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- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Don't mind rebooting? Use BootCamp.
Don't want to reboot? Use Parallels. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Boot Camp.
* Native
* No overhead from the VM
* Can use ALL your RAM - wsewell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yeah, and with Boot Camp you don't have to reboot.... oh wait you do.... hmm.... well maybe it's not so clear cut after all. It completely depends on what you want to do with Winbloze. Games == pretty much need bootcamp. Just need IE for the occasional crappy web site or some simple app not yet ported to OSX == Parallels is great.
- Solidcell, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Ah, but you're the catcher, bitch.
Leo Laporte's socks are more interesting that you can ever hope to aspire to. - sych0, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15na, its a dell macbook.
- gleffler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Also Boot Camp supports D3D whereas Parallels does not.
- mddleNameIsEarl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I can think of one particularly compelling reason to go with Parallels instead of Bootcamp. If you are using Windows simply as a test development client against an OSX based server, you are going to need both operating systems to be running simultaneously- assuming, of course, that you only have one machine at your disposal. That way you can fire up IE in windows, and point it at whatever server you are running in OSX. This is particularly useful if you are testing OS based browser behaviour against server code- a very common developer task.
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I remember Leo Laporte debating this on a previous episode of TWiT. Does anyone know which way he went?
- elpayo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Boot Camp worked like a charm on the first try on my MBP.
But for you:
Back up your OSX, then reformat the drive and do a clean install of tiger, apply updates, then get Boot Camp and make your partition. Install xp. Play for a while. Then boot back into OSX and restore your backed up apps, docs etc using Migration Assistant. - MacMixMaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ummm...No.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did you watch the video provided there? it seemed to run very well. It looked like 40 fps to me.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Boot camp is definetly the clear winner here for your standard desktop user.... however parallels offer some interesting things that might be useful to the administrator on the go.
- sclifford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I run BootCamp for games (Half-Life 2, FEAR, etc. - 30GB) and Parallels for browser testing (various versions of IE, Netscape, FireFox, Opera, etc. 38GB - the image is 26.4GB), Visual Studio stuff, and beta testing (MS Office 2007, etc.). I have to say that I'm very pleased with game performance under BootCamp and with app performance under Parallels. HL2 is gorgeous; I have everything turned to max (AA, AF), bloom and reflections, and have deathmatched quite a bit.
I just "switched" and bought a 17" MBP about three weeks ago. It's a delight. I opted for the 120GB HDD; still space is somewhat cramped. Since I mostly do webdev work games are secondary. Things can get pokey when I have a lot of apps running, so I'm going to bump up to 2GB of RAM from 1GB soonish. - davdav, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Parallels is better for everything except games
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It gives you a feeling for switch time though - if you are in OS X and want to move to Windows, how long will it take?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Running windows on intel hardware is ridiculous? That's funny...
Personally, I was planning on using Boot Camp to boot into windows for gaming, but after I've done some research.. And most of the games I'd be playing exist for OSX already! For example, everything from Blizzard, Homeworld 2, and KotOR.
I used to hate macs, but I think it was only because I had never used them. After installing OSX on my Inspiron 4150, I'm a convert. - somenice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ctrl+shift+esc
and right click is ctrl+shift+F10
Awkward but useful - Hamletlere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Ireland
Bootcamp safer? I'm afraid you have that exactly backwards. Windows running under Bootcamp has access to all of the hardware, including the hard disk that contains OS X. A virus caught under this Windows can trash the entire machine.
Under Parallels, Windows only has access to "virtual hardware". A virus might be able to trash the virtual harddisk, but in reality that is merely a file managed by OS X on the real harddrive. So a virus can't affect the machine at large. - shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1CS and CS:S are really pretty diffrent games. Just ask a hardcore CS, not me.
- keylargodave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Why does there need to be a choice. Parallels is cheap enough. I don't see anything violating the license agreement with MS for using the same copy of XP. Use the system that you need for the task you're trying to accomplish. I try and stay out of Windows as much as possible and only bring up either Bootcamp or Parallels when I need to do something that I cannot do under OSX.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the end all solution would be if apple managed to do a parallels type solution for easy switching but managed to give the windows side access to the video card. That way you would have the best of both worlds. I suppose thats the incarnation of "have your cake, and eat it too".
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't see enough pros to warrant 80$ (or 40$ preorder) to go with Parallels instead of Bootcamp, which will be built in natively.
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oblivion, BFME 2, halflife 2 e1, HL2,CS,SC,fallout,fallout 2 ,Civ 4, Fable, Quake 4 ect.
all looking purty without slowing down. - sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Parallels every time !
VM is the way to go, run Windows and OSX side by side, no comparison, unless you're thinking games ... which I don't. - tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ phlogiston99
You cannot just simply say, if you want to play games, get a console. Becuase RTS, Strategy, games like Civ 4 and Age Of Empires. Adventure games, and MMO's, do not really exist in the console realm. Not to mention the plethora of FPS games that are simply better on the PC thanks to the mouse and keyboard.
Believe me, if PC gaming wasn't important, then MS wouldn't be supporting it like they are!
Also, a lot of software I use isn't available for Mac. Such as FL Studio (yes I know there are comparable programs for Mac, but I've been using FL for almost 5 years). Foobar 2000 my extremely customized music player. I have been using Windows for over 10 years, I know my way around it better than any other OS. I don't get trojans, viruses, and spyware. I know the advantages of a Mac, I'm very experienced in OSX, and I like the operating system a lot. But I have a dual boot Ubuntu Windows XP system, and it suits all my needs.
The only reason I would buy a Mac, would be if I ever had the need for a laptop, then no question I would buy a Macbook. - ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Right click? It's just two fingers on the touch pad.
;)
I'll run Ubuntu, XP and OSX. Just havnt decided in what way. - NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's pretty simple, if you want graphics heavy apps you NEED bootcamp otherwise parrallels is fine.
- ACalcutt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3We had a boot camp deminstration at work today. We wanted to test joining it to our domain. I found it funny when windows loaded and showed the "Press ctrl-alt-del to log on" we couldn't log on because we coudn't find what ctrl-alt-del on the mac was(since delete on the mac is actually backspace for windows)... The mac representatives told us there was a key comination but they didn't know what it was...lol
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"""
Apple present a quite glowing report on Parallels [even] though it's a relative newcomer to the Mac scene, here's a snippet from what they had to say about it on their software page (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/parallelsworkstation.html ):
"The most powerful, easiest-to-use, cost-effective desktop virtual PC solution available today. It empowers any user, from experienced professional developers to sales executives to casual home users, with the ability to create completely networked, totally secure independent, maximally stable virtual machines on a single physical machine."
"""
Those blurbs are submitted by the software publisher - in this case, Parallels, Inc. - althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't mean to break from the topic too much but did you see that performance with half life 2 on the macbook?!?! It has intel integrated graphics but it was running half life 2 at 40fps! That was fantastic! It looks like the people complaining about the video performance on the macbook need to shut up now.
- Kelmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I totally agree. I'm planning to run both solutions. Parallels will be used 95% of the time but I'll install Boot Camp as well for the odd occasions when I want to play the few PC games that I own or if a virtualised solution won't work for a particular application. Since Microsoft will let you use the same copy of Windows on the same computer for both solutions it makes sense, for me, to install both.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought the article said it was a pro (which would make sense). The video may have been made before the "real" macbook was released.
- robosport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2... and, related, hardware accelerated OpenGL with Boot Camp. The article reminds us there is no hardware accelerated graphics of any kind with any virtualization solution.
- Books, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That was a really good article. Went into details about everything and anything.
- .mark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's a good chunk of people who work for Apple who are big behind Parallels. I recently went to a large training seminar and they were all over Parallels as a product. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Apple didn't just purchase the rights and technology behind Parallels and implement it into the next operating system release.
Personally, I just use Boot Camp. I'm not too fond of Parallels, but to each their own. - autodata, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Agreed. Parallels is significantly more convenient and, with virtual desktops, it's like having two (or more) machines in one. I generally have 3 OS X desktops, 1 XP desktop and 1 Linux desktop , all running at full speed, networked and just a cube effect away. Beat that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1 Can it run on a texas instruments calculator?
They are way better than what the woz has built.
And way more popular, BTW. - safer9999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I want to play games on Parallels!@@!!@@!@! I don't want to use BOOT CAMP. Parallels team please keep progarmming!!!!
Neal Saferstein - cmer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Parallels is what I chose... it is a lot more convenient because I don't have to reboot all the time, and I can do stuff in XP at the same time as I do stuff in OS X. However, I think Parallels lacks some great VMWare features... I just can't wait for VMWare for OS X!!!!!
- Olle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I _can't_ be a convert.
I develop for Windows for a living so I need windows. I wish that I was developing for Java rather than C# for that very reason because I'm pretty tired of Windows XP and I'm not looking forward to Vista very much.
But, with bootcamp I could buy a MacBook Pro. I'm currently mulling that over, trying to decide what to do. - RomieZ, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I meant that it would seem more logical on a Mac Book Pro, with the better video card and all..
- Focher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I suspect that what you will see in the next version of OS X will actually be closer to Parallels in end user functionality. If you read the Boot Camp pages they hint at integrated functionality. Before the download it says "More and more people are buying and loving Macs. To make this choice simply irresistible, Apple will include technology in the next major release of Mac OS X, Leopard, that lets you install and run the Windows XP operating system on your Mac."
After the download it says "Thank you for your interest in features of the next version of Mac OS X, Leopard." I doubt they would describe the ability to dual boot the machine to another operating system to be a feature of OS X.
My prediction is that you will be able to run the apps seamlessly inside of OS X. This would be similar to how OS/2 was able to run Windows applications. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"Man, the Prius is the Cadillac of Hybrids."
- olivierk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why can't people understand that people have a use for both??
I have Parallels open at all times to use Visio/Word for my spec writing and that works beautifully! (need to collaborate with mostly PC users and there is no technical diagram cross-platform workflow).
When I need to run a video app or a game, I'll boot up in Boot Camp.
What we really need is a way for Parallels to use the Bootcamp partition so I don't waist HD space and run into licensing nightmares because I'm running 2 different PCs on one laptop! - frizop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ Auto
Minus the Linux and that's the way I run it, except I use my laptop monitor for XP and my desktop monitor for OSX. I look to my left and have everything I need from XP right there. - YoGramMamma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The article mentioned expressely that is was NOT a macbook pro, but that the game demo should have probably been best shown on a Pro. This 30-40 fps was pretty impressive. If you watch the youtube video you can see the white bezel on the laptop with the iSight in the center. Its a macbook alright... integrated graphcis and all. I dont really game much, and I dont think 30-40 fps is anything to call home about, but from what i saw it was good looking, alot better than i thought it'd be, and i wonder what all those people were blabbering about when this thing first came with its integrated graphics and how they were SOOO horrible. Considering the fact that most people who game dont do so on 13 inch laptops, i think its pretty impressive.
- ditangquan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1parallels.... with 2gb of ram i can allocate 512mb to an ubuntu server that runs torrentflux. nice having a torrent server i can access from anywhere!
- nicklinus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1yea boot camp is the way to go for sure!
- imightbewrong, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2either way you've gotta admit its pretty cool, ten years ago i dont think anyone would have seen this coming
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