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- e2superman, on 11/29/2008, -13/+148Apple is more monopolistic than Microsoft. There, I said it.
- samkityoung, on 11/29/2008, -8/+125If this had been about Microsoft, there would be "M$ sucks" submissions with 100+ diggs.
- oboshoe, on 11/29/2008, -14/+111Apple Apple Apple.
You are making it very difficult to continue loving you. - inactive, on 11/29/2008, -12/+90Apple has to much control, if you buy an ipod you shouldn't be forced to use itunes. Per the article
"To prevent people from writing to this file, Apple protects it with a checksum hash which has to be reverse-engineered. Usually that process only takes a couple of days.
With the latest iTunes update, Apple has once again changed the hash, meaning it needs to be reverse-engineered again."
This is *****, ive learned my lesson about buying apple products - nbluth, on 11/29/2008, -5/+62No one should have control over a device after you buy it. Once its yours its yours and they shouldn't be able to control how you use it at all
- sjmulder, on 11/29/2008, -5/+53For years I've been buying all of my music, movies, games and programs but I'm getting sick of being treated as a criminal. I'm fed up with all the copy protection schemes. HDCP and that new copy protection on games like Spore were the last straw. And now this article, why does Apple want to stop people from using iPods? Come on, treat me with respect like I've treated you AND the rest of the industry with respect. Oh, and don't get me started on the whole 'international' thing. Just because I'm from Europe it doesn't mean I don't like to watch movies or television series.
My new year's resolution is to stop respecting content providers if they don't respect me. I give them one year. Then it's torrent time. - Dalhectar, on 11/28/2008, -1/+44RTFA... this is about using software programs other than iTunes to load content to your iPod, like Anapod or Songbird.
- inactive, on 11/29/2008, -2/+42That's the HD DVD key asswipe.
- slasc, on 11/29/2008, -6/+46This is another example of lawyers for large corporations continuing to bend the already bad DMCA into something much much worse.
- thelastcivilian, on 11/28/2008, -33/+6609 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
- peaceninja, on 11/29/2008, -2/+32Steve Jobs: "What? People are discussing our hash? RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/115 ... - rald84, on 11/29/2008, -5/+30thats why i returned the only ipod i ever bought (nano). when i plugged in the USB, it would not come up as a disk drive (a la USB stick). every other mp3 player i've tried does that, so fuuuck apple
- Ellipsys, on 11/29/2008, -4/+26This is my biggest gripe with my iPhone. I bought it to have a convergence device that would allow me to view/listen to my media as well as make phone calls, and serve some basic PDA functions. The fact that I can't use the codecs I want (which are FREE, mind you. FLAC. Vorbis etc... They cost nothing for apple to add), means I have to transcode my audio and video to something Apple approved. Even then, I can't even copy and paste. Maybe I don't want to sync - just copy and paste a few video or audio files. Perhaps I'd like to sync with something besides iTunes. Apple specifically changed the hash for the latest iPod generations to eliminate this! Maybe I'd like to be able to manage my media how I want, not how iTunes decides I should. Sure, there's the MediaMonkey hack and tons of other long round about methods for getting media onto the device, but it shouldn't be this hard. Simple copy/paste should be all that's necessary- its free, and works on every bloody operating system. Let the damn thing be a Mass Storage Device, easily mountable. Give it up Apple, I've not purchased anything from your music store (or app store). I'm never going to either, and after this fiasco I've been totally turned off of apple products. I'm sick of "The Apple Way", let me do things my way, and you'll get my business again. Fail, and I'm out of here as soon as Android arrives on more devices.
- Disparity, on 11/29/2008, -0/+21http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Apple_censored_iPodHash_ ...
- matthekc, on 11/28/2008, -27/+44http://www.archos.com/
I own one of the 605's it's nice and works well with Linux. It works like a hard drive just drop stuff into the appropriate folders. It is great for Movies on the go the screen is just big enough not to suck. My only complaint is if you buy all the media codecs and the opera browser it adds 50$ to the price.
Sandisk has some nice mp3 players for under a hundred
Boycott Apple! - matthekc, on 11/28/2008, -2/+19Which I'm sure is great if you have windows or osx never mind the other operating systems.
- oboshoe, on 11/29/2008, -1/+18lol wut?
- AikoMiko, on 11/29/2008, -2/+17***** the Apple Nazis. It's your player, you should be able to do what you want with it.
Isn't it Ironic that Apple used to run adds about breaking from conformity and now have become what they preached against. Maybe someone should jog into one of Stevie's Big screen meetings and toss a PC through the monitor. - FearlessFreep, on 11/29/2008, -9/+24you...didn't click on the option to allow you to do just that I guess?
- meinrosebud, on 11/29/2008, -0/+14Get a room you two!
- oriondr, on 11/29/2008, -2/+16MS wouldn't be sending takedown notices for something like this in the first place.
- kronix2, on 11/29/2008, -1/+14@BoonTobias: most mp3 players let you simply drag and drop files from within Explorer. No need for a syncing app.
Being able to copy files to your iPod within Explorer would be very helpful, but it means we get to bypass iTunes, which is a ***** piece of software on Windows. No iTunes means we're not exposed to the iTunes Store.
iTunes chokes on massive libraries, especially when most have album art. iTunes' memory usage goes from 400mb to 800mb when I try to close the program.
iTunes is the Internet Explorer of media players. Ironic, given that Windows Media Player is sleek and light on memory. - inactive, on 11/29/2008, -7/+19Shouldn't have to click *****.
- ultraJesus, on 11/29/2008, -16/+28I'm one of those "who gives a *****" apple product owners. I use an ipod and itunes. It has 6000 songs on it and I didn't buy any of them from the itunes website.
- Midnitte, on 11/29/2008, -1/+13Its a bit like buying a car and having the maker force you not to change anything about it. So in short, proprietary = leased.
- AikoMiko, on 11/29/2008, -0/+12They force you to use their software on their system. They leave no room for outside innovation, and limit the customers choices. It was more acceptable when they actually had custom hardware but now they are just gussied up PC's.
And while I like the iPod, I hate iTunes. If I buy a player I expect to be able to use it with whatever program I prefer. But the consumer doesn't matter to them.
That's why Mac will never get gamers, hardcore programmers or any other facet of the computer market that relies on constant innovation.
So hey, if you like vanilla and only vanilla, then by all means goosestep to Old man Job's tune. For me, i'll take less pretty and more software any day. - mr5150, on 11/29/2008, -0/+11damn your patient......it was torrent time for me about a year ago after i became fed up with all BS surrounding my purchased content....now i just say *****'em all!...i gave them plenty of time to fix DRM ***** but to no avail.
- spoonchucks, on 11/29/2008, -0/+10human: The difference is, nobody defends Microsoft with the tenacity of the average Apple fanboy.
- Khast, on 11/29/2008, -2/+12I am all for copy protection....as long as it doesn't treat me like a criminal, and I can use the device the way I want to use it. I won't buy any MP3 players which require proprietary software to put music in the device. If I can't just plug it into my computer, and use ANY program, I won't buy it. (Sony also has their "Sonic Stage" crap too....which in my opinion is better than iTunes....at least Sony figured out that nobody prefers ATRAC3 in their more recent players...)
Plug & Play players are the only ones I will purchase. - Ellipsys, on 11/29/2008, -0/+10I can drag and drop what I'd like, as long as I'm using iTunes. However, what if I don't want to use iTunes at all? What if I'm on a PC that doesn't have it installed? What if I'm using Linux (which I do, frequently)? I just don't think its right to be completely dependent on a single locked down piece of software. Just about every other media player doesn't try and force its software onto its owner - not the SanDisks, not Cowons, not Archos, Creative, or even Zunes (and that's saying something). The software is there as an option, not a sentence
- consterXnation, on 11/29/2008, -3/+13iPhones aren't the only phones that play music and they aren't the best multi-tasking phones.
...but wait, ooh! It has a touchscreen! - codelogic, on 11/29/2008, -0/+9Difference is that Ford probably won't sue you if you try.
- tommyny04, on 11/29/2008, -0/+8You, my friend are wrong so many different levels discussing them in detail would be a waste of my time.
- protogenxl, on 11/29/2008, -2/+10@kronix2
Windows Media Player has such efficient resource usage because Microsoft has recoded the app from the ground up at least twice. where as Itunes is still a hacked version of SoundJam MP that they have yet to move to the Cocoa API - protogenxl, on 11/29/2008, -1/+9You can!!!!
Here is a Chevy LS1 installed in a Mazda Miata
http://home.comcast.net/~npartist/ - toxicpiano, on 11/29/2008, -0/+8What are you talking about?
- AzzX, on 11/29/2008, -1/+9If you can do it, you can.
- CressCrowbits, on 11/29/2008, -1/+8Quite. If I bought an iPod thinking it would sync with Linux, that's not Apples problem. If I change it off my own back and Apple try to stop me, thats out of order.
If I bought a Hyundai and wanted to modify it so it ran like a Ferrari, Hyundai have no right to try and stop me.
Let that be the last of the lame car analogies. - mrsteveman1, on 11/29/2008, -0/+7Hash alg. might be used for something else as well.
Either way circumvention for interoperability, which is EXACTLY what we are talking about, is allowed. Apple is full of ***** in this case, i don't care who pushed them to take this action or why, its Apples name on the notice. - CressCrowbits, on 11/29/2008, -2/+9But if I buy an iPod, it's MY product, and I want it to work how I want.
- jj101, on 11/29/2008, -3/+10Apple are trying hard to persuade ever more record labels to allow their music to be sold through itunes. They must be seen to be protecting the rights of those labels. The fact that they have persuaded so many labels to put their music online (in itunes and otherwise) is amazing. They are literally dragging a whole unrelated industry into the next century. At the same time they are trying to persuade the labels that DRM sucks but they are dealing with an industry that thinks its in crises and is very defensive. Apple are not perfect by any means but in my book they're still pretty impressive. They should just release a linux version of itunes...
- JAWS, on 11/29/2008, -8/+15Does nobody on Digg read the freakin' articles the submissions link to anymore? THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH iPods and iPhones DRM so much as with monopolistic practices about what type of software can interface with a device you have BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.
I hate to be cliche, but.....***** Apple! Honestly, that type of ***** is what made people hate the music industry so damn much. - Tprnyc, on 11/29/2008, -5/+12Even if you click it you still can't drag and drop music, or videos. You are stuck using iTunes
Nokia N810 FTW!!! - mrsteveman1, on 11/29/2008, -0/+7That option is an itunes option, because normally itunes dismounts the thing after a sync so you can yank it out without corrupting it (which is another reason apple stopped using MSC for the iphone and touch and moved to usbmux).
Try it though, on a machine without itunes the ipod will mount like any other usb device, and if you aren't using itunes at all it shouldn't affect you anyway. - Cerebron, on 11/29/2008, -0/+6Actually, the article isn't about that at all, it's about the site where people discuss such things being attacked by Apple's legal attack team.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/29/2008, -0/+6Exactly what i was going to say, they DON'T have any control over the thing, it isn't networked, it doesn't call home.
Stop using iTunes and you won't have a problem. - codelogic, on 11/29/2008, -0/+6The big deal is that Apple is trying to bully a developer (with dirty legal tactics of course) even though it's clear that the developer has done nothing wrong. It has nothing to do with the Psystar ruling.
- inactive, on 11/29/2008, -3/+9what about the other way around?
can you load a samsung player or zen with itunes? - Tprnyc, on 11/29/2008, -1/+7If i buy a Delorean and want it to time travel, it's not..... nevermind
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