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Apple updates iPhones to 1.1.2
t3.co.uk — The TIFF exploit which could be used to jailbreak and hack the 1.1.1 iPhone has been closed, rendering the latest attempts to jailbreak the phone obsolete.
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- longofest, on 11/05/2007, -40/+161.1.2 hasn't been released yet. Inaccurate
- jasongdx, on 11/05/2007, -4/+44Did you read the article? It's preloaded on UK phones. An update through iTunes will probably come soon enough.
- LeeSoong, on 11/04/2007, -5/+1Are you sure it is not a U.K. update for U.K. phone networks?
- abdul88, on 11/04/2007, -0/+7The iphone in the UK hasn't been released yet by 02.
- peestandingup, on 11/04/2007, -7/+4And has the UK iPhone been released yet??
- padfoot, on 11/04/2007, -3/+12November 9th. RTFA.
- LeeSoong, on 11/04/2007, -5/+1Are you sure it is not a U.K. update for U.K. phone networks?
- iSharQ, on 11/05/2007, -1/+20You are partially correct: 1.1.2 hasn't been released yet. But as you can see from the article, these journalists have had access to 1.1.2 because it was pre-loaded on an UK iPhone which uses the UK o2 network.
- jasongdx, on 11/05/2007, -4/+44Did you read the article? It's preloaded on UK phones. An update through iTunes will probably come soon enough.
- CyberPhoenix, on 11/06/2007, -73/+26Why do people buy phones from a company that abuses them with malware "updates"?
- Roger, on 11/05/2007, -12/+54It fixes an exploit. Whats the problem?
- CyberPhoenix, on 11/05/2007, -37/+12"Updates" that "brick" iPhones and prevent the use of 3rd party software should be considered malware. This is customer abuse and should not be tolerated.
- nfxmedia, on 11/05/2007, -10/+22You honestly believe this is solely Apple's decision? AT&T has already thought of this and I would bet there is a clause in their contract making Apple patch every exploit that would open the phone. Without action from Apple, they are vulnerable to massive lawsuits.
- Nossie, on 11/05/2007, -8/+13You honestly believe this is solely AT&Ts decision? Apple make $18 a month of your contract :P
- nfxmedia, on 11/05/2007, -3/+11I never said it was all AT&T's decision. RTFC.
- bigsteve, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Never assume malice where fear of litigation provides explanation enough :)
- estvir, on 11/05/2007, -24/+22It's never Apple's fault, EVER.
- rebrad, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Apple should be considered infallible.
- noahhoward, on 11/05/2007, -5/+22Wrong, updates that fix any exploit are security updates. What do you think would happen if it was left open and someone figured out, hey, I can grab peoples information through this thing? Do you think "we didn't want to restrict the people who were using the phone for something it wasn't made to do" will hold up during the class action suit?
No company is responsible for preserving uses of their product that it wasn't made for. You update and repair items based on what you released not what someone else may have started using it for. - bitspace, on 11/05/2007, -9/+8Customers who wanted to use a network other than AT&T or wanted to install third-party software should not have purchased the iPhone. It's as simple as that. This was all known well before the device was even available - AT&T only, no third-party apps.
- notadiggtard, on 11/05/2007, -6/+2You probably own a PSP.And try getting on Xbox live with your modded console!
- mcnearcj, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1I get on xbox live with my modded console and memorex copy of halo 3 no problem.
- nfxmedia, on 11/05/2007, -10/+22You honestly believe this is solely Apple's decision? AT&T has already thought of this and I would bet there is a clause in their contract making Apple patch every exploit that would open the phone. Without action from Apple, they are vulnerable to massive lawsuits.
- CyberPhoenix, on 11/05/2007, -37/+12"Updates" that "brick" iPhones and prevent the use of 3rd party software should be considered malware. This is customer abuse and should not be tolerated.
- deadbaby, on 11/05/2007, -15/+34Because approximately 98% of the people who own the device don't care about being able to run PigShooter. If it makes phone calls and plays music they are good to go. You will be constantly unhappy in life if you expect anyone to cater to the fringe 2% -- that's what Linux phones are for. You will find that while they do cater to the 2% they tend to seriously ***** up the 98% part.
- WarezAppz, on 11/05/2007, -15/+4lol, I think you need to research that whole concept you have about 'linux' phones. oh and when you do . . . "Welcome to the 21st Century!"
*shakes head*- bigsteve, on 11/07/2007, -3/+11I think deadbaby's referring to the Openmoko and (RIP) Greenphone, not the Moto Razr2 and the like that natively run Linux as a means to speed development for a multi-feature (and still locked down, poorly designed) phone with no power-user support. Now if say, Palm put together a Linux package with some developer community support for say, it's Treo platform, then we might have something. Maybe.
"Welcome to the 21st Century."- WarezAppz, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1Yes, but giving out bull ***** figures does not further his cause or lend him any credibility either . . . .
- WarezAppz, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1Yes, but giving out bull ***** figures does not further his cause or lend him any credibility either . . . .
- robwowjo, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1oh come on guys, it's just such a small os that linux will take a while to really take off in phones..or pcs
- bigsteve, on 11/07/2007, -3/+11I think deadbaby's referring to the Openmoko and (RIP) Greenphone, not the Moto Razr2 and the like that natively run Linux as a means to speed development for a multi-feature (and still locked down, poorly designed) phone with no power-user support. Now if say, Palm put together a Linux package with some developer community support for say, it's Treo platform, then we might have something. Maybe.
- eschompthis, on 11/05/2007, -3/+2well because the iphone is amazingly lame without apptapp. Its a shame
- WarezAppz, on 11/05/2007, -15/+4lol, I think you need to research that whole concept you have about 'linux' phones. oh and when you do . . . "Welcome to the 21st Century!"
- zongamin, on 11/04/2007, -7/+17so you'd rather they left this exploit open? I can't believe you've said this.
- Nossie, on 11/05/2007, -12/+1yes I would... for the same reason as I wish they'd left the tiff exploit open on the PSP....
same game, different company.- notadiggtard, on 11/04/2007, -0/+9Then don't update!!!!!
- Nossie, on 11/05/2007, -4/+1lol I dont have to... I never bought one :P
- notadiggtard, on 11/04/2007, -0/+9Then don't update!!!!!
- Swift2, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13The PSP isn't a phone.
- Nossie, on 11/06/2007, -5/+1and your point?
- bigsteve, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I'd rather the packaged binaries didn't run as ***** root. That's what I'd rather. That'd render this bug a safari-crasher, and nothing more. Still a fan of the thing, but that's just another clue found in the internals that speaks to how rushed this thing was. The big update will undoubtably come in Feb. when the SDK hits.
- starkruzr, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Perhaps you missed this, but jailbreakme.com's TIFF-exploit jailbreak actually *fixes* the TIFF exploit.
In other words, weeks later Apple is finally catching up to the independent developers. - Rekzai, on 11/06/2007, -2/+1LOL @ I can't believe you've said this
- Nossie, on 11/05/2007, -12/+1yes I would... for the same reason as I wish they'd left the tiff exploit open on the PSP....
- dn11, on 11/04/2007, -24/+7Apple fans like their lives to be managed and controlled from on high, this is nothing new
- cfulp, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3Then why did they jailbreak their iphone then?
- ghall, on 11/05/2007, -3/+5FYI, I'm an Apple fan and I hacked 3rd party apps onto my iPhone.
- luchid, on 11/04/2007, -4/+14I'll just repeat what I posted below:
"You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Jailbraking NEVER bricked phones, neither has doing it rendered any phone unupgradeable. Only UNLOCKING with the previous version of Anysim (1.0.2) caused that, and it was because it corrupted the baseband. It was a very untidy, hacked-together way of unlocking it that screwed tons of phones. Thankfully the devteam released a virginizer that can undo the damage made by Anysim 1.0.2 and updated Anysim to 1.1.1 which unlocks the iPhone in a much cleaner, safer manner."
Apple was basically telling that their unlocking mechanism wasn't safe enough when they warned them about the 1.1.1 upgrade. Since the firmare upgrade updated the baseband it wouldnt complete with a baseband that had checksum and integrity errors cause by the previous unlocking.
Time will tell if Apple is really trying to brick unlocked phones when 1.1.2 arrives and phones unlocked with Anysim 1.1.1 are upgraded to it. - firstpost, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Ever heard of the WGA check "update" on Windows?
- Roger, on 11/05/2007, -12/+54It fixes an exploit. Whats the problem?
- OneManArmy, on 11/07/2007, -3/+75"rendering the latest attempts to jailbreak the phone obsolete"
This is not accurate. jailbreakme was only a slick way to jailbreak using the TIFF exploit. This is not the only way, and it is not the way used by iNdepedence for example.- cheney08, on 11/07/2007, -47/+1They'll get you illegal crackers in the end. Stop trying to hack stuff and abide by the damn EULA. It's like you people are allergic to the rule of law or something.
- AndrewWiggin, on 11/04/2007, -0/+15It's not the law, it's the warranty that we are voiding. Meh! No electronic device of mine has ever broken randomly within the first year anyway.
- AnthonyA7, on 11/06/2007, -1/+19Since when are they breaking the law? Also, I'm not advocating murder or anything here, but it's good not to be a sheep.
- Bamborzled, on 11/06/2007, -0/+17Considering his username, the guy's a troll. Just block him.
- SillyKary, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4I didn't sign, agree to, or even see any EULA when I bought, opened and unlocked my iPhone. What law are you referring to? What makes my action illegal? Just because his Steveness preferred me to do otherwise, does that make it a law?
- RevJonathan, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1You broke no law or contract. Someone may try to tell you you agree to an AT&T contract on the side of the box, but all it says is that an AT&T contract is required for use, which is clearly mistaken, as my T-Mobile SIM works just fine.
- cheney08, on 11/07/2007, -47/+1They'll get you illegal crackers in the end. Stop trying to hack stuff and abide by the damn EULA. It's like you people are allergic to the rule of law or something.
- Adrianc333, on 11/05/2007, -28/+68OH *****!
I can't wait to Digg the "iPhone 1.1.2.1.2 Released - Packaging Pictures"
It's the same *****, but a different number, well worth the Digg's!- iSharQ, on 11/05/2007, -8/+19The 1.1.2.1.2. would have been a software update, so you're talking about 'packaging pictures' of an ethernet cable, or perhaps of thin air (in case of wi-fi). That'd be quite hillarious, actually.
- Adrianc333, on 11/05/2007, -7/+10Obviously, when the new phones are shipped (in boxes), the Software Update will be pre-installed on iPhones.
Hence, "It's the same *****, but a different number" - MarkOfTheDead, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Sounds like an Onion headline.
- Adrianc333, on 11/05/2007, -7/+10Obviously, when the new phones are shipped (in boxes), the Software Update will be pre-installed on iPhones.
- Ammo, on 11/05/2007, -4/+5Sounds like somebody wishes they had an iPhone....
- snarkleclackers, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1iPhone 1.1.2.1.2 Released - Packing Pictures:
http://download41.mediafire.com/ekkm7a9yni0g/ag9ct ...
- iSharQ, on 11/05/2007, -8/+19The 1.1.2.1.2. would have been a software update, so you're talking about 'packaging pictures' of an ethernet cable, or perhaps of thin air (in case of wi-fi). That'd be quite hillarious, actually.
- aajjcckk, on 11/05/2007, -60/+33Meanwhile tens of millions of Nokia N95 users continue to enjoy the same vastly more powerful handset, open operating system, freedom to install what they like, AND continuous firmware updates from Nokia that simply make the phone better, not break it in any way. Oh yeah, no multi touch interface right? Well, if that's your bag, it's coming early next year too - all the above, plus full front face multitouch. Should I mention Nokia sells more phones in a day than all iPhones sold so far?
- selectodude, on 11/04/2007, -18/+8More like 4 million...but what are many millions between fanboys, eh?
- betasp, on 11/04/2007, -12/+3You also get vastly more expensive handset when not subsidized my a carrier. In the end, you get what you pay for...
- kidmac, on 11/04/2007, -16/+5If Nokia is so great then why are you reading iPhone posts??? idiot!
- jads, on 11/04/2007, -13/+10"Should I mention Nokia sells more phones in a day than all iPhones sold so far?"
That's true, as nokia has at least 20 current models, ranging from the N95 down to the 1112. Apple has one phone model - the iPhone. Idiot. - noahhoward, on 11/05/2007, -4/+23Apples updates aren't breaking their phones. If they break third party software it is not their problem. Firefox' latest update broke the Aardvark Extension, does that mean they broke their own browser or they are trying to stop web designers from fixing display bugs? No.
This is a very good example of why third party software wasn't allowed in the first place. As soon as an update for the regular phone software comes out and someones app breaks the blame goes straight to Apple.- sirhomer, on 11/05/2007, -7/+5Windows Mobile, Symbian, Linux Embedded doesn't seem to share the same problems as the iPhone has with supporting 1960s standards of separation between OS and applications.
- luchid, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7Read my previous comment:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Jailbraking NEVER bricked phones, neither has doing it rendered any phone unupgradeable. Only UNLOCKING with the previous version of Anysim (1.0.2) caused that, and it was because it corrupted the baseband. It was a very untidy, hacked-together way of unlocking it that screwed tons of phones. Thankfully the devteam released a virginizer that can undo the damage made by Anysim 1.0.2 and updated Anysim to 1.1.1 which unlocks the iPhone in a much cleaner, safer manner.
- luchid, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7Read my previous comment:
- Chazx, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1Your analogy is flawed. A more suitable one would be if Firefox's latest update broke every single third party plugin, would that mean they 'broke' their own browser? I would say so.
- undetected, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The difference would be that Firefox encouraged plugin development, so they should support them. Apple told everyone 3rd party apps should be made via web apps, and Apple didn't break those.
- sirhomer, on 11/05/2007, -7/+5Windows Mobile, Symbian, Linux Embedded doesn't seem to share the same problems as the iPhone has with supporting 1960s standards of separation between OS and applications.
- sirhomer, on 11/04/2007, -16/+12Wow look at all the Applebots digging you down for speaking the truth.
- lookoutforchris, on 11/05/2007, -1/+16So you consider fixing the TIFF exploit which is a security problem, and which Jailbreakme.com itself patches after it uses the exploit to install .... is breaking the phone? Also, Apple is opening the iPhone up to 3rd party devs in February. Are any of your comments valid?
- notadiggtard, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4I'm very happy they enjoy their phones.Too bad you feel I shouldn't enjoy mine.
- starkruzr, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1I thought Symbian was all-signed application binaries now. That doesn't sound terribly "open" to me.
- DOGPARTY, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2iphone is a hell of alot more powerful than the n95
- sirhomer, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Not really.
- LeeSoong, on 11/05/2007, -6/+100Now can they fix the AT & T Exploit, which seems to costs users way too much money.
Pay per minute plans for $ 4 a month would be better.- mrmacky, on 11/04/2007, -3/+7No, if they try to fix that one, they may bring down the entire west coast network
- noahhoward, on 11/04/2007, -2/+12You'll never fix that exploit.. people have tried and all have disappeared.
- cheney08, on 11/06/2007, -9/+4AT&T got extorted by Apple. They have to try to recoup the ridiculous fees they paid to Apple in order to be the carrier. It's their own fault for paying usurious rates, and it's your own fault for helping them make that money back. Thanks Apple for screwing your customers! Now the rest of us with half a brain have to read spam iPhone articles all over the internet from dumb geeks that got scammed.
- noahhoward, on 11/05/2007, -4/+6Right because we all know they held AT&T at gunpoint and said "you have to carry our phone and pay us this money". Idiot.
- Daniel591992, on 11/06/2007, -10/+40Anyone else have an iPod touch that stops playing music when multitasking in Safari? Can an update fix that, or should I send it to Apple?
- phogasmic, on 11/04/2007, -1/+8I have that same problem with mine, Its the most irritating thins about the iphone for me.
- doitchinkstyle, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1well I guess same goes with the iPhone....when I multitasking it just doesn't do anything and I am forced to restart. But hey its unlocked and I am runnng crap load of third party aps so I shouldn't compai
- FunkyChicken, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Did you type that on your iPhone? :)
- AtomB, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4Whats more annoying then that is when it crashes it resets my play list data.
- championchap, on 11/04/2007, -20/+4Yeah, this is why I won't be hacking my iPhone when it arrives.
Having it play NES games isn't worth (maybe) bricking it and not being able to update it. Not to me at least.- luchid, on 11/05/2007, -2/+7You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Jailbraking NEVER bricked phones, neither has doing it rendered any phone unupgradeable. Only UNLOCKING with the previous version of Anysim (1.0.2) caused that, and it was because it corrupted the baseband. It was a very untidy, hacked-together way of unlocking it that screwed tons of phones. Thankfully the devteam released a virginizer that can undo the damage made by Anysim 1.0.2 and updated Anysim to 1.1.1 which unlocks the iPhone in a much cleaner, safer manner.- championchap, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1I actually meant more along the lines of Apple "bricking" the iPhones with the updates.
I seem to remember a few stories and even videos on digg about that around the time of the last update.
- championchap, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1I actually meant more along the lines of Apple "bricking" the iPhones with the updates.
- starkruzr, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3This update doesn't change anything other than rendering jailbreakme.com obsolete.
a) Jailbreaking cannot brick your phone
b) Jailbreaking via the downgrade-upgrade method still works
- luchid, on 11/05/2007, -2/+7You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
- doctorweird, on 11/05/2007, -21/+16Apple is a open company......my ass!
- Radan, on 11/05/2007, -4/+10Wait, you are complaining about them releasing an update which among many other things fixes a very serious BUG which lets hackers take full controll over the phone simply by making the user open a specific web page? Yeah, seriously, bad Apple....
- zeeky, on 11/05/2007, -10/+2you must be confused. this 'bug' is what lets us run 3rd party apps on our iphones and ipod touches. this is'nt a bug, its a feature. once you jailbreak, you can patch the system so that the tiff exploit cannot be used. the patch takes 2 taps to install.
- bigsteve, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Nope, buffer overflow and remote arbitrary code execution exploit. I realize it's easy to patch thanks to the efforts of the devteam, but still a bug that I'm happy is now fixed for the huge percentage of iPhone users who don't take part in any sort of hacking that this might have affected adversely.
Think globally.
- bigsteve, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Nope, buffer overflow and remote arbitrary code execution exploit. I realize it's easy to patch thanks to the efforts of the devteam, but still a bug that I'm happy is now fixed for the huge percentage of iPhone users who don't take part in any sort of hacking that this might have affected adversely.
- zeeky, on 11/05/2007, -10/+2you must be confused. this 'bug' is what lets us run 3rd party apps on our iphones and ipod touches. this is'nt a bug, its a feature. once you jailbreak, you can patch the system so that the tiff exploit cannot be used. the patch takes 2 taps to install.
- Radan, on 11/05/2007, -4/+10Wait, you are complaining about them releasing an update which among many other things fixes a very serious BUG which lets hackers take full controll over the phone simply by making the user open a specific web page? Yeah, seriously, bad Apple....
- vanguardanon, on 11/06/2007, -15/+22Every time I see an apple update I look to see if it has the same outlook integration that palm has had since 2002. Don't get me wrong, I don't like my treo 650 but I can't actually ditch it before iPhone does the job I need it to do. Without integration to the most common business email/scheduling platform what the heck am I supposed to do with it aside from music and calls? Isn't it a smartphone?
- bigsteve, on 11/06/2007, -3/+8Not sure why you're getting dugg down. I have an iPhone, and love it. And a work-issue Treo, and I hate it. But until I can properly sync with all features of Exchange, and have my notes, calendar and to-do list populated, it simply won't be an option for me. And to think of all the business sales Apple would make.... (..and don't give me that stuff about "Just enable IMAP on your Exchange server." Not an option, and if I have to explain why, well, I just shouldn't.)
It unfortunately will be a cold day in hell before Apple licenses ActiveSync from Microsoft, and until that cold day, it'll be iPhone in one pocket, and a Treo in the other.- Enuratique, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0What about the other way around. I'm probably being too optimistic here but with the SDK being released in February, Microsoft could potentially release an Outlook gadget for the iPhone. Of course, they'd prefer you use their Windows Mobile offerings but I think they've gotten burned once or twice in the past by deliberately ignoring a hot item (even if it was somewhat of a competitor). All it would take then is a blessing from Apple to let them access the SDK, but they'd be retarded not to.
- bigsteve, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Sorry, you are being too optimistic. MS wouldn't give away for free (or even a nominal fee) the only feature keeping so many around on their awful platform. It's why I have a work PC laptop and a Macbook, and a work phone and an iPhone. It's MS' secret plot to make me carry four god damn power bricks everyplace I go.
- Enuratique, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0What about the other way around. I'm probably being too optimistic here but with the SDK being released in February, Microsoft could potentially release an Outlook gadget for the iPhone. Of course, they'd prefer you use their Windows Mobile offerings but I think they've gotten burned once or twice in the past by deliberately ignoring a hot item (even if it was somewhat of a competitor). All it would take then is a blessing from Apple to let them access the SDK, but they'd be retarded not to.
- starkruzr, on 11/06/2007, -3/+3Why are you getting dugg down for this?
Dugg up for truth.
- bigsteve, on 11/06/2007, -3/+8Not sure why you're getting dugg down. I have an iPhone, and love it. And a work-issue Treo, and I hate it. But until I can properly sync with all features of Exchange, and have my notes, calendar and to-do list populated, it simply won't be an option for me. And to think of all the business sales Apple would make.... (..and don't give me that stuff about "Just enable IMAP on your Exchange server." Not an option, and if I have to explain why, well, I just shouldn't.)
- moofdaddy, on 11/05/2007, -29/+20I must be missing something in this whole unlock the iphone argument because I really don't understand all the outrage. Why do people feel that they are entitled to unlock their iphone and use it on other carriers? Apple and Cingular made an agreement, one that was pretty obvious to anyone out there thinking of purchasing one, the iphone would be used on the cingular network and the cingular network only.
Why is this so outrageous? It seems pretty damn standard practice in the cell phone industry. If you don't like cingular, don't get an iphone, its as simple as that. Apple doesn't owe you an iphone, they don't owe you the ability to unlock it. It is there product which they spent the time developing and now it is there choice where it gets to be used. You can argue its good business, bad business, whatever, but it is still their business.- omgwthlol, on 11/05/2007, -8/+3Can't edit that comment. It doesn't exist! wtf
- matttaylor314, on 11/05/2007, -2/+11I think someone could argue that we *do* have the right, based on the exception to the DMCA that was added exclusively to allow the unlocking of cellular phones
- bitspace, on 11/04/2007, -7/+3Then why the ***** did you buy the device in the first place? So you could have something to bitch about? The consumer has had choice right from the start. If you don't like the way Apple and AT&T are running the show, don't buy the device.
- dbbblondon, on 11/04/2007, -2/+12Simple - the phones arn't subsidised by the carrier so why should someone who buys it have to use their expensive contract...if the phones were freee then i'd have no problem paying £35 a month for a contract but they arnt - I bought 2 iphones from the US a month ago, they cost a total of £500 for the two including shipping, VAT and a few bagles for my friends in the US who sent them over....they were bought from an Apple store legitimately off contract clearly Apple didn't sell them to me at a loss. So why do you think that paying £269 plus a mad £35-£50 per month is reasonable and standard practice?
- detayls, on 11/04/2007, -6/+2Hold on a moment. If you signed up for AT&T when you activated your iPhone, the lock to AT&T was spelled out clearly. If you agreed and then activated, the contract is valid. In return for your agreement you are being provided with service by AT&T.
It really is that simple. All the howling and huffing is just that: howling and huffing.- dbbblondon, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3never signed up to AT&T, never will, as i said Apples sold it to me willingly without a contract in the US, in tthe UK people have no choice but to take a contract AND pay more than people pay in the US
- phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Does the end user agreement with AT&T actually mention cell-phone locking?
- detayls, on 11/04/2007, -6/+2Hold on a moment. If you signed up for AT&T when you activated your iPhone, the lock to AT&T was spelled out clearly. If you agreed and then activated, the contract is valid. In return for your agreement you are being provided with service by AT&T.
- RandomGuySteve, on 11/04/2007, -2/+6Outrage changes "standard practice" to "unprofitable practice".. When people have contempt for a company's actions, they go out of their way to make sure they "hurt" them. Part of the reason I post in all the crappy Apple stories that infest my RSS feed. Your attitude is the reason why so many people let these companies fleece us for all of our quickly depreciating money, and the more people start "getting outraged", the louder our voices get, and the more important our opinion becomes.
- bitspace, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3The only "outrage" that can possibly hurt the company in question is the fiscal one: don't buy the product. It's very silly to become an activist about market choices. This is not a government inflicting unjust laws on its people. It's a company selling a product. If you don't like it, don't purchase it.
- starkruzr, on 11/04/2007, -0/+0Your method of addressing the problem solves nothing. Apple would just assume the iPhone was a non-starter and drop the product. This is not what anyone wants.
- notadiggtard, on 11/04/2007, -1/+0Well it seems to be working!Glad I sold my Apple stock at $50 last year!Loser!
- bitspace, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3The only "outrage" that can possibly hurt the company in question is the fiscal one: don't buy the product. It's very silly to become an activist about market choices. This is not a government inflicting unjust laws on its people. It's a company selling a product. If you don't like it, don't purchase it.
- phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10Because cellular providers shouldn't have to lock the phone to their service. The 2 year contract and hefty termination fees should be enough. All locking the phones serves to accomplish is try and lock customers to your service, even after the contract has ended. This is anti-competitive.
This isn't a new issue with the iPhone; people have been fighting to have phones unlocked for years. It's only the heavy publicity of the iPhone that is giving this issue so much visibility. That, and people were expecting the iPhone to revolutionize the cellular industry in the same way the iPod is revolutionizing the music industry. Instead, the iPhone is only reinforcing the current power structure of the cellular industry.- dbbblondon, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2I agree with you on the second point, the iPhone could be a lot more successful than it is if it were not for the support for the old outdated model of linking the provider to the handset, this may have worked in the past when people just took what they were given but it's trivial now to find the information you need to break this phone's lock and beat the system.
- betovarg, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5It MY phone, it was ME who bought it, I'm NOT renting the phone. I can do whatever I want with it, and it is not my problem what contracts they do with which phone carrier. Its my right, I bought that damn thing... that's why I'm entitled the unlock the mofo.
- notadiggtard, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1And you are entitled to never update your firmware!Enjoy!
- pyrates, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Is he still on 1.0.2? Nope. A way around that was found and he was able to update to 1.1.1. Never say never apple fan boy. I love my unlocked iPhone. And all I need to do is wait for the iphone dev team to figure out how to update to the latest firmware safely. Not as big a deal as you make it out to be.
- notadiggtard, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1And you are entitled to never update your firmware!Enjoy!
- mRIpX, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1"Apple and Cingular"
also guys, go crying about it being locked to one carrier to your dog
- omgwthlol, on 11/04/2007, -7/+1*****
- FoxOrian, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1y..yeah!
- UncleCrapper, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Looks like someone got the patch early.
- UncleCrapper, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Looks like someone got the patch early.
- kravex, on 11/04/2007, -25/+14The fanboys will still love the update, even though it screws them.
- wush, on 11/04/2007, -9/+13an opportunity to use the term fanboy doesn't warrant posting a comment
- luchid, on 11/04/2007, -6/+5Ughhh I'll have to paste my response here, too, since aparently you have no idea what you're talking about.:
Jailbraking NEVER bricked phones, neither has doing it rendered any phone unupgradeable. Only UNLOCKING with the previous version of Anysim (1.0.2) caused that, and it was because it corrupted the baseband. It was a very untidy, hacked-together way of unlocking it that screwed tons of phones. Thankfully the devteam released a virginizer that can undo the damage made by Anysim 1.0.2 and updated Anysim to 1.1.1 which unlocks the iPhone in a much cleaner, safer manner. - kravex, on 11/05/2007, -3/+4LOL thanks for proving my point ;-)
- galore, on 11/06/2007, -4/+63The phone hackers should not explain the exploit the next time. Let Apple reverse engineer the hack to find out what was exploited for a change.
- Zero2aHero, on 11/05/2007, -1/+29In this instance it made the hackers look quite good though. In telling what the hack was, which was a general security hole, they also said that after they jailbroke the system they patched up the exploit so others couldn't do harm with it. Makes Apple look extra bad.
- notadiggtard, on 11/05/2007, -6/+1I'm pretty sure that would take about a day.If that long.
- AndrewWiggin, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9I think the reason they explain the exploit is part of the open source philosophy. If they didn't explain how it works and give the code to prove it, it wouldn't be open source. I do understand where you are coming from though, I thought the same thing originally.
- CLShortFuse, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5That's what they're doing with the xbox360 hacking commmunity. They're not longer releasing what their full methods are for the dvd firmware hacking to the general public.
- REBELinBLUE, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Do you not think Apple would have been able to figure it out when the first step of the process is to go to a URL that loads a tiff image that causes Safari to crash?
- Swift2, on 11/05/2007, -17/+45Now that they've announced the SDK, it's pretty clear now. Anything that runs from a malformed TIFF causing a buffer overflow is a security hole, and MUST be closed. Sorry if it screws up people's 3rd party apps, but "to live outside the law, you must be honest." DON'T INSTALL THE PATCH, but don't come crying to Apple if that leaves you vulnerable to a bad guy using this exploit to put something you don't want on the phone. Or, you can wait for the SDK and sales, I bet, through iTunes.
- elipabst, on 11/05/2007, -12/+9Real question is how long would it take Apple to patch these exploits if people weren't using them to unlock their phone. Somehow I doubt they'd be in such a hurry.
- bitspace, on 11/05/2007, -5/+9It's silly to speculate and guess, particularly when Apple are generally very quick about providing security updates for the rest of their products.
- carmat06, on 11/06/2007, -0/+20Your kidding right? The hackers patched this exploit over a week ago.
- 5hocker, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9Wow. a very uninformed comment - yes the hackers had a fix for this very dangerous (but helpful!) exploit. Nobody is going to cry to Apple. Their vulnerability has been fixed for a week. Yours(Apple's) is still wide open as I write this.
- dotorg, on 11/06/2007, -1/+0Ironically, the common hacks actually patched the flaw anyway -- once they were done.
The question, however, is can you downrev the software, hack (which patches the TIFF vulnerability anyway) and does the hack survive 1.1.2?
- elipabst, on 11/05/2007, -12/+9Real question is how long would it take Apple to patch these exploits if people weren't using them to unlock their phone. Somehow I doubt they'd be in such a hurry.
- wush, on 11/07/2007, -5/+34damned if they do and damned if they don't. it's a security hole - not just an entry point for "good hacking"
- starkruzr, on 11/05/2007, -5/+5The "good hacking" closed the security hole.
- RevJonathan, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2The security hole never should have been there in the first place. I like the phone, but not enough to excuse a TIFF exploit.
- sirhomer, on 11/04/2007, -28/+13I'd wager that if Apple releases new update that randomly kills a member of your family, there will still be a bunch of fanboys that will be backing it as an "essential firmware upgrade". ***** crApple. ***** the iPhone.
- elitemrp, on 11/04/2007, -10/+2Good thing I upgraded to 1.1.1 2 days ago
- dcharti, on 11/06/2007, -7/+45Buried for completely misleading title. These iPhones have not been released to the UK, nor has this software update been released to the public.
- astewardson, on 11/05/2007, -3/+4has anyone noticed that on the UK video demos on apples website, the calling screen is different. It no longer has a full screen contact picture (its in the top right corner) and the callers name and duration is aligned to the left as opposed to the middle!
- r3zonance, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1And when they are released, they'll all be on this new firmware.
- sholt, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1If the contact photo is assigned on the iPhone, it gets a full screen image. If it's assigned in AddressBook.app on the Mac, it gets the corner icon.
- bobbothegrayson, on 11/04/2007, -0/+8Are they updating the ipod touches too?
- louiemantia, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4The iPod touch and iPhone run the exact same system software. So yes.
- 4ZERO1, on 11/06/2007, -1/+16Firmware 1.02 still works fine for me!
- zeeky, on 11/06/2007, -1/+11why not upgrade to 1.1.1 before they put 1.1.2 on itunes?
- dontaskagain, on 11/06/2007, -0/+21.1.1 is still widely available and upgrading through itunes can be done by shift clicking the update button and selecting your .ispw firmware.
- luchid, on 11/06/2007, -0/+17You should really try 1.1.1. I have it, unlocked and it's leaps and bounds better than 1.0.2 IMO. Much more stable, faster, the added space bar double tap and home button functionality alone are worth the upgrade.
- starkruzr, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3Upgrade to 1.1.1 and jailbreak with jailbreakme.com before we have to find out whether or not it's still possible to do a DFU to 1.1.1. You'll fix the TIFF exploit and have all the applications you could want.
- zeeky, on 11/06/2007, -1/+11why not upgrade to 1.1.1 before they put 1.1.2 on itunes?
- thailand1972, on 11/05/2007, -14/+9Is it just me......bored.....iPhone........Digg......getting repetitive......
- springo, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7No, it's just you.
- proton, on 11/06/2007, -4/+2No, it's not really.
- springo, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7No, it's just you.
- DarkDx, on 11/04/2007, -10/+4And people were burying me...
http://digg.com/apple/Jailbreak_hackers_FIX_iPhone ...
I knew this was going to happen.- psylence, on 11/04/2007, -3/+12You predicted Apple would fix a security hole in their product? We should call you Nostradamus!
- damnyooneek, on 11/04/2007, -8/+1inaccurate its still on 1.1.1
- astrosmash, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9I almost bought an iPod touch this weekend (even though my trusty 4G iPod serves me fine).
But I'll wait until this whole 3rd party app thing gets sorted out first. - tadunne, on 11/05/2007, -1/+10hopefully 1.1.2 works on the Touch too and they have sneaked in the ability to Edit/Add calendar entries..
- MrViklund, on 11/05/2007, -11/+6Good. Very good by Apple to address this hacking.
- eadnams, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The hackers fixed this hole last week.
- derekknight, on 11/05/2007, -2/+10The mouse is winning.
- smackit, on 11/04/2007, -9/+2Just made this, Might be of interest to Leopard users
http://digg.com/software/Improved_SPACES_for_OSX_L ... - GunOfTheMartyr, on 11/06/2007, -8/+2Buried for useless update spam.
- anchorman, on 11/05/2007, -2/+12And the cat passes the mouse.... they're heading around the bend.... and.... OHH and LOOK!!!! Here comes the mouse again... he's gaining... he's gaining!!!
- Lionhart, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7It's like Sony and the PSP all over again and 100 fold.
- dlsspy, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Nah. The iPhone is at least generally useful to consumers.
I sold my PSP a long time ago because all that I could really do with it was buy proprietary memory so I could display my own encoded videos at a lower resolution than their videos, buy movies I could only play on it, or buy a couple of games that didn't quite work as well (it didn't have enough buttons for a lot of games, and it wasn't able to keep up with THPS). - TechCF, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The PSP is very useful. I can stream videos from my Linux server on it (PS3 doing the transcoding in the middle) from everywhere. And it is a nice remote control for my PS3.
I have the old one, patched up with homebrew firmwares. I agree the iPhone is of much more use to normal people, but it too need unlocking. And it is the PSP race all over again.
- dlsspy, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Nah. The iPhone is at least generally useful to consumers.
- trylleklovn, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3The change in this update that caught my attention was the support for other languages!
I'm fairly sure (also based on some leaks from people working stores and phone providers) that we will be seeing the iPhone in more countries very soon. - kkiran, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Misleading info. Break the news when it is released for prime time buddy!
- digitallysick, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5Hackers found this, and fixed it before apple did, app installer FTW
- pyrates, on 11/05/2007, -2/+8Idiot submitter. It's not available on iTunes yet, so Apple did NOT update iPhones to 1.1.2. Inaccurate BS headline.
- bsonline, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2Forget reading the article, do a little research....
The hackers aren't complaining. This would only break 1 thing, the website exploit. The programs don't use this exploit. Also, the hackers patched this exploit forever ago (a few days after they used it). So if you have a 1.1.1 iPhone, you can go to jailbreakme.com and when it's done, you have an iPhone 1.1.2 with 3rd party apps available for install directly through apptapp - the on device repository/installer.
So, Apple basically took over a week to play catch up and still leave you with an inferior product.
I'm sure Woz is so proud.- arcsbite, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2there is no evidence that this update won't close the doors that apptapp/iNDependence use also
that's what happened in 1.0.2 > 1.1.1 update and I would expect this to avoid the unlock getting out so fast in Europe
- arcsbite, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2there is no evidence that this update won't close the doors that apptapp/iNDependence use also
- CaseyTokyo, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3The question is what will they offer us to force the upgrade.
I won't upgrade if they won't give me something big like wireless syncing.- eadnams, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Thats the best way to get people not to hack their phones... make it worthwhile to stay 'in the family'
- DOGPARTY, on 11/04/2007, -8/+1STOP CALLING THE THE "JESUS PHONE" IT SOUNDS SO ***** STUPID
***** wannabe journalist bloggers - woodsk7, on 11/05/2007, -2/+7Why this topic gets to many diggs... What is happening to digg....Someone wanna help digg a useful iPhone story:
http://www.iradioapp.com- Qumahlin, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4wow, thanks for the site, that really is awesome!
- trunkster, on 11/06/2007, -2/+1Apple fixed the security hole? How dare they.
Even if this stops a way for 3rd party exploits, it may not stop all the ways. Apple really needed to fix this security hole anyway. But if you have a hacked iPhone, just install the TIFF exploit patch and don't worry about upgrading to 1.1.2.- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Yeah..they fixed it a week late.
- cruzer2727, on 11/06/2007, -2/+4my iphone started freezing all the time on me at least 4 to 5 times a day, so i got one of the mac geniuses to return it for me, and my replacement has never frozen on me. i know there are a lot of people who have faulty phones, so go replace them, you have 1 year warranty. Just trying to help others who might have shared the same problem.
- bingobongony, on 11/07/2007, -3/+5IT's a CASHIER!
Do you not realize how ***** pathetic you sound by calling them geniuses?- fufuku, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Isn't that their job title? It's not his fault they were given a stupid name.
- bingobongony, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2So...you don't have to go along with it when talking about them. Do you call Walmart employees "associates"?
- cruzer2727, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Apparently bingo has never been to an Apple store before. There are cashiers and then there are Mac Geniuses.
- fufuku, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Isn't that their job title? It's not his fault they were given a stupid name.
- bingobongony, on 11/07/2007, -3/+5IT's a CASHIER!
- getatmedigg, on 11/04/2007, -6/+1666 diggs!
- postalblowfish7, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2don't update if you've hacked your phone.
- schavira, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2As long as iToner still works I can hold it off until February.
- mpeters13, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3At which point can we collective let out a big "duh...." and move on?
- Almadiel, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Apple will have to add lots of new features if they want to compell current owners to upgrade. And it isn't like the PSP, because there are no games requiring up to date firmware to play on. Nothing that forces us to upgrade. If they make new versions of iTunes incompatable with 1.1.1, then we can just not update iTunes. No big deal.
- dimplemonkey, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1There is no update from Apple (yet), the new iPhones in UK will have the update already installed. Did anyone not read the story? Another Apple fanboy trying to get in front of the line for breaking stories on the iPhone. ENOUGH!
"the UK phone launching on firmware 1.1.2" - TheKappa, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4Buried for the totally F*cking annoying pop up ads that raped my reading enjoyment.
- dontaskagain, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Get Firefox and adblock plus, you wont regret it
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