values for both. Nor is its default formatting for charts as good as MS's -- and that's saying something. Otherwise, Numbers seems like a fine, if unexciting, clone of Excel.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2'grammar checker yet?' - you did that on purpose right
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3why lie
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Just the other iWork apps, Pages has it also.
- robwilkens, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1robotkad? Are you the same guy known as 'Captain Obvious'?
- eagleswings, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Alternatively you could learn how to use correct grammar and type it without the computer telling you whether you are right or wrong.
- CaptainScarlet, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Leopard has a built in grammar checker for all your needs...
- robwilkens, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1+3 diggs, I guess the apple fanboys (which consists of stockholders and employees) went to sleep about the same time I did. The answer is, though, he didn't lie, his employer almost certainly _is_ apple, he just omitted that fact, which is different than a lie.
- robwilkens, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What kind of home users use a spreadhsheet in the first place?
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Just a guess, but maybe it's because Apple doesn't have 90% + of the market and force their own standards down someone else's throat. Before I get hammered, yes I know Mac users are forced to use some of Apple's standards over another, but you do have a choice if one is available.
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