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- lazeedigger, on 03/06/2009, -3/+23I really like this move by Saurik. Creating a Cydia store really help legitimizes the whole open iPhone development community. There are a lot of great applications that Apple would not allow, Cycorder, PdaNET, and Snapture just 3 of many great examples. These developers deliver way better work than what's available on AppStore, why shouldn't they be compensated for it as well?
Many of these jailbreak developers don't expect to make much money for their work, they do it for the love of the game. Now imagine one day you tell these people that they can make a living for doing what they love- innovating out of the corporate boundaries...
I can't wait to see all of the iPhone innovations spurring up as a result of the successful launch of Cydia Store. Go Saurik! - roijen, on 03/06/2009, -6/+17I really hate seeing all these "Breaking" stories on the front page. Stop being so overdramatic. Sheesh.
/amidoingitrite - benitojuarez, on 03/06/2009, -7/+17It would be nice if they let you install whatever you want, just like every other phone out there.
- deadbaby, on 03/06/2009, -3/+12I'm not sure it's such a good idea to buy software from a service that may no longer exist when the iPhone OS gets updated. Seems like potentially a very bad situation for consumers. I also don't understand why these developers don't just go develop for Android if Apple's policies upset them so much.
- utnow, on 03/06/2009, -1/+9"These developers deliver way better work than what's available on AppStore"
Meeeeeh.... these apps are outstanding examples amid a sea of average crap. The same situations appears in the App Store proper. Free apps developed by artists who love what they do. Paid apps by legit dev teams, and paid apps by people who think a white screen is a good excuse to charge $0.99.
The only things that the Cydia store really has going for it is that 1) it's denizins are *slightly* more adept with their technology. More good devs and better "customers" that know how to make things work on their own (I can't count the number of "the sound doesn't work!" emails I get from people who have their phones muted...). And 2) it's acceptable to use unsupported APIs. Two edged sword if you ask me. - inactive, on 03/07/2009, -3/+10why settle for using a device limited in its abilities when you know you can get more out of it?
it'd be like buying a ferrari and sticking to 50mph - Chakat, on 03/07/2009, -1/+8How about you sell me a product and let me do whatever the ***** I want with it? If I don't like how some feature of my ikea desk, I won't have a team of swedish commandos breaking down my door if I decide to nail in another shelf. Why should the iphone be any different?
- mylopolis, on 03/06/2009, -1/+7This sucks. So much for Apples relative 'blind eye' to jailbreaking. If that becomes direct financial competition, they're going to crack down and start bricking.
- nextekcarl, on 03/06/2009, -2/+7Whoosh!
- roijen, on 03/06/2009, -2/+7I like how you covered both possibilities.
- deadbaby, on 03/06/2009, -3/+8It would be nice if it printed $20 bills too.
- kevine, on 03/07/2009, -2/+6There's another choice for those of us that don't like it. Buy the iPhone, and jailbreak it. The last time I checked there weren't any viruses for the iPhone, jailbroken or not. And the fanboy virus argument doesn't apply anyway because while OS X is virus-free, Apple *does* allow anyone to develop OS X apps without getting in the way like it does the iPhone.
- eshiki, on 03/07/2009, -1/+4Because Android market share is very small compared to the iPhone. People use youtube because that's where the people are. there are better user video services out there, but if no one will ever see your video there's no point in posting it.
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -3/+6<3 cydia apps. especially winterboard and xgps
- lpferris, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3"...hundreds of iPhone applications..." W-*****-OW! Hundreds, you say? Groundbreaking.
- chkdg8, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3"Competition is always good," says Mr. Shah. "Competition breeds innovation."
Or a change in Apple policy. I'm so sick and tired of Apple underestimating its user base. Why should we have to resort to jailbreaking our iPhones in order to enjoy the iPhone's full potential? I swear, if there's no copy & paste on the next update, there's going to be a huge backlash in the Apple community. Enough said. - mmeiser, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3"This sucks. So much for Apples relative 'blind eye' to jailbreaking. If that becomes direct financial competition, they're going to crack down and start bricking."
I don't think so. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially in the legal world.
They could most definitely suffer a class action lawsuit if they intentially broke / bricked jailbroken phones.
If you catch someone shoplifting you can't slash the tires on their car. The law just doesn't work that way.
This is especially true if you either
a) don't intend to take them to court and instead are using the second wrong as a form of vigilantism
and
b) your legal case for bricking doesn't even have legal precident... i.e. what the person is doing hasn't been proven to be against the law. Jailbreaking while theoretically against the DMCA has NOT been tested in court and is a gross misuse of the DMCA which may never hold up in court. If Apple acts on this assumption is wrong, they could suffer hundreds of millions in legal costs from a class action down the road. - t0ny, on 03/07/2009, -1/+4"Virus checkers, OS spyware blockers, disk defraggers. All the stuff Vista users can get cheaply, that apple owners even after they pay the apple tax can't buy. Apple's have no utilities. I work with PC's every day and their is no way I would ever recommend an Apple product."
Mainly because you dont need virus "checkers" and spyware "blockers". The utilities on OS X are 1000% better then windows. Can you port scan, make encrypted disk images or anything like that with builtin tools in Windows? - pc4ever1, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3 I guess you never changed out the radio in your car, or changed the wheels on one .... I bought the phone and will make it work like I want it to. That's the beauty of electronics, you don't have to live with handcuffs on. I pay my AT&T monthly fees and will choose to use the "device" as I wish. I don't recall signing any papers that restricted the way I use the phone when I bought it. I'll load whatever I choose to and if I brick it shame on me. Screw the greedy corporations that continually change the rules to monopolize.
- alansky, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3Non-story. iPhone owners willing to void their warranty have always been able to jailbreak their iPhones in order to install unauthorized software. So if you don't mind voiding your warranty, knock yourself out at the "renegade" stores.
- billessig, on 03/06/2009, -4/+6And iPhone owners will have to congregate outside apple stores and "brick" their storefronts.
- MtheoryX, on 03/07/2009, -0/+2I'll preface this with the fact that I am a Mac user; however, I am the first to criticize things that Apple does wrong.
Moving on... Perhaps it's just me, perhaps I'm the only SANE Mac user out there, but...
It appears that Apple-haters pay way more attention to Steve Jobs than Apple users. He's just a single guy at a very large company.
He doesn't write the code, he doesn't come up with all the ides, and he doesn't set all the policies. Apple is a publicly traded for-profit company. They have a board of directors, many share holders, and many more stake holders, including but not limited to 3rd party developers, higher education customers, and consumers.
To think that a single guy, as strange as he may be, has that much influence over a company to the point of boycotting the entire company is in the same level of ignorance as the people that blame the President, rather than Congress, for every single problem with the U.S.
But, maybe that's just me ;p - adriaaan, on 03/06/2009, -2/+4This isn't talking about Cydia. This is talking about a replacement for the App Store. Cydia lets you download packages, but it doesn't let you buy applications. A Cydia Store would allow that.
- Flagg3, on 03/06/2009, -2/+4Uhh, If you read the article you would see that it's not about Cydia, it's about a new Cydia Store.
- MtheoryX, on 03/07/2009, -0/+2I'm not going to use the cliche car analogy, but you are being very short sighted here.
If you make a product, and I purchase said product, the transaction is over. It is now MY product, and you have no control over what I choose to do with it.
What if gun manufacturers prohibited you from using other brands of magazines, ammunition, or holsters? Would that make sense?
Sure, you are encouraged to use Glock brand magazines with Glock pistols because they are designed to be perfectly compatible; however, you aren't prohibited from using another brand. You certainly wouldn't be violating any kind of EULA or anything. - Chakat, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3How exactly is jailbreaking stealing? They bought the phone, they found a weakness, they modified it to better serve their purpose. Should auto makers go after people who sell aftermarket engine products for stealing people who should have just bought a bigger engine?
- inactive, on 03/07/2009, -2/+4Historically speaking, whenever the iphone OS gets updated it takes the dev team very little time to get a jailbreak working for it and about the same amount of time for saurik to get cydia working properly, im sure most people who jailbreak their devices happily wait a week before updating to the newest firmware. Also if the majority of the developers went to develop for andriod i suspect a good percentage of the appstore apps that are actually good wouldn't exist because a lot of app store devs started off with jailbreaks on the 1.*.* firmwares and moved to the app store, some of them code for both.
Why is cydia a good thing?
competition breeds innovation - cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3While it's nice to have the potential control over such things, that's not a huge reason in and of itself. OS X has completely open development on the Mac side, and is not infected.
"Keeping things more limited on the iPhone so as to have a more stable device" is much more the case, reinforced by many a techie geek who, while they enjoyed being able to put everything they wanted on their phone, were apt to have to reset their device at least once a day, keep adding and removing applications to try to resolve conflicts, suffer performance degradation from memory management...
That's what the iPhone is hoping to remain distinguished with, but may be forced off that point if others provide open development platforms that are themselves just as stable and--as a secondary trait--secure as well. - jparkinson, on 03/07/2009, -2/+4That would be the worst move apple could ever make...
How to piss off the fanbase of your biggest money-maker 101 - cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3If something gets big enough to attract any genuine attention or threaten trademark/copyright enforcement, they'll smack it regardless of if it's any real "threat." (e.g. Psystar's Mac clones)
As they really don't care otherwise, it behooves such backdoor markets to not put a central face, identity, and revenue stream to what they're doing, so that they keep getting ignored. - cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -0/+2The Nintendo DS is a computer with special IO.
The Xbox 360 is a computer with special IO.
TiVo is a computer with special IO.
...why is it that people seem to only care about this in specific areas, but are fine and dandy with it in most others? - jparkinson, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3Why the ***** would i want Vista on my iphone?
- homercles337, on 03/07/2009, -2/+3No one can break the usefulness of the iPhone. You need to add 2 and 2? There is an app for that. You need to be reminded what your name is? There is an app for that. Did you forget what day it is? There is an app for that. The Apple iPhone, helping out idiots where ever they need it.
- cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1The DMCA has a lot of ***** attached, but it hasn't stood as a protector over the console model for as long as that's been around, either. That's been well and firmly in place since the 80's.
- cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -2/+3If by that you mean "most other smartphones."
Apple's adopted a different business model, and one that's more "like a console" than "like a computer." Both approaches have pros and cons, and people spend a lot of money on both, so it really just comes down to "what do you prefer?" - inactive, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1They don't need too. No one is going to buy from these stores. They will go out business on their own. Hehe
- ispshadow, on 03/07/2009, -1/+2Wow. It's almost as if you didn't read the article at all.
Go back and read it again. - t0ny, on 03/07/2009, -1/+2I'm a version behind now on my jailbroke iPod Touch. No real reason to spend the time updating it.
- MtheoryX, on 03/07/2009, -0/+155 Stay Alive
- t0ny, on 03/07/2009, -2/+3I jailbroke my iPod Touch about a year ago and the police or Apple has not kicked my door in yet.
- cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -1/+2Selling products through a storefront? TRULY AN UNHEARD-OF CONCEPT THAT APPLE OBVIOUSLY STOLE!
- inactive, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Stop believing what these bloggers are writing. None of the crap they write about effects the use of the phone, like Cut and Paste.
Get an iPhone and use it and you'll see what I mean - 4phun, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Everytime Apple makes an update to the firmware all these 'jail broken' applications must be re written. If the developer has lost interest you are out all your money.
I'll pass for the 15,000 to 20,000 apps in the real Apple Store that do work. - mmeiser, on 03/14/2009, -0/+1I think it'd be poetic to start reading reports of apple store windows broken in the night by "bricked" iphones.
- cthellis, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1There will always be a market for open platforms, though. There's just simultaneously a market for EASY platforms, or ones that are "closed in a way no one gives a ***** about."
It would take the concerted effort of... like... EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME to push things beyond the tipping point, and there are always legal recourses that can be made at that time. But by and large, and ESPECIALLY with all the splintering of different devices, there will be plenty of people and companies serving open standards and open development that people can flock to. Frankly the "open standards" that have only been increasing and that we NEED to support (even closed systems recognize that, as they can't compete with the whole field without supporting those, and wouldn't get to a monopoly-type position to laud their own otherwise) will keep that going perpetually.
There's been no reason to push or fear right now.
The only thing that really CAN be that kind of horror scenario is when you're not "sold your own copy" of anything, but stream everything on demand and pay for access... And none of the current models, closed or open development, can prevent THAT. - MtheoryX, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Gentlemen, how about we just let the market and consumers sort that argument out? Your opinion is just that.
- cthellis, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1You do know that most other phones only have minor software distribution platforms (BREW, etc.) that are available through the carrier, right? Going through the process of hacking firmware, or unlocking certain settings on the phone, figuring out how to allow data transferring through Bluetooth on certain phones... None of that is an example of them "letting you install whatever you want" but "installing what you want anyway" in much the same way as the people in the article are.
When most times getting something on requires you know precisely what model of phone you have, have the specific link cable, have purchased their software separately, which for the most part only innately allows you to move mosic files around... Easier to hack a damn iPhone. ;-)
Also for reference, software like WMWiFi Router violates the terms of service of most people's data plans, which is why they have eggregiously expensive plans otherwise. (Verizon's and Sprint's $60/month for 5GB "Mobile Broadband," AT&T's "+ tethering" for $30/month extra for those same 5GB...) Apple does have certain PITA restrictions right now, but the same folks who have been locking down the hardware for years are still standing in the way of things like tethering apps.
...and you have a hard time deciding to "never use them again" and whipping up "evil" frenzy. (I mean they ARE--especially in regards to SMS messages--but nobody listens. ;-) ) - benitojuarez, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1no need for data cables, i always used funformobile.com to send jar/jads to my dumbphone back in the day.
- robbob, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1muck it up?
You're BS-ing. No one on digg is that old - MtheoryX, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Windows Mobile.
Just sayin'. -
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