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Duke University Problem NOT because of iPhone.
macworld.com — So, they were quick to blame it on iPhone just because it's release coincided with their problem occurrence.
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- GruffPelt, on 10/11/2007, -5/+71Kevin Miller: "I don’t believe it’s a Cisco problem in any way, shape or form."
Umm, nice troubleshooting there, Kev.- econoar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50It was probably due to their upgrade to 3D Mailbox
- nfxmedia, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14I wouldn't call that an upgrade.
- OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4Does normal email have women in swimsuits? no? then 3d Mailbox is an upgrade, and the wave of the future.
- alamandrax, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2sarcasm? needs work.
- nfxmedia, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Low poly boobs don't do it for me. If they do for you, then by all means ...
- OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4Does normal email have women in swimsuits? no? then 3d Mailbox is an upgrade, and the wave of the future.
- nfxmedia, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14I wouldn't call that an upgrade.
- judicar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8He might as well start wearing a t-shirt with that phrase on it.
- roflsd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Should have bought a Meru wireless network instead. Wouldn't have had to worry about AP handoff and the ARP cache as much.
- rebrad, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6In related news Kevin Miller was informed that his wife and 3 children are safe and haven't been harmed. He expects them to be released any day if he continues telling the "Truth".
- blup3ace, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1duke = nub
- fermi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Duke is full of quick-to-judge *****...what do you expect?
- econoar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50It was probably due to their upgrade to 3D Mailbox
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/11/2007, -10/+23In a better world the news would be more along the lines of: due to recent public statements that showcased there incompetents the administrative I.T. staff has been let go from Duke University. Instead they will probably get a bonus for making national news.
- them3nace, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I just have to point out that your comment for a "better world" where people are let go for making mistakes, is accompanied by your spelling mistakes.
- SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12There's just a bit of a difference between "a mistake" and "announcing false information without any measure of empirical confirmation in an unnecessary public statement, probably in hopes of generating loads of bad Apple press (which it did)." The guy wasn't even the CIO, just some random Duke employee on the IT staff who (obviously) isn't all that knowledgeable.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3"probably in hopes of generating loads of bad Apple press" ? That's right. Because mobile technology is a battle and anyone who doesn't like what you like is the enemy.
GROW... UP.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3"probably in hopes of generating loads of bad Apple press" ? That's right. Because mobile technology is a battle and anyone who doesn't like what you like is the enemy.
- imikedaman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Even if that was relevant, none of the words are spelled incorrectly.
- j0nny, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"there imcompetents" -> "their incompetence"
- imikedaman, on 11/08/2007, -2/+1Other than your own misspelling there, both of those are words.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Spelling no, grammar yes.
- TheNuminous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1In the spirit of this thread: "even if that *were* relevant"
- j0nny, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"there imcompetents" -> "their incompetence"
- SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12There's just a bit of a difference between "a mistake" and "announcing false information without any measure of empirical confirmation in an unnecessary public statement, probably in hopes of generating loads of bad Apple press (which it did)." The guy wasn't even the CIO, just some random Duke employee on the IT staff who (obviously) isn't all that knowledgeable.
- them3nace, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I just have to point out that your comment for a "better world" where people are let go for making mistakes, is accompanied by your spelling mistakes.
- iplayyouandme, on 10/11/2007, -23/+46Whahahahahahahahaha... A lot of iPhone haters eating CROW tonight!
- cliffzdude, on 10/11/2007, -12/+14If your life revolves around being an iPhone hater or lover, or any piece of hardware/software for that matter. Get a date, go out and have a nice dinner, and then GET A ***** LIFE.
- tnoy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3You made that comment on most all of the stories posted about this topic, if you're going to post the same exact thing over and over again at least make it interesting.
- ButisitArt, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26Yet another reminder of how Internet news is a double edged sword. Stories are reported on even without all the facts. By then the damage is done. Just like the Engadget story about the iPhone not shipping on time. That killed Apple stock the moment it broke. Engadget reported it first, and the story was false. So every time someone makes a claim ... Oh our network went down ...it's iPhone's fault. Another example of shooting your mouth off without all the facts.
- caketank, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3If only internet news had the rock-solid track record of newspapers, radio, or TV news.
- TwoSlick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Another example of shooting your mouth off without all the facts."
Welcome to Digg.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -3/+39what is funny is guys like Kevin Miller aren't necessarily iPhone or Apple haters (although I'm sure the Mac press will demonize him as such).
He's worse..the stereotypical IT guy who immediately gives out an authoritative and declarative "diagnosis" on what the "problem" is...with the smug self assurance that no one else in the vicinity knows ***** about "the computer stuff" and just meekly goes along with it. Have to put up a strong front, right? :p
Oh, and a bonus Digg that is amusing:
http://digg.com/apple/Macworld_tries_to_cover_up_for_Apple_iPhone_may_not_be_cause_of_Duke - firedude328, on 10/11/2007, -7/+21Duke Sucks
- calcio0fan, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0You must not have gotten in...
- dvgrhl, on 10/11/2007, -1/+38In a related story, the iPhone has been kicked off of the lacrosse team.
- siglesias, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1In bad taste.
- ronin510, on 10/11/2007, -7/+16Good ole Duke. Jumping to conclusions a bit too early again. At least this time it didn't hurt 3 innocent young men.
- kissaboo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I think you mean the Durham DA. Duke just reacted.
- siglesias, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1That's in bad taste too.
Sorry, I go to Duke.- Pake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Sometimes the bad taste just happen to be the sad truth.
- Erectile, on 10/11/2007, -23/+14Snape dies and Harry marries Ginny.
- OpalFist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2pics or it didn't happen... (pics will also get you sued)
- Aard88, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22The Duke community has a proud history of falsely accusing the easiest target.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Cite please. Never heard of the place until just now - it'd be nice to see more than what looks like unbalanced flaming.
- MewtwoReturns, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Dugg up for a nice burn. DA in the duke rape scandal should be forced to pay $10,000,000 to each of the 3 accused that were later found innocent, and $1,000,000 to each other member of the entire lacrosse team at the time of the accusation.
- swordedge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1The only problem is NiFong doesn't have that kind of money and has been DISBARRED. He will never make what he dis as a DA again.
- Pake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0John Kerry will just hire him as an advisor.
- swordedge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1The only problem is NiFong doesn't have that kind of money and has been DISBARRED. He will never make what he dis as a DA again.
- mdavis, on 10/11/2007, -6/+21Of course an IT guy will blame Apple. Thats the reason most of them are absolutely vigilant about keeping anything other than Windows off their networks-they're too stupid to know better.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Wow, a statement as well informed as Kevin Millers!
- swordedge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2A true IT guy will say what I read at first. Apple phones are involve (true) and that it brings down the wireless network (true). The solution turns out to be to fix a CISCO bug. This is not the firs time the third leg of the Triopoly has failed in properly implementing a network protocol. When a packet type is optional, they sometimes send it anyway. This has led to bugs in the pas (BGP routers flooding the internet with worthless packets for example).
- oneblackcitizen, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I bet that somehow, this is Mike Nifong's fault
- davideparker, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0Spelling flame.
- savagesteve13, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3It will be worse once Steve Ballmer introduces to the campus the iZune.
- charlesray, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Oh thank God. I was so worried. It kept me all night just thinking, what could this mean for Apple's future? It was DEVASTATING.
- fastfourrier, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2It was the lacrosse team, I'm telling you.
- pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2it must be because cisco had the iphone name first and tried to frame apple... i bet thats it!
- peterjhill, on 10/11/2007, -8/+10Read the original post Kevin made:
http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0707&L=wireless-lan&T=0&F=&S=&P=2182
This is what started it all.... he is not the one that contacted Network World to start this story. Clearly Network World was looking for a negative iphone story to generate a ton of traffic to their site. He is not a PR person. He graduated with honors with a CS degree from CMU. If you don't know what that means, then you clearly cannot comment on his technical skills.
He made a mistake by saying it was not the Cisco. But the bug was triggered by the iphone. It might not have been the iphones fault, but it was the catalyst...- SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"He made a mistake by saying it was not the Cisco. But the bug was triggered by the iphone. It might not have been the iphones fault, but it was the catalyst..."
Nice try. In related news, it turns out that cellphones are the trigger mechanism for the majority of terrorist bombs. Clearly, cell-phone manufacturers share some blame for the death and destruction over the last few years...- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Ooh, evaded like a true fanboy. "Yeah? Whatever.. here's an irrelvent point. ZING!"
- neophenix, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1"He graduated with honors with a CS degree from CMU"
Yes because having a little piece of paper that shows you know how to read books and regurgitate what your professors tell you clearly means you know what you are talking about when it comes to real world situations.- chuckd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yes it does damnit; else I'm fscked;
- billin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Exactly - book smarts doesn't necessarily translate into real-world smarts. Also, being a genius at computer science does not automatically make you a genius at public relations, as Kevin hopefully has learned. Though, from what other people have been saying about their personal experiences with this guy, it doesn't sound like this snafu is going to make him any less outspoken or opinionated. Guess we'll just have to see the next time one of Apple's products is the "cause" of a network problem at Duke.
Kevin: It's less satisfying than shooting your mouth off, but next time try admitting that you don't know WTF is going on and that you're still looking into it. If you had said: "At this juncture, I honestly don't think it's the Cisco equipment causing the outage, but I want to emphasize that we are still working to nail down the cause. We will release another statement when we know more."
There, was that so hard? Live and learn, I guess...
- SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"He made a mistake by saying it was not the Cisco. But the bug was triggered by the iphone. It might not have been the iphones fault, but it was the catalyst..."
- nakani, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10This just in: the Duke IT dept. is mildly retarded
- selectodude, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6Duke sucks.
- pyry, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Go back to Fark!
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2What, cos this is the haven of rational and intelligent thought??
- Pake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Not really. It's more like a haven for the extremely rich kids and good basketball players.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2What, cos this is the haven of rational and intelligent thought??
- pyry, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Go back to Fark!
- rabiddachshund, on 10/11/2007, -18/+3The iPhone is a piece of *****, and so is your face.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
[/maddox] - legendxx, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3everyone at duke is retarded
- Gronkk, on 10/11/2007, -13/+7Enough iPhone stories already.
- TheRealDeal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Don't read them.
- kiwimonk, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4well hm. just because cisco applied the fix.. doesn't necessarily make it a cisco problem. It just means it was easier and quicker to fix the network.. instead of fixing all the phones.
- tdous, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1But I thought Cisco systems are self-defending. *wink to camera*
- sardon1c, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2ibulb, do you even know the difference between its and it's?
- xtlosx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3hey guys, atleast it's an IT problem, and not a rape case brought onto duke once again...
- nharpe, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4Jesus, why are you ***** people so obsessed with this phone?!?!?!?
- bumblefoot, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3because like its a phone, a ipod and a internet device all in one!!!! OMGZ0R
translated to normal language
"it's shiny and its got an apple logo on it!!!!" - TheRealDeal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1If you had tried one, you would know why.
- lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You are, too. That's why you're on this forum, leaving this comment. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm an admitted Apple fanboy, and I g et sick of all the iPhone coverage, too. This story broke, not because Duke had problems, but because the iPhone was thought to be involved. Can you imagine Miller telling the press "It's because of these Nokia XXXX phones" or any other devices?
- bumblefoot, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3because like its a phone, a ipod and a internet device all in one!!!! OMGZ0R
- ilnyckyj, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3WHO CARES...just because a story is about the iphone, it doesn't mean you have to digg it...there is noithing interesting about this story; its about a school's network downtime!
- iplayyouandme, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It was a big deal when all of the iPhone haters wanted to blame Apple. Now that the shoes on the other foot, now they want to be silent.
- lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I gotta go with iplayyouandme on this one.
- fourthtempleks, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1something like "Dick Chaney hires Jon Johansen to research ways in which iPhones can be used to teleport illegal immigrants back to Mexico.. " would be cool
- Vich, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2iPhone article spam problem BECAUSE of Digg users
- b3owulf, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2This is one lame story.
- endlessraining, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Why is this news that I care about? Jeez.
- shariqueniazi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Now iPod Compatible Men suits in the market
http://techten.blogspot.com/2007/07/now-ipod-compatible-men-suits.html - chicagofanboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Why are they so quick to jump the gun at Duke? Don't they get tired of getting burned in the press?
- deadbaby, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Somehow this all relates back to the fact that Duke basketball players suck in the NBA.
- Camaroman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Duke sucks(3)
- swordedge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2As I saw the story come out, Duke said iPones were involved in the problem. They had a Cisco router network for wireless communications. The fix they applied was to the routers. So far, no one is admitting anyone is to blame. What I know of router protocols says that it is easily a difference of opinion on how to implement one section of the spec or another. Cisco doesn't always agree with the rest of the industry on that matter.
- Hangender, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I knew those innocent iPhones couldn't possibly be the culprit.
- IrwinFletcher, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The iPhone has been Nifong'd!
- MatthJD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Uh, is anyone NOT surprised that it was a Cisco issue? If you're the only campus with iPhone issues, it's a good bet the iPhone isn't causing it.
- lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Good point. That's QA 101 right there.
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