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- Olle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I wonder if Steve Jobs knows that the Pod in iPod stands for Personal On Demand.
- ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Whatever the reason, "podcast" is the dominant term and it did not start out as an acronym. Period.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What company wouldn't want their brand to achieve 'household name' status?
Check out the look you get from a retail clerk when you ask them for 'facial tissue', 'adhesive bandages', or 'cotton swabs'. "You mean Kleenex, Bandaids, and Qtips?"
It's a significant milestone, and acheived usually through great branding, wide adoption before significant competition, and luck.
Nobody is going to forget that 'pod' from podcast originated from the iPod. In fact the name iPod itself is becoming the default term by non-technical people. They use it analogous to mp3 player.
"I got my Johnny a new ipod for his birthday"... "Gee Mom, it's actually a Zen Micro portable on Demand Player..."
Not likely...
+digg, just for Creative's futility. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3DewayneSmith & tomhome
"Podcasting" is a portmanteau that combines two words: "iPod" and "broadcasting."
The term is a misnomer since neither podcasting nor listening to podcasts requires an iPod or any portable player, and no broadcasting is required. The term is also sometimes criticized as giving undue credit to Apple for a technology which it had very little to do with creating. - Wikipedia
don't blame apple. it could easily have been mp3casting or online broadcasting. blame whoever coined the term podcasting. - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ZENcast = Zen's Execs are Numbskulls for broadCasting this. Did apple invent the Podcast? No. Does PODCasting stand for Portable On Demand broadCasting? No.
When I was a kid I didn't go out and buy a portable cassette tape player, I bought a damn walkman. I might have said Sanyo instead of Sony on it, but it was a damn walkman.
Kleenex isn't a thing, its a brand. But you know what, when I need to blow my nose, I reach for a kleenex. Maybe PG should start posting WebPages telling us that Kleenex really stands for Kimberly-Clark Loose Exciting Excrement Nasal Expectorant - beervolcano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I honestly don't see what the big deal is here. Sure, I found it rather amusing that Creative would try to define POD as Personal On Demand, but that's simply something that they had to do in order to separate the term from the iPod.
Obviously, people "in the know" realize that you don't need an iPod in order to listen to Podcasts, but these people aren't the target audience for this "About" page. The average consumer hears about Podcasts on the radio, sees it on Tivo, or find out about them through many of the other channels of information. There are a lot of people that aren't knowledgeable enough to realize that you don't need an iPod to listen to Podcasts.
Considering that many of Creative's products beat iPods on a spec by spec basis, it's no surprise that this is how they want the consumer to compare their products. - spectre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2'In marketing I believe this is called "brand differentiation"'
In the real world, this is called a Smoke Screen. - SatansMagicHat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The creation the iPod is the reason we have podcasts. So they didn't have any direct actions in making the podcast, but the only reason it was made is becuase of the huge influence and success of the iPod."
Yes becauyse without the creation of the iPod, the idea of the podcast would never have come around? Simply because it shares the same name does mean it is a product of something else. What the hell do TV dinners have to do with TV? Nothing, except at the time of their conception, "TV" was a really popular buzzword. Apple didn't create podcasts, just the name. Under any other name, they'd be around without the iPod. - MikeyC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let's just be thankful that they decided not to simply call podcasts "zencasts". Remember Microsoft trying to push the term "blogcasts" a few months back before relenting and going with the industry-standard term "podcasts".
- p0laris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Its a funny thing to say, but I sort of like it. Apple don't own the term, and although many people may refer to i"podcasts", Personal On Demand is a sneaky way to steal back the term. Fair play!
- ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2evolvedant:
They are saying, flat out, that POD refers to Personal On-Demand broadCasting. It doesn't mean that and has never meant that. Perhaps in their version of history, it does, but the real world clearly shows that the POD refers to iPods.
They aren't explaining it in laymen's terms, they are making up history that doesn't exist to try to distance podcasting from the competitor's product. - nukethewhales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Now I am willing to give credit where credit is due. The term podcast IS referencing the ipod, but you can't give them too much credit. Do you seriously believe that without the ipod there would be no podcasts? Obviously they wouldn't be called "podcasts" but A does not lead to B in this case. Podcasts were created by the people putting out the content and for all we know these people didn't even own an ipod. They don't need one. I listen to podcasts on my computer. The term podcast is just a term like band-aid or q-tip that was generalized. It has nothing to do with ipods.
Also I think that the guy who wrote the creative site probably had a little laugh about the new meaning of the term. So I take it as a joke and a marketing ploy. - compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Wrong! Apple had nothing to do with the creation of Podcasting other than creating the iPod..."
The creation the iPod is the reason we have podcasts. So they didn't have any direct actions in making the podcast, but the only reason it was made is becuase of the huge influence and success of the iPod. - m3rna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sooo...the iPod really means i-personal-on-demand?
- ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As an aside, I was surprised at the number of other "people" who refer to the POD part as an acronym. I did a google search for "personal on demand" and podcast and there was a whole slew of results. Interesting revisionist history being laid out here.
- TheCheeta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Retarded buzzwords" sometimes become industry standards... i.e., podcasting. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad, suck seawater. Deal.
I can see where Creative would want to define podcasting, but I think they could be tasteful about it and just lave off the bit about what pod stands for. No need to redefine it.
Podcasting is called podcasting /because/ of the iPod. No one cares about the whiners or those that didn't come up with another idea first. Kinda like the folks that get all pissy about that Million Dollar Homepage dude... you are just pissed that you didn't think of it first.
So... in summation, sad that Creative, who I am a bit of a fan of, had to try to explain away podcasting like that. However, I think most people get it. Besides... wikipedia will define it right, right? - PlancksCnst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Although I HATE the term "podcast", this is too funny.
- Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I emailed them.
On your about page you state the following:
"About podcasts and video blogs
Podcasts, short for Personal On Demand broadCast, are audio files you can download into any MP3 player or computer. These audio files are broadcasted over the Internet automatically to subscribers of specific podcast channels."
I am intrigued, as I had always belived the pod was taken from the pod in Apple's "iPod". However, this has brought up another question, why did you choose to name your podcasting service with the same system if it isn't true? - ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"steal back the term"
Steal it back? What did pocasting used to mean before iPod users "stole it"? - Jether, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't see whats so funny tbh. But i don't really like apple and have a Zen micro so i suppose iam a bit biased.
- zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ nerys:
"LEt me enlighten you. you CAN NOT play music on your ipod unless you FIRST install and use ITUNES (or a third party software that emulates what itunes does)"
So basically like its like every other player out there. It requires something specific to connect to. Yeah, thats a pretty lame idea of interface lock-in. iTunes doesn't lock you out from loading your music (from any other source outside of those lame alternative subscription services) on to it. Apple can't control AAC or MP3 or any of the others. Thats not really a lock-in. Hell if you want to, you don't even need to use iTunes to load music on. Just open up the terminal type in cd /Volumes//ipod control/music/ boom, music directory.
"thats a proprietary locked in interface. also no legal withing the US music service will work for yo except ITUNES !!"
Not really. Lock would say iTunes is the only way to get music on there. Its not. You can use drive images. You can use the terminal. You can load up a copy of Linux and use it as that.
"o yo music must come from either itunes or yo own CD's or from a potentially illegal source."
Last time I checked, those were the only real sources left. Personally I have no interest in those other Download Music sources. I don't feel like paying $15 a month to some run of the mill site to listen to music that I downloaded maybe years back. Last time I checked open p2p is not a locked in source. CDs are a lockin now? Wow, since when did other people burning CDs suddenly become nonexistant.
What other sources of content are there? Radio? Well you can record that and upload that to your computer. Internet Radio? The same, but a lot easier and quicker. Music CDs lent to you by friends? Nope can still load that on an iPod. Music Television? Well, even still you can get that on an iPod. What lockin is there? Just a music store selection? That doesn't really hurt much. Considering iTunes is the biggest and cheapest ones out there.
"thats "locked in" if I ever saw it :-) though I guess that would apply to ANY DRM ridden system. DRM is bad period. it can never under any conditions be good for the consumer. NEVER."
You need your eyes checked then, or every MP3 player regardless of its functions or creator is LOCKED-IN.
While I do think DRM is inherently evil it does give us one benefit. It gives music producers some assurance that they'll make some money on their hard work. But then again nothing from the RIAA could be considered hard work or good.
@ demagogue:
"Creative is really the only company makeing products better than the ipods...."
Thats only a matter of opinion. Personally I have no use for AM/FM transmitter/recievers. I'd don't like listening to advertisements and retarded shockjocks on FM. If people really cared so much about those extraneous and frivolous features, Apple wouldn't be in the lead... would they? - vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In marketing I believe this is called "brand differentiation"
- RayS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Doc Searls came up with the definition of POD for podcasting that was not so iPod centric. Just google "Doc Searls" and "Personal On Demand" and you'll see lots of hits, including Wikipedia.
- noodhoog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IMO "podcast" is right up there with "information superhighway" in terms of being one of the ***** clueless marketroid terms to drop out of the arse of internet culture.
But that's just my opinion. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go jack my matrix rig in to the cybervirtualinfowebbertron. - Cthalupa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know, gay didn't always mean homosexual.
What Creative is doing is smart. Possibly futile, but it would be even more idiotic to not try. - frodocrockett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I, for one, am tired of all the ***** fad names that have sprung up in the past few years. I thought "weblog" (and its derivatives) were bad, but "podcast" is worse. Not only does it sound bad, but half the ***** word has nothing to do with what it describes!
Theory: The usage of these annoying words will decline as the net media absorbs, alters, and obsoletes meatspace media. - shunter99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they aren't revising history. they are revising the future.
what's wrong with altering the meaning of a word to accommodate current developments? - chuckythe2651, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DewayneSmith,
How is Apple "dumb ass?" They own the personal entertainment market? Their iPod product has become synonymous with a content distribution method (not unlike xerox and the photocopy of the 80s). Podcast have be exploding and they didn't have to include ANYONE in the market. Apple is just doing it's thing..and apparently Creative is doing it's thing (creatively stealing ideas and re-branding them as their own.) I disagree with a lot of what Apple does...but getting the word "Podcast" to be the term for distribution of radio (or now TV) style content hardly makes them "Dumb Ass." By the way the New Oxford American Dictionary declared Podcast word of the year. Real dumb move. - GabeDiaz, on 11/27/2008, -1/+2who gives a *****. at least there is another company striving to get to the top. isn't creative the one who also wanted to patent the menu system used in ipods.
anyways, without other companies making similar products apple would monopolize the market...funny everyone hates microsoft for being a monopoly but when other companies come to compete with apple people complain.
get off the apple band wagon. - Crazen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Far better than the stupid basis it originally was used for. As if there is only one mp3 player. Take that dumbass "podfather"....
- heartsinaustin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What people call podcasting existed before the term. It drives me nuts when I here the term anyhow because it sounds like a stupid word.
If you want an example of marketing gone really wrong think of Pentax. "Official digital camera of the Internet" Now thats a BS claim if I ever heard one. - emutree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pure hilarity. Whoever works at Creative and came up with that one deseves a bonus.
- BBad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LMAO it really doesn't matter what it stands for, only what people think it stands for Personal On Demand Cast = "PODCast" is a good way to market a service and not make it seem like it's just for iPods.
- ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lol, official digital camera of the internet. That's rich. Everyone knows Al Gore invented digital cameras.
- SadBeef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Creative is doing it's thing (creatively stealing ideas and re-branding them as their own.)"
the iPod probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for creative. Creative made the first portable mp3 player with a hard drive. apple "creatively" stole the idea. Creative's mp3 players were always cheaper and better than ipods up until the past year or so, when apple started releasing good (but still overpriced) ones, and creative started slacking. I purchased my 60gig Zen Xtra for the same price as a 20gig ipod. - kevinmoore, on 06/13/2009, -0/+1> so many people are now chained to there IPOD and there music format that they can't
> change to something different
I have mp3s and wav files on my iPod. How does that chain me to Apple's music players? I've heard this argument before and I just don't get it.
> how else can you feel good about being screwed by Apple locked in to they never ending
> upgrades
My iPod (3G 30GB) is almost three years old and it works fine. I use it every day. How is Apple screwing me by releasing new versions of the iPod? How am I locked in? - cy_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0too funny
- sniper668, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Look at me, I'm commentcasting! Please tune in for my next commentcast."
Check out my commentcast (which stands for Certified Original Massively-Multiplatform ENtertainment Text broadCast) too! - il0vemymac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ROFLMFAO!!! They've got to be kidding us!
- notkevin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the iPod probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for creative. Creative made the first portable mp3 player with a hard drive."
Yeah, because it was such an original idea. If it wasn't for Creative nobody would have thought to store files on a hard drive and then make it portable so you can take it with you! - brian1001001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could be worse. they could have called em "CreapCasts"
- Terjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"if POD is an acronym, then what did creative say the ZEN acronym stands for?"
Zonal Entertainment Node? give their marketing guys a few days they come up with something awesome, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if there already didn't stand for something but we just didn't get that memo. - cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hmmm, I guess it could be P.O.D. Casting as well
http://www.payableondeath.com/ - beervolcano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The click wheel's easy to use, but so is the touch pad system that's on the Zen Micro. I prefer the functionality of Creative's menu system, but for scrolling through menus/songs, the click wheel is the definite winner.
I'm not trying to be biased towards either company, but people need to understand that what Creative's doing is simply a marketing tactic in order to give there product an equal platform in the marketplace. They're trying to get people to only consider the specs and not the commonly perceived notion that podcasts(not Podcasts..to appease TheCheeta) are not only available on the iPod. This is a good tactic, though their methods are questionable. - ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0beervolcano, I would agree with you if they weren't so black and white about "What the pod part represents". They don't "suggest" we call it something new, they outright tell us the incorrect history of the common term.
- Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"@ Bigcat re: "The thing is, these buzzwords catch on because people are lazy, and it is much easier/convenient to say "podcast" then "downloaded mp3 stream."
Yes, people are indeed lazy. Which is why we have these things called contractions that made their way into the English language... two of which you used in your own post. Hmm."
When did I say I do not use the term "downloaded mp3 stream?"
:P - tmcleroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0zencast? HAH!
- eleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DUGG for all the great comments. - Happy New Year!
- BitBurner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A Podcast to my understanding is an MP3 file that can be downloaded automatically through the use of an RSS subscription without your interaction. Dave Winer has been doing this with gratefuldead songs for some time.
http://www.scripting.com/blog/categories/gratefulDead.html
"A high-fidelity Grateful Dead song every day. This is where we're experimenting with enclosures on RSS news items that download when you're not using your computer. If it works (it will) it will be the end of the Click-And-Wait multimedia experience on the Internet."
Might as well he helped create RSS. Another buzz word he hates....lol so it should really be called EnclosureCast, DaveCast, AdamCast (lol) or even RSSCast.
Some MacOSX only software (name i can't recall... ipodder or something) was one of the first to be able to subscribe to these RSS feeds and download the enclosures automaticly. Thus when you synced your ipod it would automaticly load the MP3. This is way beyond a regular html link to an MP3 on a website. This was a subscription! This is possibly why iPod was used for the name. Chances are it was a Mac news site that had the first "podcasts" - Terjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
"Considering that many of Creative's products beat iPods on a spec by spec basis, it's no surprise that this is how they want the consumer to compare their products."
Well I will give you that Creative's products are getting pretty good, but Apple does still have a stranglehold on the portable media player market. And it's not the capabilities of the product as much as it is that little click wheel that is just so easy to use. -
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