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- Schug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+51I was hoping for pics.
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39It's not due for another year.
Well, duh. Thats why its called "Office 2007" - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -10/+43Sound cool, but really I can't wait for iWork '07. The competition is beginning to heat up. iWork '06 has versions of "Keynote" and "Pages", but it's rumored that iWork '07 will have some new apps in it, as well as the next versions of Keynote and Pages. Both Keynote and Pages are great apps, and are fairly powerful and simple to use. So iWork '07? Pages 2.0, Keynote 3.0, Numbers 1.0 (spreadsheet app), Charts 1.0 (dedicated chart-based app.)? Looking forward to it!
Steve Jobs, said Leopard will bring the complete package. Now whilst that is a broad term, it may also be code for, Leopard Mac OS X.5 will have iWork '07 built-in. Leopard will have front-row 2.0 built-in, and hopefully iLife '07 built-in too, along with a completely new UI and new versions of all the bundled apps. ***** me, if Leopard has all that, then Microsoft should be very afraid indeed!! - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24I'm sure they'll be happy to hear that they've convinced you to pirate the new Office..
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15iWork is a great suite but even with some new applications it will still be nowhere near Office in terms of functionality. It might do a great job meeting the needs of home users, but it doesn't compare with Office--it's more akin to Microsoft Works.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I ***** hate the current version, runs like ass in Rosetta...I'll be happy as hell to have it running in UB
- Aggaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10They put a lot of money and effort into it for the simple reason that Microsoft has been an app developer on the Macintosh for 22 years, and they have consistently made money from it.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft in general, but the MacBU is one of the best Mac developers out there, and I have been a satisfied customer for many years now. - PhillyMJS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Is the Exchange support in Entourage still going to suck ass and still not have all the features that Outlook 2001 did? Are they going to come to their senses and add MAPI support and ditch the god-awful mess they've been using in place of it?
Those are the only details about Office 2007 Mac that I really care about at this point. Using Entourage to connect to Exchange is so aggravating that I prefer to use Outlook 2003 in a VM via Parallels.
~Philly - mrman5917, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Why can't the offer the ability to use the Ribbon? Personally I find the ribbon to be much more "mac-like" then Office:2004.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8rhetorically, how many ways can an office suite really be improved? seriously.
i'll admit that it's a bit of a different story for spreadsheets but 90% of the people, i know, could get by using notepad with spellcheck. - wphj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You have a point.
I use TextEdit for most things.
(For those of you on Windows, it's a bit like notepad, but it supports RTF, I'm not sure if notepad does)
TextEdit works fine for most documents, and even opens .doc's pretty well.
It doesn't work for everything though, I used Pages to make a really nice looking resume. - darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The problem is that the Menu Bar can't do what the ribbon does, and they can't make the Menu Bar go away.
- phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've been watching OpenOffice.org for about 4 years. And to be honest no essential progress has been made.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Apple has got their own very specific set of user interface guidelines and we try to first and foremost to follow those guidelines."
Yeah, if only Apple could make up their minds on their own interface. Seems like every app I run these days has a completely different look and feel (iTunes 7 anyone?). :( - splice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7dunno about you all, but i would definitely like to see some changes in entourage, as that ui is the virtual equivalent of a root canal. looking forward to entourage hopefully able to speak native mapi as well. the rest of the suite, who knows, although i do hope they trim down the "Microsoft AU Database Daemon" hog. the only other real gripe i have with office for mac is that each app manages to forget your zoom settings every time it is launched.
- chadu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9don't care about UI. don't care about open XML file formats.
care about getting a decent damn Outlook client. Entourage is garbage and doesn't behave like a true Outlook client to an Exchange server. - pixelguru, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9It still amazes me that Microsoft has about 130 Mac developers, and this relatively small team is able to crank out Mac versions of Microsoft software that have been arguably better than the Windows versions (recent versions of Office and IE Mac before it was abandoned). Is it just that Microsoft put their 130 most efficient employees into the Mac division, or is this old joke just wrong? JOKE: How many Microsoft programmers does it take to make good software? ANSWER: More!
- BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I am a long time MSOffice user, but after Keynote, and to a much lessor extent Pages which I think still needs a ton of work, I hope Apple gets some balls and releases a serious upgrade to iWork.
I think Apple was hedging with iWork, and it shows. It's a blend of a pro quality app (keynote) and a family app (Pages.)
But as I have used iWork 06 more, I find it harder and harder to use MSOffice. Even Excel, a program I love and always thought as being one of MS's best apps, now drives me crazy with poor interface decisions.
I hope Apple's strategy has been to slowly build an MSOffice killer. I understand MSOffice compatibility is key for the platform, but I hope that doesn't hold Apple back from building the world class suite they are capable of building.
Personally, I'm not expecting much from iWork 07. Some nice tweeks, etc. Apple is just too afraid of MS on this front.
But nothing would make me happier than to be wrong, and Apple come out with an enormous and killer upgrade. I would be ecstatic to dump the last Microsoft's product on my Mac. - Glenn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10Looking forward to it, but not the 1 year timeframe...
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's unlikely Apple will develop a true Microsoft Office competitor. If they did, Microsoft would likely stop developing Office for the Mac, and that would be a huge blow for Apple penetration in the business market. It sure would be interesting to see what they would come up with though.
- Clodagh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"You mentioned "keynote" and "pages" four times in three sentences." He did that cause not a lot of Windows users have know of iWork. So in that sense it makes perfect sense.
- eliasg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a beta copy and to me, the RibbonUI harks back to the floating toolbar in Office 2004 for Mac. In other words, it seems as though they were inspired by the floating toolbar and are bringing it mainstream.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It can't be an MS Office killer if it only is released for the Mac. Maybe it's time for Apple to start making more of it's software available for Windows (though please not iLife)
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>Even on my Windows partition, I avoid using Microsoft products out of sheer principle
Kinda hard isn't it? Considering the OS is made by Microsoft? - BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just re-read the article and noticed it said Q3 2007.
Q3?
I am sure the team is working hard on this product, but this is crazy timing. This means it will be over two years since the announcement of the move to Intel for MS to take a native version to market. Pretty pathetic.
You know when Adobe is getting the job faster than you, you have real problems. - streak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hah! You can't handle the truth! ;-)
- Stark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if apple gets mail in leopard to talk to exchange servers, it won't matter. who wants to wait another year for a version of office that doesn't run like a dog on mactels.
- chadu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1people that need exchange access?
- unusualFall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Take your pick:
NeoOffice: http://www.neooffice.org
Writely: http://www.writely.com
Google spreadsheets: http://spreadsheets.google.com
Learn LaTeX! Looks much more professional than anything else hands down. Use LyX if you don't want to learn the syntax. And there's LaTeX Beamer for presentations.
Ta da. Who needs MS Office? - Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would really like to use Keynote and Pages, but it's just that I'm so used to Office, not to mention the fact that Office has many more features. Also, the templates in the Office 2007 Beta (for windows) are actually not bad. They no longer look like crap.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Aggaman
I agree. MS MacBU does great work and I'm always delighted to see new versions of what they put out. Kudos to the hard working guys and gals at the MacBu - aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Thank god they are not going to use the ribbon system.
The linked article and the digg article description are in disagreement. The digg article is inaccurate. Marked as inaccurate. - mattjd68, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Apple penetration in the business market"
Better Exchange support. - superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I said the article description...not the title.
- traderjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Assembly!?!! wtf are they using assembly for in their word processor. jeebus they are just miserable programmers...
- vash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does anyone else like the posts with imagery filled headlines, then no pictures after the jump?
I don't. - BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ethergnat, I agree. That's why I think iWork 07 is going to be an anemic update.
I just hope Apple does something like this: Actually build a killer Office suite, but publicly talk about it as just an Appleworks replacement. Sure, it'll keep sales from booming, but it will also keep MS happy and churning out updates.
My guess is the long term strategy at Apple is to do a killer office for no other reason than Jobs doesn't like being dependent on MS. But to your point, they can't do it in a manner which stops MSOffice development.
So how do you beat a giant? Slow, gradual improvements. And let the effects of Open Office, the governments, and CIO's who are sick and tired of new and proprietary file formats, work their magic. It's those 3 forces which will ultimately bring down this monopoly, but it's going to take time. A lot of time.
So, while this glacier is melting, Apple keeps slowly updating its Office product, making it better and better every 12 months. "Don't worry Microsoft," they will say, "it's just AppleWorks for OS X." And sure enough, they will make money each year in upgrades to make a profit out of the development.
Either way, I just hope iWork 07 is a major update. iWork 06 is the beginning of some brilliant thinking and work to help normal people make beautiful documents. Apple just needs to add the key missing features, fix the painful bugs, and make it fast, fast, fast. - DevilsRejection, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1give me One Note or give me death!
- waffffffle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@steelmaverick, Office 2001 for Mac was released in 2000. The year in the product name doesn't seem to mean all that much to Microsoft.
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I mentioned that and I got buried.
- reevolutn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1whats wrong with the ribbon system? its just what ive been wating for. a complete over haul from scratch... like they shouldve done a complete overhaul with vista
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Word Notebook seems just as good as OneNote to me. Why have a separate app?
- d2nd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2presentation apps (powerpoint and keynote) need to be reworked.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1OS X 10.5 will NOT have iWork 07 (or whatever they call it) built-in. Look at history. Most of what currently makes up the iLife suite used to be free downloads. When they integrated the apps together, they were released as iLfe and now had a $79 price tag. I'm not complaining about the price because considering what iLife has, it is a fantastic sets of applications.
iWork can be considered more of the same. They started with Keynote as a presentation app and soon introduced Pages. These combined have made up iWork since its introduction. Adding more apps to iWork will make it even LESS likely that they will just give it away except perhaps as bundled software for new Macs. Even if not free, I hope they keep the $79 price as it is a real bargain.
I don't look at iWork as a MS Office replacement because it isn't. It's great for home use and for transfering documents between various Mac users. It doesn't translate well for complicated documents in Word either as an import or export. I use it almost exclusively for my own documents that I don't need to send to someone else unless they too have Pages. - hatter106, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1As many people have already pointed out, each version of Office do not seem to offer substantial value over the preceding version. The "Ribbon" or a new user interface is just going to confuse upgrading users, and I seriously doubt that is going to bring much value to the users.
Due to my recent need to work on Unicode text (traditional Chinese), I have actually abandoned MS Word, and taken up a Japanese product called Jedit X. Sometimes simplicity is so much better, especially when it is solidly built.
I seriously hope Open Office catches up to MS Office quickly. Also, it's good to see a flourishing Mac developers community coming up with MS Office replacements (such as the new OmniPlan, MS Project replacement. I wish it was cheaper though.) - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Bad idea to use "years" in a product name. Hasn't MS learned that yet?
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1iTunes 7 is leopard's UI so most likely that is what all Apple's application will be using now.
- cmilki, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4We all were. ;)
- phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I really like iTunes 7 UI.
- d2nd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3"iWork '06 has versions of "Keynote" and "Pages", but it's rumored that iWork '07 will have some new apps in it, as well as the next versions of Keynote and Pages. Both Keynote and Pages are great apps, and are fairly powerful and simple to use. So iWork '07? Pages 2.0, Keynote 3.0..."
Ireland, I cant tell if this post is a joke or not. You mentioned "keynote" and "pages" four times in three sentences. I know that your "looking forward to it" but less simply repeating the names of the apps like a poor press release does no good. -
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