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- gypsycoder, on 10/11/2007, -2/+90Screenshots of the new form elements.
http://nicwaller.com.nyud.net:8080/firefox_native_form_elements/ - PAJK, on 10/11/2007, -4/+56Now we need support for syncing bookmarks, and keychain access.
- afx1, on 10/11/2007, -4/+47@robbh66 "Yeah, because it's _real easy_ to keep APIs consistent between completely different processors."
Um...yeah, the API generally doesn't change much. (that's sorta the point) - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+44I give two ***** about form elements.
Just make the MEMORY LEAKS STOP!!!! - offput, on 10/11/2007, -4/+36"Yeah, because it's _real easy_ to keep APIs consistent between completely different processors."
Do you not understand what an API is? It abstracts away processor/language/database differences. That is its very purpose. - SgtBeavis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31You can download it here: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/experimental/mac-native-forms/firefox-3.0a5pre.en-US.mac.dmg
The dev warns that his code hasn't been accepted by Mozilla yet, so don't bother reporting any bugs.... - Macskeeball, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26I would consider giving Camino a try if you haven't already. It uses the same rendering engine as Firefox, but is inherently more Mac-like and integrated. Recommended sites include http://pimpmycamino.com (for add-ons), and http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=12 (Camino forums)
- Oakes, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Let's see...two visual ads, two blocks of chitika ads, and two blocks of Google ads, all topped off with a nice sludge of in-text ads. I didn't even bother reading it - this is getting insane.
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20tr33fiddy: congratulations on being a dick and not making any sense at the same time.
- Macskeeball, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Nope. Camino is still more integrated with OS X, making use of the Keychain and user-set key combos in System prefs, among other things. There's also a Growl add-on currently available for Camino (GrowlCamino), which I read will eventually be built-in.
- gombly, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Yes. It'd be great if the WebKit team would get its head out of its ass and fix this:
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627
It's been in the tracker for well over a year, and is the primary reason why Safari does not work with sites that use any kind of rich text capability (HTML editors, things like Google Docs/Spreadsheets, etc....despite the title, TinyMCE is far from the only app that this affects).
Contrary to what others have said below, this isn't because those sites are "improperly coded". It's because WebKit is broken.
I like Safari a lot, and it's what I use for most of my routine browsing. Ignoring long-standing bugs like this doesn't make it look good, though. - trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14How is using native widgets adding bloat and slowdowns?
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19@OP
Why will you have to wait for the PPC version. It's OSS. If Apple have kept their API's consistent between PPC and Intel versions it should just be a recompile. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -21/+33I love the Add-Ons! AdBlock Plus, CustomizeGoogle, DownThemAll!, Tab Mix Plus, Smart Bookmarks... Oh so Fun!
- Macskeeball, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11As far as I understand it, iFox is for Linux or Windows users who want a Firefox with a Mac-like UI. For us Mac users, GrApple is a better choice and it can be found at http://www.takebacktheweb.org DO NOT try to install GrApple on anything other than OS X!
- chijim70, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I'd like if they just fixed the damn text bug! Every so often for no apparent reason I can't type in fields either in a page or even in the URL or google search fields. I type on a text doc and bring it back into the forground and it suddenly allows me to type again and sometimes that doesn't even work and requires restarting the browser... THIS is the main reason I don't use firefox anymore. Second is that it doesn't load pages or launch even remotely as fast as safari.
- axxxul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Here is the version were're talking about: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/experimental/mac-native-forms/firefox-3.0a5pre.en-US.mac.dmg
Found on the developper's blog : http://boomswaggerboom.wordpress.com/ - Disjunto, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14because he mentioned vista without insulting it... thought people would realise that by now
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Yeah, Konqueror and Safari use the same rendering engine.
- Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@skyshock21
Firefox 3 passes the Acid2 test. It's not officially released yet, but the point is that it does. - Muncher, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Why is he getting dugg down? Firefox looks like utter crap on Vista.
- BladeMelbourne, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I do care. The last thing I want it ugly/rounded form controls in Firefox.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Doesn't Safari pass Acid2. I know there was a big fuss because the way they went about it made it difficult for the Konqueror team to use the changes to KHTML. In any case KHTML is one of the better engines for standards compliance and does a better job than Gecko for now.
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8skyshock, where are you getting that from? Konqueror does, and I'm sure there are other browsers that do as well.
- davidhildreth, on 10/11/2007, -13/+20native controls, bookmarks, keychain access... how about some decent text rendering?
how about we all just continue to use safari? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7i'm using the GrApple themes. very nice.
http://www.takebacktheweb.org/ - Aupajo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9I personally hate seeing Mac-style buttons in Safari. As a web developer, my primary computer is my Mac, and one of the advantages of using Firefox is that any form elements that need to be styled can be previewed exactly the same as the Windows version of Firefox. I sincerely hope that this is an option that can be disabled.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@robbh66
The fact that the X11 API has consistent implementations across processors and operating systems suggests that yes it is more than doable.
Don't get confused between API's which give source code compatibility and ABI's which deal with binary compatibility. - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -10/+17You think they'd be working on nicer Vista support too. (The FF theme code sucks, it doesn't even render any of the OS's animations)
- n45800, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"Why the hell would you use Safari, when you can't export bookmarks?"
Hmm, I wonder what the Export Bookmarks command in Safari's File menu does..?
"Do you re-enter your bookmarks on every computer?"
No, I use .Mac or Safari Depot.
"Not to mention that you can't add comments to bookmarks, and they're not stored sensibly in a single file. They're stored as a ***** of URL nuggets."
Actually, they are stored in a single XML file in ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist. XML is sensible, right?
"And the last thing we need is OS X's dated-looking widgets in the browser. Aqua = blue iMac from last decade"
You perfer Fisher Price? - yanked, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Scrolling is the reason I still use Safari instead of Firefox. It's got a lot of great features, and a few sites really only work with Firefox (on the Mac), but dammit, that scrolling is a deal-breaker. The "smooth scrolling" option helps, but it's still not good enough for scrolling down as you read (and I have to say, as a devoted Mac user since 1986, scrolling in Windows IE is even better, alas). Until they perfect their scrolling, it's going to have to continue to be Safari+Saft for me.
- peestandingup, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8This is NOT what Mac users have in mind.
Its still basically a direct port-over from the PC build.
It still doesnt take advantage of OS X stuff like keychain access, etc.
Its still bloated, especially when you start adding extensions that can make it unstable.
Sorry, but throwing some aqua buttons in the app doesnt make it a Mac browser. Its still the same thing underneath. Not saying its a bad browser, but there are DEF better ones out there for Mac. Camino, Safari & OmniWeb are probably the best browsers out there that are REALLY built for Mac. - Protoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Because of just that..It's cross-platform. They aren't going to focus on something that will only benefit Mac unless one developer steps up and works on it.
- Eloom123, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Try the Adblock Plus Firefox extension. It really cleans up pages with ads all over them like this one.
Link: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7the only thing I hate about firefox is that is gtk only.
opera which is based on QT is much much faster and better looking on my box
I hope that this will open a branch to port it to the QT libraries - mercurysquad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I agree, camino is great. Although I miss the extensions, but then again, camino doesn't need to turn into a firefox clone either.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Oh I wasn't aware Konqueror does now? Cool. Okay then, yeah add Konqueror to the list too.
- ronaldpoi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9It's pretty simple:
If you want a good and fast browser, use Safari
If you want a good, fast and more compatible browser, use Camino
If you want a good, fast, compatible and customizable browser, use Firefox - SPThom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I love Firefox, but my biggest complaint on OS X isn't the form widgets, it's the memory footprint. It's noticeable on all platforms, but for some reason it seems like I can't do *anything* else on my Mac if I've got Firefox running. So I tend to stick with Camino unless there's a specific web design need to use Firefox.
- SteveMax, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Yeah, because Firefox's Windows 95 widgets look so much nicer...
- Mcaruso, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I believe Growl notifications (for downloads) were recently built in Firefox aswell.
- koko775, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4If Camino had Google Browser sync I doubt I'd use anything else. I didn't realize until this year, when I used multiple computers regularly, how valuable having a portable profile of cookies and bookmarks are.
(sorry if this sounds like an ad -- I don't mean for it to be) - quazywabbit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@apache2
Optimized builds are made by several people and there are several that have kept the name BonEcho since they can not call it firefox. But the point is that this isn't firefox either. its mindfield, it isn't even in the trunk for what will become firefox 3. So until firefox 3 comes out it will be mindfield. - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The issue is not theme or look of Firefox, it is how it acts on a system with NeXT/MacOS roots.
Drag the digg t-shirt on this page to your desktop on Safari: Creates tshirt.gif . It is not just saving images to desktop, drag it to your document editor (e.g. textedit), it is there as embedded image. As I got a AFP connected mac handy, it even creates file in that shared directory I just tested.
Drag it using Firefox: You see LINK of it on your Desktop.
That is a very fundemental thing which you can't fix via themes or widgets.Agree that usage or not, Mac is empire of drag and drop. Everything is object oriented as well Desktop/UI. If a person drags stuff for last 21 years, you can't tell him to copy/paste. He launches Safari and thats all.
What should be done is support Camino much more than today and start things on it, not Firefox.
Hope I don't get misunderstood as usual, I really want at least 5 competing browsers to Safari so at least people not upgrading to latest OS X will keep to have modern browsers. - Macskeeball, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Agreed, but those who are not actually using a Mac should use iFox instead. GrApple will break Firefox on other platforms.
- itistoday, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4That doesn't look native at all, in fact it looks worse. The popup menus and the button are wayy too big. I prefer the current look to this. (Happy OS X firefox user here).
- Majin_Raditz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I never had any problem with firefox on OSX now. So it's kind of a "whatever" for me.
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@tr33fiddy:
Looks someone just discovered the thesaurus! - specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Yeah, because it's _real easy_ to keep APIs consistent between completely different processors."
lol, Java wouldn't work if what you said were true. - prockcore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The ACID2 test is just one test.. FF actually supports more CSS than Safari.. so don't let the ACID2 test confuse the issue.
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