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- TortfeasorG, on 10/11/2007, -28/+1370This is what DRM should be. It's a great solution. It allows you to use the files in a fair way, but enables you to be caught if you're illegally sharing them. Everybody should be happy.
- wild, on 10/11/2007, -8/+607I can respect this. I really did just want DRM free so I can use it how I want.
- aldenhg, on 10/11/2007, -19/+493iTunes Plus Strippers cost $120 and hour and graciously accept tips.
- mazerrackham, on 10/11/2007, -15/+372"torrent" has such negative connotations. I prefer "schedule for anonymous unrecoverable backup in replicated disk library"
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -34/+297"recode to mp3. done."
Mmmm.. Encode a lossy format to another lossy format. What a great idea!
Transcoding FTL. - stuartjmoore, on 10/11/2007, -24/+227Totally expected this.
How long until we get an iTunes Plus Stripper? - ddmulholland, on 10/11/2007, -8/+181I'm guessing people are going to freak out about this, but hey, it's still 100x better than DRM. Just don't share your music illegally.
- chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -68/+234recode to mp3. done.
- Jaymoon, on 10/11/2007, -6/+142This is how DRM should have originally been.
You do what you want with the unprotected music... But if we find a million copies of a file that is tracked back to you, then we come after you legally. - Samsong, on 10/11/2007, -8/+132Yeh, just share other people's.
- capiCrimm, on 10/11/2007, -6/+120@TortfeasorG
It's all fun and games until someone gets a letter in the mail. What happens when I edit that information and put your name in it? - superpixel, on 10/11/2007, -14/+126Oh me, oh my. In hindsight, this makes perfect sense, but I never saw it coming. Anyone from the tinfoil hat brigade wanna chime in here?
- Pfhreak, on 10/11/2007, -5/+117"If you want a perfect, zero problem, no DRM no nothing solution, all you gotta do is get the cd."
Provided it's not a Sony CD. - Antialias, on 10/11/2007, -21/+129I think it's ironic that all this time people have been complaining that DRM keeps them from fair use and now that they can use their tracks on other devices they own, they are complaining that they can't illegally share their songs without fear of being caught.
Don't ruin it for the rest of us who legitimately want to buy DRM free music. - freefm, on 10/11/2007, -12/+102If you want a perfect, zero problem, no DRM no nothing solution, all you gotta do is get the cd. You get Album art, you get a case, and you can do whatever the ***** you want with the music you bought. If you go to one of the remaining record stores, you might even find new music you'd like to hear. It's a 100x better experience, and DRM is not a problem. *Ducks because solution not "convenient" enough*
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -11/+88@aldenhg:
Is there touching in the champagne room, or is that still restricted via DRM? - GiggleStick, on 10/11/2007, -2/+57@BigFloppy
"What i don't understand is why they didn't do a basic reversible encoding of the user data? I'm sure nobody would have found out about it then. To leave it in plain text seems really short-sighted."
Because this is the decoy. People will easily strip this info, and not even look for the real watermark/identifier which IS hidden by some type of encryption. - BigFloppy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+54My my, very clever. This is how DRM should have worked all along. Who'd have thought i'd ever be impressed, even pleased, with an anti-piracy method.
- djSyndrome, on 10/11/2007, -2/+50"128 Kbps CD quality"
No. - merlingen, on 10/11/2007, -16/+56Who's complaining? The voices in your head?
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -2/+40I don't think anyone has complained yet (at least not in THAT article). It was more of a "don't bite the hand that feeds" heads-up.
- troelsbay, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37Cool, my own 'lasermarked' tracks :) That's more of a feature than it is protection.
- maexus, on 10/11/2007, -5/+33I see this as fair. Tracking? Yea, tracking if you are illegally sharing files. You still get to use the files without DRM, how you wish. Jesus, shut the ***** up.
- form3hide, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29I actually like this (well, maybe not like like... more like I don't dislike this).
It puts the responsibility on the user to beware of what they do, rather than a 3rd party telling you what you can and cannot do. This is more of a "trust" drm than anything else. - crxyem, on 10/11/2007, -16/+43@chris9902
transcoding at it's best, what a great way to really kill the quality of an already lossy compressed audio file - sparkrainfir, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28i love how people complain that drm doesn't allow them to use their music on other players, and they can't move their files around (hey, i agree -- i'm one of those people) but then iTunes, the largest online music store, actually does something about it and you complain because your name is in the file. guess what, it's not a big deal. the file can be moved, copied, burned, ripped, ecoded, re-incoded... you can do with what you always wanted; shut up. the idea is you're not suppose to do anything illegal with it anyway.
apple removing drm and letting people choose between crippled, low quality music and uncrippled high quality music is a huge step. it's taken a long time to get this far, don't be a moron about it. - Otto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25This is not even new. The DRM'd tracks that you bought from iTunes also have your account name/email address in them. They simply didn't remove that bit.
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28@fortycaliber:
They've been doing that since the iTMS began. How do you think you authorize your tracks to play on different computers? I'd be more worried about losing my iPod than some guy having my name and iTMS account number (which is totally worthless). - gordonm, on 10/11/2007, -8/+32You have absolutely no legal right to "share" music with your friends, even if you "know" them. What ever gave you the idea that you did?
- jaba1337, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22warpfox, that is not true. Transcoding of any lossy format to any bitrate causes a quality loss. You're still recompressing the data, data that has already been compressed once, but the new encoder does not know that and compresses it even more. Its like saving a jpg at 50% quality 100 times, its going to look like crap by the 100th time (and long before that). I suggest anyone who thinks transcoding does not cause quality loss go to hydrogenaudio.org and read around a little bit.
- Protoss, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24Not in the court of law, but I'm sure if Apple find that you posted a torrent of your iTMS+ songs onto Demonoid, they'd shut down your account.
- Schnep97, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21And then your music sounds like *****.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22And that defeats the whole point of a higher quality non DRM format to begin with. You're ***** up the quality for the rest of us.
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19@Speckles
Good point. This way, if someone steals your iTunes MP4s, you can get them back! - bittermang, on 10/11/2007, -11/+29gordonm:
Kindergarten.
Sharing is caring. - gharding, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20The DRM file is watermarked too, dumbass.
- Speckles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19"this is a step in the right direction, but it's still like having your name etched into everything you buy."
That's actually a great technique I use! I etched my name into my TV, and when my apartment was broken into and my TV was stolen, I got it back. Seriously. - smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22finally a sane solution to the RIAA's fears of piracy. this way you can still transfer your songs from device to device and keep however many copies you would like without problem. now if only Zune would adopt this method of discouraging illegal file sharing rather than crippling its WiFi music sharing features that prevent people from giving away any kind of music, even music that they own the rights to distribute.
- LowROI, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15You mean the continent or the group that brought us "The Final Countdown"?
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15i like the idea of watermarking tracks instead of using DRM, but i would prefer they use an internal ID number rather than your actual name. also, i wonder if iTunes will start reporting when a track watermarked with a different name gets added to your particular library.
- santeria49, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14This fine for me... I just wanted music without DRM so that I could use it how I wanted for myself. I don't care about sharing it all over the internet.
- illegalamigo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY
- Terc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15The idea of iTunes Plus is not to give you music that you can distribute to other people, it's simply to remove digital restrictions like number of times a song can be burned or what devices/software it can play on. If you have a problem with your name on your digital property, please explain why, other than p2p purposes of course.
Please remember, Apple is NOT going to "track" you, they just have your user name placed in the file you own. These files don't "phone home" or report your playback habits.
tritonx, explain to me, why would a pirate want to download a song from iTunes, figure out how to strip their account name, and distribute instead of just buying a CD? - gotamd, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Have you ever heard of CD's? Buy CD's or vinyl if you want quality. The "I pirate because I can't get good quality elsewhere" argument is total *****.
- BigFloppy, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21What i don't understand is why they didn't do a basic reversible encoding of the user data? I'm sure nobody would have found out about it then. To leave it in plain text seems really short-sighted.
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17So, if I have 1,000 (known) friends and decide to create a torrent of the latest and greatest CD, I can legally let all of them download it? Awesome!
- jaba1337, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13@warpfox
unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Its called lossy because it loses data when it compresses. Once its gone, its gone. Even if you convert it to a lossless format, the data is simply no longer there. A 64kbit mp3 will sound like a 64kbit mp3 if its transcoded back to wav. Each time you compress something lossy with a lossy codec, a little more data is lost each time. - sm4k, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17@spyrochaete
That is asinine. Yes, music is part of culture, but you can't expect it to be free. Clothing, physical art and food are all culture, but they don't hand those out. People make a living with those. You can't tell me that you think it's OK for a person who has put their heart into something as incredible as music to not earn something tangible from that. It's also not OK for someone to take something someone else has worked on and expected to be compensated for, and give it away freely. It's not fair for an artist to release a song, one person purchase it, then it hits the torrents or some other mass distribution module. If you want a cd, you should feel compelled to purchase a cd. Just because it's not a physical object doesn't mean it should be free.
You want to share your music with some friends? That's fine, and it sounds like it's perfectly acceptable with this new iTunes plus. You want to put it up for grabs for everyone to take? That's wrong, and if you think otherwise, you're a thief. - atezun, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Do I have a problem with a file embedding my name in it? No, not really it's basically what ereader does although the format for their ebooks is proprietary i beleive and I have to use my name and credit card number to unlock a book for the first time on my palm. Overall I don't mind either of these schemes that much as their only purpose is keeping honest people honest, not treating everyone from the get go as a potential criminal.
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10that's what's lame about IP laws, which the RIAA forcibly imposes on all works of music, and even has the balls to collect royalties on stuff that they have no right to collect royalties on. it's a racketeering operation that is sanctioned by the government.
however this method of deterring piracy is fine by me. it's better than DRM which has ruined many potentially great entertainment products and services. -
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