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- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+49Does it have keyboard problems or is that your typing? ;-)
- noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40How is it arrogant? It's simply stating the facts that Apple isn't used to having this many notebooks created, and that it's unable to do so at the current level. Arrogant would be like "Apple is so cool, more people want them than Dells".
Personally, I think this is a great thing. It's been far too long that hardware manufacturers have been focused on cheapening their laptops, and I think this kind of competition based on aesthetic appeal is a good thing. - Joey67, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24I just got a new Beemer. I probably should have talked to some other BMW owners first. I'm pretty disappointed. It has a great ride, lots of power, can get me where I need to go in style... but WTF? It can't play any games! Had I known it was such a piece of crap, I would never have gotten it.
- Flawless, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Sounds like a cool case mod to me... a brown Mac Book.
Think twice before sending it back! ;-) - sv650touring, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Thank you for setting these people straight gamabunta! Also, I can't tell you how warm and fuzzy I feel driving a Chevrolet. Their huge market share is wonderful. I get to wave at all the other Chevy drivers. It's great.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22The Xbox 360 was the first new console from Microsoft in 4 years, Microsoft has invested Billions into the product and had billions more in the bank to support it. The Macbook is not the Macbook Pro and Apple had unknowingly created a beast. Its not like they had a revision before this to anticipate how large demand would be.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+33You know its funny at digg....
When it happens to MS (eg the xbox 360) its the Biggest Screw up Evaaaarrrrr
When it happens to apple its the 'demand' - analogtyler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15i got mine the day it came out, but my girl just ordered a CTO macbook on the 17th and it isn't scheduled to ship until the 31st!
we called and apple refunded us 25 bucks, which was kind of cool.... i guess - rarun98, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14serves them right for making something so good.
- noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Well, I guess that makes me feel better about ordering my Macbook a week before the iPod nano deal came out. I'm so glad that I have this thing, it's been great to me. . . I can definatly understand why Apple is needing to up the ante for its laptop production.
- mactarkus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13You're right. Apple should produce more than they expect to sell in their wildest dreams. That way, if the demand unexpectedly skyrockets then they're covered. If it doesn't, then they just have a lot of MacBooks sitting around to discount when the Core 2 notebooks ship. From a company's perspective if demand < supply = bad. If demand > supply = good. You almost never get exactly demand equal to supply with a brand new product just getting out there.
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16There was also evidence that MS did it on purpose to raise the value of the consoles.
- rubeus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Hmmm..it sorta sounds like you are implying that sometimes digg users might act just a little biased towards MS in favor of Apple... Com'on this is Digg, those sorts of things are just illogical fallacies for the weak minded. ;-) But seriously though, I think you have this sorta trend with any major group, whether it's political, religious, or even now, company fanaticism (any company).
- 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@Ninjab3ar
Apparently you don't know anything about processor performance. I play oblivion just fine on my laptop with a 2.0 GHZ processor, how can this be? It's a different architecture, duh. By your logic, all of those sad saps that ran out and spent $1000 on an FX-62 and the poor Core 2 Duo owners are just SOL if they want to play Oblivion. Tool.
Think before you comment. - 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14@ Ninjab3ar
Of course he can play games, anybody who pays any attention at all to modern technology knows that a new mac will play all of the same games as a pc. Have you been living under a rock or are you just arrogant? - edman007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8wasn't one of the biggest reasons Apple switched to intel to prevent this from happening?
this time though its probably the chipset instead of the CPU
http://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=24071 - analogtyler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13your also not figuring in that the 360 fiasco occurred during the holiday season, its not like they (MS) didn't know what was going to happen.
granted it is the "back to school push" when it comes to notebooks, that leads to severe part shortages
the key thing is, mac was smart and has (according to a rep i talked to) fairly large supply of STOCK macbooks laying around. its their built to order laptops that are seeing delays.
pretty tough to compare this to the 360 - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's not a part that's holding them back, it's the manner of the order. Apple's pretty much a consumer hardware company when it comes to computers, they build computers, stick them in boxes and ship them to a warehouse to be sent out to retail stores and shipped to customers who order the default configurations. Custom configurations is a secondary business for Apple, and one that gets easily overloaded by too many custom orders, so much so that Apple's looking for a third business partner to deal with these kinds of orders.
Apple is a much more traditional computer builder, much like Compaq/HP and Gateway, they build for the stores first, and for the specific users second. Dell uses a build-to-order system that's much newer, and allows them to stay ahead of demand. It's a bit more expensive for Dell to actually build the machines, but they buy their parts in much larger quantities than Apple or Gateway, and get a better discount because of it (and they can offer huge discounts to specific users because the parts are literally "the bottom of the barrel" and they've got to get rid of them). - apocalizer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Right, like running out of Apples is "taking over."
- cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Me too, estimated ship Sept. 1st (yeah, I won't hold my breath..)
I was one of the people that used to despise Mac evangelists, and swore off ever picking up an Apple machine.. I suppose there are plenty others like me that have been swayed by how intuitive and fun they are. - jmaskell, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Not everyone wants to play games.
I really don't get the whole thing about "Macs can't play games so they're crap lol" - if you want to play games then you get a PC or a console (although some of the new Macs are can play games via Windows and BootCamp). Macs are great and in my opinion, better than PCs for a lot of other stuff too. - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Ninjab3ar,
A 2.66GHz core duo could easily beat a 3.2GHz P4. Even while only using a single core. Yeah, I can hear your reply now "Noo... 3.2 is higher than 2.66 so it's faster DUH" WRONG. The core duo uses fewer gates which means in the end that each clock does more processing, and uses less power. Hell, even a fast centrino processor could beat out a 3.0P4 so unless you actually have experience with problems running The Elder Srolls IV: Oblivion on a Macbook, STFU
5thfreedom, you beat me to it - TheSolomon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Your stockroom is filled with the standard configuration systems. The fulfillment slowness is related to custom-configured systems.
- chicagospur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5No wait on refurbs. You can even save a couple of hundred bucks.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/6474000/wo/8o1e3MF78v5W3WF9tAe14r5LsVN/1.0.0.19.1.0.8.7.1.0.1.1 - Joey67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"A Mac is not a BMW. If you make car comparisons for your computers then you have failed at life. Many models are not really that expensive, so if you really wanted you could buy one and I think that you would cease making stupid comparisons between it and your computer. Perhaps not."
Ummm... seems the comment went totally over your head. Even so... I'll have to re-examine my failed life. - tinygibbles, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I think tdskate refers to the fact that apple took over 12% of US laptop market share in the first half of the year, double what it had a year before that. And that was before a full quarter of macbook. So if it hits, say 30% market share by the end of the year, as projections would suggest, the "idiot" may be right.
- bbene, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And that's why I ordered mine in July.
- apersaud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone noticed how this article id is 1984 (Apple 1984)? I think its a sign of good karma!
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It hit that 12% market share on the strength of the MacBook Pro alone. Since the MacBook has come many many more people have bought them. I could easily see Apple having a 30% laptop market share for this quarter. It helps that this is back to school season, so I don't expect it to be that way every quarter, but the MacBook + nano is sweat deal.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Demand is not going to get much higher for laptops then back-to-school shopping the free nano promotion. Christmas sails will be good, but this is going to be the peak of the year.
- vinny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You do realize that Apple is the fourth largest computer manufacturer right? Apple may have a relatively small market share, but so do most other computer manufacturer's. There isn't ONE company making all Windows based computers.
- salmacis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm not at all surprised. It's a fantastic little machine, and the recent firmware update appears to have solved the "mooing" issue (not that mine ever suffered from that) and it runs about 10 degrees cooler as well. In terms of the price of the hardware, you can't really say the MacBook is particularly overpriced compared to a Windows notebook, when you compare feature for feature.
- slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I disagree. Demand will be high but much more steady.
People have been waiting for 3 years for something significantly faster than a G4 Powerbook or iBook. Once they meet the initial spike in demand, things will be a lot better for prospective MacBook buyers. - slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@MacParrot
"I've wanted to do this with my iBook G4, but the thought of screwing something up in disassembly has me frozen."
If you're nervous about these things, I don't think you want to upgrade a MacBook Pro. Get the dealer to do it. If you're already used to building your own systems, it's not that bad to do an MBP, but you should watch the videos on the Other World Computing site to make sure you know what you're doing.
On the other hand, the MacBook is really easy. We're talking 30+ minutes (MBP) vs. 10 minutes (MB) for a cautious newbie case cracker. The best thing about doing your own MB is that you can get one of the 7200 rpm notebook drives that Apple only seems to make available for the MBP for much, much less than what Apple charges. - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually, I noticed about 3 comments on this page before I left mine that had used the word arrogant. Not sure if people think it makes them sound smarter or what, but most of the time it's not even used properly. Seems to be used interchangeably with ignorant, and it's not
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9"When it happens to MS (eg the xbox 360) its the Biggest Screw up Evaaaarrrrr"
Microsoft wasn't custom building xbox 360s, were they? Apple's got plenty of MacBooks with default configurations sitting around in boxes at both their retail stores and in warehouses, what they don't have are a lot of build-to-order machines laying around, which is what they're having trouble delivering. - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2While in a way this may seem like bad news for Apple, but in reality it's actually fantastic news. After all, rising demand is what Apple needs, and that's just what they're getting. They are making all of the right moves right now, and it's really showing. With the ability to run Windows on the Intel series Macs, and all of the problems Dell and other competitors are facing, the Mac Pro is looking like a great solution to businesses, and the prices on iMacs and Mac Minis is perfect. My company is already talking about revamping our design department with all new Mac Pros (even custom configed, they are cheaper than a comparable Dell), as well as a Mac Pro or XServe server box. Our designers are happy, Finance is happy, and most of all, I'm stoked to be getting to check out this new equipment!
And for those of you whining about "no games" on Mac, go to an Apple store, or online retailer, and get a clue. The majority of recent and popular titles ARE available for Mac, and it's my understanding that Apple is currently building a game development team as well to offer future support for popular titles. Regardless, you can run Windows on Intel Macs anyway, so you're still getting the most capable box money can buy.
I'm glad to see Apple finally making some leeway and pushing competition on the big PC players right now. Some competition is well needed, and welcomed by the technology community. After all, competition is what forces companies to give us better products, right? :)
--Edit: almost forgot, it will also give us the ability to make gravy. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with you on a desktop (but they have already solved that problem). On a laptop it is much nicer to only have one button. I always hit the wrong button on my dell. I like control-click for right click, or the double finger tap, it is much easier and more ergonomic to use. You have to be a thumb contortionist to right click on dell, maybe my hands are just too big.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Duggan,
The trick is to have just about all the stock you need without a massive overstock that you have to sell at or below cost later. Apple isn't used to such a massive demand for their computers. Sounds like something most computer companies would like. - betobeto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Getting used to trackpad two-finger tapping for right-click operations on a Macbook wasn't all that hard for me. In fact I am deeply amazed on how it works like a charm.
- FrankieAngels, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I managed to get mine last week after thinking about it for ages. Up until then I had never used a Mac!
I ended up buying the display model at PC World as everywhere else had sold out. Nobody could tell me when new stock was due so I decided to bite the bullet and go for the demo model - am I glad I did! This thing is fantastic - beautifully made, excellent design and a brilliant feature set for the cash.
No wonder they are struggling to meet demand. - stripes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2kcfreels: if you have two fingers on the trackpad when you click the button it treats that as the 2nd mouse button. (I think you have to set that in System Prefs though)
- DoctorDuckey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You might get lucky--the orders for Mac Minis were delayed because they hadn't announced the Intel Mac Minis...Have fun with your Conroe iMac
- slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4What I don't get is why people don't just run out to their local Apple dealer and pick one up. They'll get instant gratification (it took 2 weeks for me to receive my Intel iMac with the "free shipping" - you can bet that I won't be cheap on the shipping ever again) and if they buy from an independent dealer, they'll get the upgrade parts installed more cheaply than from Apple.
With the MBP, I can definitely understand the need to go BTO, since it's not easily serviced by an amateur. In comparison, the MB is a cakewalk for retailers (and customers) to upgrade. - eugenef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WT F, I placed an order for my Black Macbook with 1gig of ram, and just received a third email stating that I wont be receiving it till Sept. 8the, and I placed the order on August 16th. Apple I HATE YOU! I have been waiting patiently, and the fact that I am a student, makes it even worse. I have no way of doing any of my work, I have no way to write my papers or check my email. Apple, I thought you were good! and now I am reading that there are shut down issues, and I haven't even received the product, and I am all ready hearing bad things, someone help! On top of that I purchased the nano with it, since you get a rebate, but I had it engraved, so I can't even cancel the order, even though there is the exact model at my local apple store. WT F!
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6There are 48 different configurations of the MacBook white, and 9 of the Black MacBook, not including extra adapters or software included with the machines (which take time to install).
While this isn't an earth-shattering number of configurations, Apple typically only manufactures 3 of them, with all of the rest of the configurations being built-to-order and thusly taking extra time to actually put together. My guess is Apple prepares a certain number of each configuration using a statistical analysis of the demand of those units, but if for any reason you oversell any one set configuration, you're out of luck until you can send your order out to Asia, have them build a few thousand more. Hence, delays.
Apple isn't Dell, they don't typically build machines to order, even a thousand orders out of prediction can cause a delay. - scottmoss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I can think of a lot worse problems to have, is Mike Dell listening?
- slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4You mean they "pretend" to be surprised.
They know exactly what they're doing, and it makes good business sense. Having excess inventory costs you money. They're not intentionally creating a shortage, it's just a result of their just-in-time model.
Unlike Lenovo and Dell, they have a relatively captive market. You can't switch to an equivalent machine with another brand, since there is only one way to run OSX legally.
Fortunately, Apple customers are very loyal. Supply problems might cause Apple to lose a few potential switchers, but it's better than being saddled with millions of unsold units. - betobeto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Spring 2007 looks like a little more than three months to me.
- strat94, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Because the recall is on ibooks and powerbooks, not intel macbooks. Get a clue.
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