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- evilspoons, on 10/12/2007, -6/+97Well we all know black computers are 7-16% faster than non-black ones. It's the Dark Case Colouring (DCC) effect that keeps the computrons in. They never released a (significant number) of black Macs before because the RISC processors are less affected by computron loss in that spectrum. Now that they've got Intel processors, well, it's time for black Macs too!
source for this nonsense: http://www.dansdata.com/black.htm (rather funny read) - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -25/+95They gonna charge substantially more for the black iMac with the same hardware configuration as the white, with 40 GB HDD difference, that can be made up in 25% of the difference like they did with the MacBook?
8 Core, here we go, starting price of Mac Pro is now $3000.
In all seriousness, these products are gonna be cool, and they're gonna kick major ass, but, jesus Apple, let the families be able to get your computers. NO, mac mini doesn't cut it. - RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+64I would like to believe you, but i can not for legal reasons.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+53The mini is a solid little machine, but it is definitely overdue for an update. I'm thinking at least a Core 2 duo, gig of ram, and a newer video chipset. 17" iMacs can be found for a pretty reasonable price though.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -29/+70It's about time they upgrade the Mac Pros.. They've been overcharging for the current hardware for too long (yeah, bury me)
- digggggggggg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40The whole "Apple hardware is overpriced" thing is a more of a myth. Go on Newegg, find the same parts that Apple uses in the Mac Pro, and the price will be comparable, not to mention that Apple's price also includes OS and 1 year warranty.
Moreover, let's not forget that Apple computers still retain their value better than PC's. On Ebay, you can still find single processor G5 towers going for around $600. Who will buy a 3 year old desktop PC for that much? - fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33I agree, the mini needs a face-lift. They need to drop the Intel 950 video and go with a mobile solution from either ATi or nVidia, and most certainly make 1GB of RAM standard in all macs. I know it would have saved me about a grand out of the money I just spent on my new iMac.
Also, can anyone tell me WTF an HDD upgrade in the iMac to 500GB is still $200? It puts the price point at around $270 per drive. Newegg.com has them for $140... - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32hey man i totally understand. i know a guy that can read minds because of an alien abduction but i cant tell you his name for legal reasons.
- knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -11/+40I've never owned a Mac, but "fake brushed grayness" is the same as vista's fake translucent *****
- gibler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Dear Apple,
For the love of God provide a minimum of 1 GB in your mac range..... - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34"It's about time they upgrade the Mac Pros.. They've been overcharging for the current hardware for too long (yeah, bury me)"
With pleasure. You couldn't be more wrong. The Mac Pro is very competitively priced for the level of performance. Go price up a Dell Precision 490 of equal spec - the price difference is so wide you could almost buy a Mac Pro and a Mini for the same price. I bought the absolute base spec Mac Pro at GBP (GB Pounds Sterling) 1459 (I went nuts and added Bliuetooth so I could use a wireless headset). That included a high quality USB keyboard (I like it *a lot* - I dunno about anyone else) and an optical/scroll mouse, unlike Dell. It also included a the OS, and a few Apps that are actually of some use. The equivalent Precision 490 is over GBP 1800, is of inferior build quality (both aesthetically and technically), included Windows Vista (*shudder*) or Red Hat Linux (not so bad), and by default comes with a crappy Keyboard and Mouse.
Becuase it was a large outlay I researched it very carefully, I priced up equivalent systems from Dell, HP and built from parts using a Tyan board and NON came out cheaper. Shut your hole.
The Mac Pro is an Enterprise Workstation class machine - not some pumped up gaming box. It's deigned for performance, stability and low noise. It achieves all those with superb aplomb. I'm not feeling ripped off - and I'm not stuck in the reality distortion field either - I really do think it's an excellent investment if you need that kind of power.
8 Cores will only come in at the top end and the existing top 2 will shuffle down to the current bottom 2 price brackets. They'd be stupid to replace all the machines with 8-core chips - it'd make them too expensive. - brocklese, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29Steve Jobs?
- jm1234567890, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24umm... brushed metal is already gone from most apple interfaces.
http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/leopard/index.html - kyrre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I just ordered a Mac mini, so you can expect a upgrade to that line as well.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19What the hell are you on, that's the weakest FUD I ever heard. Just buy a stick from newegg and pop it in yourself, doesn't void your warranty or anything.
- dougm68, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17GEEK FIGHT!
- macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Jesus would I kill to see a Mac mini with 2.6 GHz Core 2 and Mobility Radeon X1800.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I don't see what's wrong with an mac mini for the family, per se. Dual Core and 2GB ram, the mac mini is affordable and pretty slick...considering little johnny isn't a gaming fiend.
- kazem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14In my lab, many people login to the same machine at once. And the machine, which runs RedHat, delegates our work onto an available processor. So yes, while a single application or process may not easily use multiple processors/cores at the moment, the more processors in a single box the better, as far as my work is concerned. It's not just about playing your games or watching youtube.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14This is the Mac Pro, it's the top of the line... It's for HD video editors and graphics pros with 300 MB photoshop files. It's not in the least way meant to be a 'household' computer
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@emanji
The 'quality' he was talking about is all about aesthetics and ergonomics.
I bought a Mac Pro. For the same money I could have build an awesome PC, but I didn't. Why? The Mac Pro is a superb piece of technical design, and packs a huge punch performance wise, but as well as that it looks amazing (my opinion of course) and is deathly silent and runs very cool. As good as any self-built PC of that money would be it wouldn't have had that much thought poured into it's design and looks. The iMac is the same - a PC of the same price would outperform it but that's not what every person is looking for. Some of us prefer a computer we can almost forget is there, yet when we do take the time to look at it think 'yep that looks nice'. - chongli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@farkmesideways
I got a G5 right before the Mac Pros came out and frankly, I wish I would've waited and gotten a Mac Pro. G5s are SO LOUD they drive me insane. The constant revving up and down of the jet engine fans make the machine useless for any audio work. Mac Pros are much quieter. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16MacScoop??? For all the Apple rumor sites that never manage to get anything right, do we REALLY need another?
I love Apple stuff. I hate Apple rumor-mongering. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Apple could make a 50" black iMac and I could care less."
Liar.
"It's still a crappy all-in-one."
Based on what?
"Apple make some GD headless systems already!"
www.apple.com/macpro
www.apple.com/macmini
They're way ahead of ya.... - Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@geekThing -- Two quad core processors? That's the only thing I can think of.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11And i'm calling black mighty mice now. you heard it here first. Now i'm going to check to see if the domain blackmacscoop.com is available.
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13would you care to point out a better all-in-one than the imac?
- Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"Honestly fake brushed greyness and bright blue everything else?"
Because the crayola colors of XP were so "off da chain".....?
C'mon, Dude. Don't be so shallow. If you don't like the GUI, get ShapeShifter and visit Interfacelift.com once in a while.... - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10That joke really crashed on take-off, didn't it?
- gpw11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That is a very good point. I take it back - 8 cores might not be overkill on the Mac Pro.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Obviously many of us still want to hear the rumors which is why there are so many sites dedicated to them. Most of us realize they will probably never come to fruition but hey 1 out of 100 times we get an iPhone and we celebrate it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Yeah stupid, they're called Colorware. I had my MacBook Pro painted Jet Black by them. For the rest of us: I was going to paint my 24" iMac black using the method described by the digg user who painted his XBOX 360 controller black, but I might wait now. It would be easier to do though than on a G5 iMac because the LCD screen is attached to the base. So you can remove the face of the iMac without much trouble (minus unhooking the iSight).
- webgod61, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9*cough* Sorry, I got a cold. *cough*
Heres the site http://www.colorwarepc.com/ - pong32, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@Fireball74
Buy teh drive you want and install it yourself. It's not that hard, and it's fun, IMO. That's what I do when I feel the upgrade price is too high (especially w/ Apple RAM - total robbery). - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"...including a black 24-inch iMac..."
Not without a black mac keyboard and mighty mouse they're not, I like my hardware color coordinated thank you very much... - sam10685, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@webgod61. you wanna get 'sued?
- ROFLance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The black MacBook is really only $50 more than the white one. Don't get me wrong, $50 is a definitely a chunk of change I'd like to keep, but for a one time fee, it's not really that big of a deal.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The "Apple products are too expensive" whiners are in full force today. None of you have priced Apple machines recently.
I used to think they were expensive myself, but since the switch to Intel if you price hardware from a few online shops (including DIY) you'll find that the MacBooks and iMacs are very sweetly priced, save for ridiculous upgrade costs for memory & sometimes disks.
Mac minis and MacBook Pros are a little on the expensive side, but I argue that things like a remote for Front Row, small form factor, backlit keyboard, and all the other little things you get with Apple hardware make up the difference. You may disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple offers unique machines with a unique OS and lots of people like them better than 90% of the crap products in the computer market that are the same as the machines you or I would build ourselves.
You can't build a DIY machine comparable to an Apple unless you take more time, money, effort, and tools than most of us have to build a box. If you think otherwise I posit that you have either never owned an Apple machine, or never built your own PC.
@slovenian: I have a $300 Lian-Li case for my 2x Opteron workstation here. It's a beautiful case, but It's still not as nice as the Mac Pro case. A nice case doesn't make it like a Mac. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, quite the opposite....
You'll understand when you're older. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5funny you call adding an 8-core processor with a full redesign immaterial.
- darushin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@schoate09
The superdrive is already there standard. I just got the 1.83Ghx mini for the home and it has a superdrive. As for the 1GB ram, get it from Crucial or anywhere but apple. - someirishguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Apple needs a desktop machine somewhere in between the Mini and Pro that's not an all in one iMac.
- skippylippy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Coming from the visual effects industry. The MacPro's are not geared towards families and never will. They are workstations not family computers.
- fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I did a little searching. It turns out that due to FCC regs, any user serviceable part replacement doesn't void the warranty if the user replaces it. Good news! I'll probably grab a tasty 500 or 750GB and throw in there.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8neither the mac pro nor the mini are all-in-one.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@slovenian6474
They do make some impressive cases and enclosures for PC hardware, but I still don't think they are as well designed as the Mac Pro's. Until a PC manufacturer fits slot-in SATA bays and zero-cabling (or at least very well hidden cabling) setups in PC cases then they won't quite make the grade.
@ucg1 "Apple's computers are not overpriced, but they don't offer a mid-level desktop machine that is easily upgradeable and doesn't have a monitor built in"
I agree wholeheartedly - I didn't really actually want something as beastly as the Mac Pro, but as I had no room for another iMac (I have an iMac G4 already) the choice between the Mac Pro and a Mac mini was a total no-brainer. I'd have bought a smaller, lighter single CPU version of the Mac Pro if it had been available, maybe for GBP 999.
@skippylippy "Coming from the visual effects industry. The MacPro's are not geared towards families and never will. They are workstations not family computers."
Yes, that much is true, but they are freely available to the general public if they want one. Although they are not 'geared towards families', because they run the same OS as the rest of the range they are still perfectly usable in that environment, the only thing that limits that is the price.
Apple desperately need a mid-range standalone desktop. All it needs it 2 PCIe x16 slots, 2 SATA bays, 1 optical bay and a Core2 Duo 2.13 or 2.66. I think they'd attract more business from users who want to replace something like a Dell, or HP, and also they'd get more business from business users who want to buy their own periphs. - ampedxc27, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You like your women with 24 inchers!?!?!
- schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yea, if they make superdrives standard, and 1GB Standard, I'll definitely add the $600 mac mini to my collection.
- ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Note: I do think the MacBook is a pretty good low-end/mid-level laptop at a good price point. It probably fits a lot of peoples' needs, too. Not mine, though. I see a Mac Pro in my future.
- flap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If mac comes out with an 8 Core you can bet they will release a new final cut suite that can actually use all 8 cores in an efficient manner. That's the nice thing about hardware companies that also make software.
Also anyone remember when that black imac picture was submitted to digg with a comment like "I was bored check out my black imac photoshop".
haha. -
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