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- s0ny, on 10/12/2007, -6/+49And another thing. WHY EVERYTIME IS THERE AN OSX / WINDOWS ARTICLE ARE THE FIRST 6 ***** COMMENTS "BLAH BLAH....LINUX WOOWOOOO", "JUST GET LINUX ITS FREE!"
God. This isn't the girl-scouts and your not selling cookies door to door. If people wanted to be running Linux they would. I dont open a "Windows Vista" or "Mac OS X" article on digg to read about how much better my life would be if only I ran Linux. You dont run photoshop, you dont run games, application installation isnt as smooth, and yes, Ive used MANY versions of Linux and Unix and the simple fact is OS X to ME, is a perfect blend of all the benefits of both operating systems in one.
Everyone here runs their OS based on their preferences and needs. To each their own, Im just getting tired from every Windows, Mac, and Linux article I go to read I feel like Im at a car dealership being haggled to buy a new car. If you like Linux and hate Microsoft so much, then read the ***** Linux articles. If Mac users hate Windows so much then dont read the article!
The only educated people who should actually voice their opinion on OS arguments are those who have used ALL of the operating systems IN DEPTH (for more than a year a piece). Because I would venture most Windows users who bash Macs/Linux have never used either in depth, and vice versa. - Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Direct hardware access for things like accelerated graphics.
- Indrek, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26A Mac is a computer. Windows is an operating system. You can't run a computer on an OS. What you're thinking of, most likely, is running Mac OS X on a PC. Which has been done.
Also, "Linux on a windows"? I think you're confusing virtualisation and dual-booting here. - lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"Everyone here runs their OS based on their preferences and needs. To each their own, Im just getting tired from every Windows, Mac, and Linux article I go to read I feel like Im at a car dealership being haggled to buy a new car. If you like Linux and hate Microsoft so much, then read the ***** Linux articles. If Mac users hate Windows so much then dont read the article"
AMEN! This goes for every Linux article I've tried to read. There are Windows users voicing their opinion. I have used all three extensively and I know most fanboi's who post here haven't don't have a clue.
Like the man said....if you're a linux lover...read the linux articles and comment there....if you are a windows lover.....read the windows articles.........mac mac...........otherwise you are just being annoying....just stay off digg if thats what your goal is. - christianw, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24mac hardware is overpriced huh?
ok lets compare here.
we'll start w/ the mac mini. an aopen mini configured with about the same specs at directron(with core solo processor, atm you cant order a pc w/ a centrino duo in the same form factor, nobody makes one) runs 776.00 before shipping and tax. a similar speced mac mini from apple 599.99. mac mini is cheaper than a pc equivallent here by 177.00.
next lets move to the imac. the only thing in the pc world thats close to the imac is the dell xps m2010. configured with a 2ghz processor, dell's runs 3925.00. now yes the xps has an x1800 and the imac an x1600 and according to newegg pricing thats about 100-150 dollar difference in cards. But the imac runs for 1799.00 with 1 gig ram making the imac a whopping 2126.00 cheaper before shipping.
now lets look at small notebooks. again we'll loook at dell's XPS M1210. configured the same as the macbook, including integrated webcam. dell comes in at 1443.00. the macbook of the same specs comes in at 1199.00 which makes the macbook cheaper by 244.00 for essentially the same computer.
finally we'll look at the macbook pro. the mbp comes in at 2799.00. the XPS M1710 from dell comes in at $3,375. now mind you theres a big huge monster difference in graphics chips in this comparison. the dell has a 7900 class nvidia chip. massive improvement over the x1600 in the macbook pro. while the macbook pro is 576.00 cheaper in this example as well. Honestly I think the difference in video card alone make the value here dead even.
Sorry to go on such a tyrade here. But people keep saying macs are overpriced and it always drives me nuts because as you can see here. Thats just flat out, not true nor accurate. Pc's if anything are way overpriced. Open your eyes guys. Theres a great value here you can run windows on if you want to and STILL SAVE MONEY for the SAME HARDWARE.
thanks for humoring me on this one, i just thiink you guys dont think things thru when you make uninformed statements like that. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27Holy Flames, Batman!
- lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -32/+46Vista on a Mac?
This is great.....Now Mac users can experience the bloat as well. The world is great! - Indrek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Why would you want to litter Digg with your ignorant and narrow-minded ramblings?
I don't get it... what on Earth possesses these people to post this exact same question in every single article about running Windows on a Mac? Maybe there should be an FAQ section here that includes the answer to that, because that's what it is - a Frequently Asked Question. - Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It comes with a seriously good Mah Jong game.
- s0ny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yeah. Parallels ROCKS, and virtualization for Windows/Linux is perfect 99% of the time when I use it. It doesnt use alot of processor and if you have enough RAM I would say its about 95% the speed of a native windows install.
But direct hardware access is the only thing that suffers in a virtualized enviroment. If you want to play most games or if you need exclusive access to any computer hardware (Personally I dual boot just to run netstumbler because OSX latches onto my USB Wifi card when I plug it in) then just having a native install of windows only taking up 5GB of space is nice to have.
And again. All you people who complain "why the hell would you want to run Windows on a Mac?" Just shut the ***** up already. Its not that I want to run windows, its that I HAVE TO! In OSX, I do everything. Email, Web, video editing, photo manipulation, basically everything I do for personal use is in OSX. Unfortunately, CAD software, Business accounting software, Access database applications, and our POS system are all things that I must use EVERYDAY for work. If I had it my way I would upgrade all those windows products to OSX apps, but there are just still some software categories where windows software is the only viable option.
Im not saying Im running WinXP or Vista on my Mac because I believe its a superior OS, Im running it because on my MacBook Pro, I have the ability to run every single peice of software out there, for OS X, Windows, Linux, Unix, etc... So if the best Accounting software out there only runs on Windows, Id rather run that than simply use a inferior OS X app just because its written for my mac.
Open your damn mind and think about other peoples essential needs for computing, not just the ignorant myopic needs of yourself. - GreenLantern33, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20MBP - Man Bear Pig.
He'll get you. I'm super serial. - chadu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I think virtualization is where it's at unless you want to play games... but can vista play games at the moment?
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Emulation is different from virtualization you 'nub'.
- Indrek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This isn't about running Windows XP on a Mac, which is indeed old news already. This is about running Windows Vista on a Mac. Y'know, Vista, the OS that was just yesterday released as a public beta?
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22Because virtualisation doesn't work anywhere near as well?
- TheMack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This article is completely useless, check out the guide at OSx86 Project for a detailed install guide.
http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14448 - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Both the iMac and MacBook Pro have an ATI Radeon X1600 graphics chip.
- ungamedplayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Rufo and others reading.
Here is how I would do it.
1) backup the partition table with dd (i'd say, dd the first 512 bytes ? dd if=/dev/rdisk# of=/Users/username/mbr-backup.bin bs=512 count=1 ) ( see http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=136 )
2) delete the partition using the built in OS X tools.
3) Install Vista
4) Restore the partition table ( dd if=/Users/username/pmbr-rescue.bin of=/dev/rdisk# bs=512 count=1 )
This will probably work, as I dont have an intel mac near me to test it, be brave, someone give it a go and report back.
I'll probably get modded down for providing actual information on digg.com comments, you dont put *real* information in comments do you ? - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is nice, but I don't want to run OS X and Windows on Apple hardware. I want to be able to build my own machines, as I've always done, to my own specifications and likings -- and then run OS X, Windows, Ubuntu Linux and whatever else I want on that box.
I know that Apple will most likely never open up OS X so that it runs on non-Apple hardware. But nevertheless...that is what I want. OS X is a great OS, and Apple's hardware *looks* outwardly good and has a design aesthetic that I can appreciate -- but under the hood, I want my own choices of hardware, not Apple's. - keithzd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ElectricKetchup
OSX is actually really great for multi tasking. Actually, the Mac OS had a menu bar before windows had a start menu (correct me if I'm wrong people), and it has been there ever since. As far as getting used to it, try it out for one week, after you do, it will be very easy to use.
Oh and as far as being ready to go out of the box, well Macs are the only computers I know of that come out of the box ready for anyone to create a DVD, a new song, a web page, or a photo slide show without installing anything else. - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7(You're not stupid, just either ignorent or shortsighted.)
I said it above for mapster, and I'll say it again for you...
Have you ever done ANY software or web development?
If you expect your software/web-page to be multi-platform or well supported, you need to test it on multiple operating systems to be sure they are supported. - JonGretar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yay.... Vista that comes out in 2007 has more features that Mac Os 10.4 that came out early 2005. No news on how usable these features are.
And 10.5 comes out late this year. And THAT is the version you have to compare to. Gossip on 10.5 can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.5#Speculation - sablazo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Mapping software is THE REASON I haven't switched to Mac - small(ish) analytical software vendors need to get their act together on that, but they're hesitant to support three or four operating systems (i.e., windows, solaris, linux, and OS/X).
As soon as they do that my desktop will switch, but for now only my laptop will be a mac. - ozydingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because sometimes you need to do something quickly in Windows without wanting to reboot. Save a file, open VPC, do what you need to do with the file, close VPC. For my purposes much more convenient.
- Yoshi39, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I think he is refering to a pc as windows
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5OS X has menu on top, because top of the screen is the easiest thing to hit with a mouse. See Fitz's Law.
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No, it isn't (more feature rich, that is).
I've used all three. - rufo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sorry to burst your bubble submitter, but I had Vista running weeks ago.
All you have to do is delete the 200MB EFI partition (the very first one in the Vista installer) and it installs fine. Mac OS X will continue to run, but some future updates (most likely firmware-related) will not install in the future. It is possible to recreate the partition later. - Kirti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What I don't understand is, If you guys don't like Vista, Linux, OSX, whatever other OS - why are you wasting yours and everyone else's time commenting here? If you don't like OSX/Linux/Windows, good for you - keep it to yourself.
If you insist on converting the rest of the world with your 'profound' comments, at least try to include a coherent reason as to why.
- Kirti - babyeatingjesus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't speak for everyone, but to answer "why would you want to run Windows on a Mac?" for me it would be because my work requires the use of both operating systems, so it's cheaper and more convenient to have it all on one box, and in the case of the MBP, all with me when I'm on the go.
If you hate mac then there's no reason to buy a mac to run windows, if that's what you're asking.
But if you're asking why anyone would want to run windows on a mac, then the answer is, for me at least, it's like two thousand dollars cheaper than buying two laptops so I can take my work home with me.
The real question is "why do I have to work at home?" - coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Blurred huh? MacOS X the only one that has 'OS' in its name. Do you find that confusing?
- perryge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4To be fair, Apple's the only one out of the three that sells (well, obviously many Linux distros, like Ubuntu, don't 'sell' anything) both the hardware and the OS - and they're very clear that they only want you to run Mac OS X on a Mac. So whilst it's true that Mac OS X clearly has 'OS' in its name, by having both the computers and the operating system have 'Mac' in their name, Apple is deliberately tying their OS to their hardware. 'Blurring' the lines, so to speak.
- schlongmeister, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'll bet that Vista has a MEAN game of Solitaire...
- kram, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's not Apple's fault that Aussies get a ***** exchange rate againt the U.S. dollar...
- dommickey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7for all the pc games macs dont play and reason why alot of people stand by their pc's
- coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Windows doesn't come with virtual desktops out of the box either. Desktop Manager and Virtue Desktops both work very nicely on OS X, but I find that virtual desktops are mainly useful when the host OS has a crap application layering model, a.k.a. MDI.
- sanza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm digging this especially for the line:
"And please no "why would you want to run Windows on a Mac?" posts. If you aren't intelligent enough to figure out why, then don't bother reading the article."
BRAVO! But still the Linux posts persist... - trongod05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The equations as I see them:
PC Hardware = Mac Hardware
PC Ease of Upgradeability > Mac Ease of Upgradeability
PC Software (Windows) User Friendliness < Mac Software (OSX) User Friendliness
PC (Windows) Viruses and Spyware > Mac (OSX) Viruses and Spyware
PC Sofware (Windows) Cost + Updates < Mac Software (OSX) Cost + Updates
PC Software (Windows) Out of the box features < Mac Software (OSX) Out of the box features
So they both have good and bad. I am getting tired of these Mac commercials of late. Not all of them. I just don't like the ones that claim a Mac is better because of the hardware. To me they are identical except you don't have the freedom of more configurations with the Mac. The one thing that sets them apart now is the SOFTWARE. I am not a Mac fanboy nor have I owned a Mac. But I have tried them out and think Mac has the better, easier to use, solid, virus free, software. And you get more of it out of the box. - NikZane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow. PMS is a real bitch, 'aint it?
- wardboro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, at the top of the comments page on the left side there is a pull-down menu that will let you adjust the settings.
- brainache, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Problem with Mac hardware is not that it's over priced - its good value for what you get (see comment by "christianw" for an example)
The problem with the price of Mac hardware is that apple are really not very good at providing a good selection and price range for the low end of the consumer market.
MacBook is a prime example. If i'm on a tight budget, i'd rather opt out of the built in camera and bluetooth, as well as get a slower chip inside and no Wifi card and knock $200 off the price. Same argument goes for Mac Mini.
Oh, you can get rid of the remote as well, that ought to save a few bucks. Seriously, for what you get Mac hardware is really very well priced, but sometimes i just don't want all the extras, i just want to save a few bucks. - thatsiebguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Games, gps mapping software, usb hardware, windows only apps, VB coding, ease the transition.. I've switched to a mac a while ago, but there are still things I can do faster in Windows.
- christianw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3using dell as a comparison is totally relevant for very obvious reasons. features.
Right off, when comparing the imac, the dell m2010 is the ONLY thing in the world even remotely close to it in form factor and features. for over 2 thousand dollars more mind you. With regard to the mini, the aopen is the only thing even remote close again to the same form factor. When it came to notebooks, you have to think about things like which batteries are being used, processor is a big one as well. there arent a ton of duo centrino's out there sans a few major companies and when you consider packaging and 24 hour a day support, integrated webcam etc.. the laptops i used in my comparisons are literally the only close comparison to what apple is offering on the market today. Now the story might be different with the mac pro, but I didn't want to speculate on fairy tales of products we have no idea of what specs will be included. I wanted to focus on whats real today. This isnt the days of the overpriced Power PC machines. To quote one of Mr. Jobs' personal heroes. "The times they are a changin.." - jragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I need to write an extension that makes a div invisible if it contains the following phrases/words:
"fanboy"
"micro$oft"
"I don't get it, why would you want to run Windows on a Mac?"
"what I really want is to run OS X on my PC"
But then I'm afraid there wouldn't be anything left to read. - Indrek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Obsolete ey? Show me a Mac laptop that has built-in infrared, media card reader, fingerprint reader, modem, PCMCIA slot, and has add-ons like a travel battery and a docking station. Until you do, I'm sticking with my PC laptop, thank you very much.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Im switching to a mac now after an entire lifetime of running windows at home and working, at work, of all places on a mac. Bootcamp and parallels will alllow me to use my copy of windows for when I absolutly need it.. (e.g., EQ2 for me). The new Macbook pros are more than fast enough to run WoW and EQ2.
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you were (say) a web developer then you don't want to have to reboot just to check Windows versions of IE, Firefox, Opera etc. It's much more convenient to run them in an emulated/virtualised session than to have to reboot every time. Emulation suits some situations very well. Dual booting suits other situations very well. Both are valid.
- wardboro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But a certain contingent of Mac users will tell you. "You don't need these things, If it didn't come packaged with a Mac, it must not need it."
I like OS X, but I don't think it's going to replace every other operating system. Additionally, Mac has a niche market and a limited product line. They don't want seem to want to expand into the business market with infrared, media card readers, fingerprint readers, etc. As long as that is the case, a significant part of the population will be using Windows. If you need any of these things, then it would be difficult to choose a Mac.
I don't need a docking station or infrared, but I use a number of programs that are Windows only, and there is no good substitute for them on the Mac platform. Maybe someday I would switch to Mac, but that day isn't today - drw2583, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5At least it has a ***** paint program. That is my major beef with OS X (pretty petty, huh?). Image Preview is nice, but why is there no generic paint program?
- christianw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol @ nickzane's comment
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