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- shout, on 10/12/2007, -12/+93That video could have been a lot shorter.
- robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42"I can do that with my 5 year old PB."
I'm sure it can. Now run 3 OSes simultaneously too. - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38I have to admit, I'm very impressed that it ran as fast as it did with all three OSes running simultaneously.
Bear in mind, however...
3 clean OS installs will run alot faster than when additional programs are installed.
He did nothing CPU intensive as far as i can tell, did lots of web browsing, installed Firefox, and installed what i think is GIMP.
-Run some videos and burn a DVD simultaneously- I'll go out and buy one tomorrow.
Still gets my digg, though. - shaund, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30He is trying to show the incredible performance it has while running 3 os
- whalesalad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28This is the web designers dream... drool...
- locu543, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33Thats one of the coolest things I've seen in some time
- TinFoil209, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Thought this was cute to post
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6484/picture101zk.png
Video of the MacBook sponsored by: Microsoft - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21@Mathiasdm:
Parallels Desktop (for the OS virtualization): http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/
Virtue (for the cube transition effect): http://virtuedesktops.info/ - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18...why would you need to do that? That's like saying you won't buy 3 cars because you can't drive all three at the same time.
- WalterDirt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Not as cool when the macbook pro video came out a month ago showing the same thing.
- JoshHendo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12It was done with Parallel (beta 6) and Virtue.
- h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Wow. I have just been officially blown away by a mac. Consider me sold, I will be ordering a macbook as soon as the cash becomes available.
- Lounger540, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9_______HFS______Fat32______NTFS_______ext3_______UFS
OS X___R/W______R/W_______R__________R/W(2)_____R/W
Linux___R/W______R/W_______R/W(1)______R/W_______R/W(6)
Windows_R/W(3)___R/W_______R/W________R/W(4)_____R(5)
1) NTFS supported by fuse, http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse/ , considered a little risky still. OS X support may be coming
2) OS X ext2 driver, http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/ , ext2 is compatible w/ ext3 with out journaling info
3) See MacDisk, http://www.macdisk.com/ , or http://www.macwindows.com/disks2.html for others
4) Supporting via, http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html , has some small limitations
5) Via commercial UFS explorer, or http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/about.php
6) May need to recompile kernel for this support with certain distrosnn
Sorry for the weird formatting and double post, digg ignored the spaces first time - mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Three games of Pong. I think it could be done, easily.
- frozendice, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13While that seems cool, it uses a TON of memory and HD space. Plus it's hard moving files between all those OSes, you have to maintain all of them, keep them updated, virus free, cleaned out, secure,etc. If say for example OS X could nativly run Windows and Linux apps then that woudl be awesome.
- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Several points:
a) The sales assistants usually don't know a lot of technical details. They can usually explain how to use OS X, iLife, and the differences between your options just fine, and that's their job, but if you want to talk technical, you need to find a geek Genius behind the bar. This is all by way of saying that the sales assistants didn't know what they were talking about; obviously, you can do this.
b) The guy from the back more than likely tried to do it before Apple released the EFI update a while back (which was required to release Boot Camp). Now, it's relatively simple, especially using Boot Camp.
c) The whole point of using Intel processors was because IBM was not putting enough effort into advancing the POWER line of chips in Apple's view, and they decided to cut their losses and pick a different processor that Jobs felt had a better plan (or his pet term, roadmap) for future development and chips. - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Why not store your files on a NAS and just connect to it from each OS?"
Somewhat kills the point of a laptop if everything is on a NAS. - Falcorian, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24"... you have to maintain all of them, keep them updated, virus free, cleaned out, secure,etc."
Well, only if Windows is one of the OSes being booted! *Rimshot* Thank you thank you, I'll be here all night! - IMesh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I agree, previously I could have cared very little about Apple but this makes me think I might want a Macbook Pro.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Parallels is hypervisor based.
http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/
"Parallels Workstation 2.0 is the first desktop virtualization solution to include a lightweight hypervisor, a mature technology originally developed in the 1960s to maximize the power of large mainframes." - briangig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X
- LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I suppose the largest problem would be the lack of physical memory (RAM), resulting in more virtual memory page faults.
- Kelmon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm sorry? The ability to run multiple OSs simultaneously is lame? What planet are you on at this moment in time? Virtualisation is awesome if you need to run multiple operating systems. Dual-boot is only of use if you need the full resources of your computer, which pretty much means you need access to full 3D acceleration. Given that this is only needed by games and 3D/CAD applications then most people can use this as a solution for working in their preferred OS while being able to make trips into other OSs in order to run applications that need that OS without having to reboot. As far as I am concerned, I'll be able to do all my work on a single computer using Virtualisation and get near full-speed from the guest operating systems.
I really don't understand how anyone can consider this lame. Loads of benefits with very little drawbacks. - StrykerMicro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12would love to see a follow up video on how he did it!
- lukaso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7In 10.5 Apple needs to (and hopefully will) take advantage of the hibernation feature built into windows to allow them to do that sort of switching without using any extra system resources, granted it takes a few seconds to load a windows session from the HD so the cube effect wouldn't quite work, however 5 seconds to switch to windows is much better than the 25 seconds it takes to boot otherwise. Also you wouldn't have to close all your work down to switch between. Whenever you wanted Windows it would write your OSX memory to the Hard Drive and load your Windows memory, and vice versa. I am sure they could incorporate Linux as well, although that probably is not their top priority, someone else would make it work even if that wasn't their intention.
Now that I think of it, they could have a flash chip, equel size of the system memory that was dedicated to write the suspended OS to, this would speed up the transition 10 fold, and who knows, maybe they could pull off the cube effect if they lengthened it to 1 or 2 seconds? - goldenratio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Wrong robbh66! All three OS's can read and write FAT32.
Just make an extra FAT32 partition if you need to share files between all 3 OS's. - polyp2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How about cross-platform development? Even for a web developer it would be extremely useful to do development under linux and have OS X and windows - complete with web browsers available at a keypress for testing.
- dhuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7to all you people saying he needs to run more applications on it to make it more real life, or whatever...
really - why? why would you need to switch between 3 games on each different OS? i for on think that this is a great demonstration of the macbooks capabilities. if you are going to use 3 different OSes, or even 2 different OSes, you aren't going to be using very intensive apps anyway.
either way, pretty slick! - koick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11@robbh66
Yeah, and notice how he says:
"Left side of MacBook is very hot.
I have rebooted once by heat.
and sometimes MacBook is freezed..."
(and in the video, you could hear the fan just kicking in at the end)
I personally am VERY excited to get a Macbook or Macbook Pro, but these heat issues have me waiting until they are resolved... - ratzfatz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Don't get confused by this guy. I've setup my very first UNIX install in my life (!!!) - just by downloading the latest stable Ubuntu and had it up running (not even read the manual entirely) in about 20 minutes. I goofed with the screen resolution but it runs like a charm inside its 1280x1024 window. Will do it again with proper values when my MacBook arrives tomorrow.
- SnOwie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10First apple post that actualy impressed me...
Even thinking about buying it now :) - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The software he's using is readily available and the company who makes it is based out of Herndon, Virginia, but uh... okay.
- bloodylip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why would he only get a wired connection in Ubuntu? Intel wireless is fully supported AFAIK in linux. Last I checked, it was one of the chipsets to look for if you were hoping to have your wireless work.
- jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Is there a program i can use to switch like this between my XP and Kubuntu?
- gargantuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4me too. I love browsercam, but i'll not miss it. Not when I get my hands on a kick ass new macbook!
- ratzfatz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4OS X itself does that right out of the box. Just check the "sharing for windows" box in the sharing control panel. That's it. All other OSes will see the shared OS X folder as a network volume.
- sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You've clearly never used either, the performance is plenty fast enough. Your "everyday" usage is probably games, my "everyday" usage is development / debug work.
- briangig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That is awesome...makes me want a macbook even more now. That really is an awesome setup...now only if apple developed a way to support it out of the box....i see that in the future.
does anyone know if you can you use the same windows install for parrallels as for dual booting? - Ir0n_mE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Exactly what I want to do. Windows, OS X, and MythTV Frontend. Ultimate entertainment.
- dombi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He used a software called Parallels Desktop for the Mac. It kind of look like the older VirtualPC and it supports multiple operating systems. So he had two different Parallels setups running at the same time (Windows and Ubuntu), while Mac OS X was also running. rnrnIn Parallels you can run in full screen mode and you can also select various transitions to use when switching. That is what you see on the video. As you can see the guest OSs run pretty quickly. Parallels comes with a set uf drivers for Linux and Windows, which will let you take advantage of your Intel Macs certain hardware from within the guest OS. rnrnI am using the same exact thing for running Windows and it is definitely fast!
- JimmyRyan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The fileswap problem would just be awesome it the 4th side of the cube was simply a shared file drive with some type of simple GUI for it all.. This is really amazing though!!
- gargantuan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12You just don't get it do you. Buh bye microsoft market dominance. Linux on IBM, installed on PS3, a mac that can seemingly run any operating system it wants, and now it can run multiple OSes at the same time!! And what does Microsoft bring to the table? Nothing but shoddy workmanship and bad manners.
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"Plus it's hard moving files between all those OSes"
Why not store your files on a NAS and just connect to it from each OS? - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You are overly skeptical. Take a look at the Parallels website. Read the forums. The guy has 2GB installed by the way.
- purpleacid, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Those of you asking for some magical fairy to run games in each of the virtualizations...we all know its just far fetched. I'm very impressed the fact that a _laptop_ can handle 3 different operating systems running what seems to be simultaneously. I doubt my PC could do that any day...let alone any laptop that I would buy. I must commend the Apple guys in choosing Intel. Now move on to AMD, and stick an X2 at 65nm in that sucker and we'll really see it fly.
- galisus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You sure he wasn't refering to VirtualPC?
- bilangew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fat16 isnt a really good idea, to start with. You cannot have a Fat16 partition bigger than 2Gb, thats a technical limitation.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3very impressive!
I'll be purchasing a new macbook in the next few months. - WorldGroove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah, a common FAT32 partition for both.... yup... that worked great for me until I was dismayed by a shocking(at least to me) fact.
FAT32 cannot have a file that's bigger than 4gigs....
But, other than that... life is good. - bobx2001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Impressive considering all the software used is in the beat stage and its running on a first revision machine.
Anyone know of any programs that will let you share files between all the three operating system easily? -
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