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- TheAmazingBob, on 10/18/2008, -7/+76All I care is that Snow Leopard will be able to perform Leopard tasks at Tiger speed. Not that my Macbook Pro is noticeably slower than before, its just that sometimes I feel like I'm waiting for basic things to happen, booting up the desktop, dock, and such. Tiger always seemed to have everything done before I asked it to.
- CoreyTamas, on 10/18/2008, -2/+41"All I care is that Snow Leopard will be able to perform Leopard tasks at Tiger speed." ...I couldn't have said it better.
- elfprince13, on 10/18/2008, -0/+30the real reason would be if they're getting ready to ditch support for Carbon completely
- deadbaby, on 10/18/2008, -0/+28No it doesn't. I don't think you understand what Finder is.
First, Finder is just the file browser / management utility on a Mac. Kinda like Windows Explorer but not as complex. Explorer has a lot of ties to the core OS -- especially in Vista. It's integrated with Internet Explorer. It's a complex application. OSX's Finder is much more simplistic and to the point. I don't think Apple will have much trouble doing a full re-write of it.
Apple originally developed parts (all?) of it with the Carbon API. I'm guessing this was done for performance reasons and perhaps because they ported a good chunk of OS9 code over. I've also read that they didn't originally attend to have Finder in OSX so perhaps they didn't have time to do a full Cocoa version.
Anyway, Finder is a very small fraction of OSX's code but it happens to be one of the apps you use the most. The 10.5 version of Finder is far faster and more reliable for network shares than the 10.4 version so I suspect they have already done a lot of the work behind the scenes. - stellarceltic, on 10/18/2008, -0/+27So would Finder look/perform any differently after being rewritten in Cocoa?
- Mithivh, on 10/18/2008, -2/+22Most likely. Doesn't make much sense to re-write a program in a different language for no reason.
- CoreyTamas, on 10/18/2008, -0/+16That's like saying "Wanna lose some weight? Just saw off some limbs. Problem solved".
The idea is to get the performance AND the features. - LRonaldHubbs, on 10/18/2008, -0/+14Image Boot is a pretty sweet feature. Get VMWare Fusion to support the format used by this (sparse DMGs?) and we'll be getting close to the holy grail of multiple OS machines.
- pyrates, on 10/18/2008, -1/+15I wonder if the cocoa finder will fix the spinning beach ball from happening.
- thedragon4453, on 10/18/2008, -1/+14You'll bite monocock?
- snagra, on 10/18/2008, -1/+13Then what's the point of that.
- mastercheif, on 10/18/2008, -4/+16Agreed. I get the beach ball 2x as much as I did in tiger.
- Protoss, on 10/18/2008, -0/+11elfprince, I think that not supporting a 64-bit version of Carbon pretty much says that they're looking to drop it soon.
- tofagerl, on 10/18/2008, -1/+12You're a dreamer... I like that!
- TheAmazingBob, on 10/18/2008, -1/+12Panther tasks =/= Leopard tasks
Plus I don't believe that my MacBook Pro could be downgraded that far back. - snagra, on 10/18/2008, -1/+11Why the hell did you open this article up and not only read it, but also comment on it. There is a summary of the article for a reason.
- omenmedia, on 10/18/2008, -0/+10I'm waiting for Mac OS Garfield.
- Grogtron, on 10/18/2008, -2/+12God willing. It's a shame how flakey it is. Certainly better than it has been in the past, but when you think about the things you absolutely have to get exactly right it would seem to me the primary way people interact with the machine would be near the top of that list.
The finder has been an Achilles heel for far too long. - Micrll, on 10/18/2008, -0/+10I like where snow leopard is going, I have a two year old macbook and it still feels nice and fast even after two years of daily use. It really sounds like they are going to take the time to refine some parts of the OS that have been lagging behind, I have never really had much of a problem with the finder but it could be better, its nothing to write home about right now. Image boot sounds interesting though I will most likely not use it much, you can already make a bootable drive on a external partition anyways but I am sure someone will come up with a killer idea for it.
- elfprince13, on 10/18/2008, -1/+11unfortunately a lot of stuff doesn't support panther anymore....
- pumacub, on 10/18/2008, -0/+10Windows Explorer has not been integrated with Internet Explorer for quite some time.
- SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -0/+9I just want warning popups to behave themselves in Spaces, and the ability to press "y" for "yes" "d" for "don't" etc. (In all apps.) Oh, and for windows of folders to remember their preferred view style, and in Columns View, to remember their sort order, whether by date modified or alphabetical.
- bryanwebster, on 10/18/2008, -1/+94gb ram should help
- JakobMetzger, on 10/18/2008, -4/+12Well, I have always liked Finder over Windows Explorer and any of the Linux file browser GUIs
Other than the occasional hang up when network drives get disconnected is the only thing I would want changed. - stellarceltic, on 10/18/2008, -0/+8You're willing to give him credit for reading the article?
You're a better man than I. - inactive, on 10/18/2008, -2/+10If the finder doesn't have tabs this time, i'm going to scream. Honestly why can it not have tabs? It would be far more productive than having to re open a new finder each time, if i could quickly just work in one pane for moving files. Kde had this feature for quite sometime, so i beg , please tabbed finder
- Ovalteen, on 10/18/2008, -0/+7I am prepared to tolerate the beach ball if they include animated female beach volleyball players to hit it back and forth while I wait.
***** or GTBO (Get The Beachball Out). - CATSCEO2, on 10/18/2008, -0/+7OS X has been x86 for years, where have you been?
- mrsteveman1, on 10/18/2008, -2/+9I want it to do Leopard tasks at Ludicrous speed, and i want it now.
Hopefully now will be soon - dixta, on 10/18/2008, -1/+8I would miss the BBOD (Beach Ball Of Death).
It's like Apple's way of saying "hmmm looks like that app ain't coming back but.... oh hey! A BEACH BALL!" - Radan, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Actually, CMD+The First Letter On The Button works with most applications. For example CMD+D chooses "Don't Save". Escape, most often chooses "Cancel", and Enter of course chooses the default button.
Note that it will always use the first letter in the English version, even if you use a different language. (Like "Spara inte" still has the shortcut CMD+D) - diggimator, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6While I'm content with the current Finder experience, I've heard that a Cocoa Finder is supposed to handle multi-tasking better, which means less hangups. I think Apple has been weary of a making major rewrite until now since it is such a crucial piece of software.
- jonathangerlach, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Yes, there will by fewer spinning beach balls in Snow Leopard but not because of a Cocoa Finder. The new kernel in Snow Leopard will have fewer "context switches" so there will be fewer opportunities for an app to be seen as "unresponsive" by the OS. The new kernel is my reason for updating. Oh, and Quicktime X if it supports more codecs like Matroska. Is anyone else tired of Xvid/AVI files not playing in Quicktime without the Xvid codec? It shouldn't be required because Xvid is MPEG4 compliant. It should "just work".
- mrsteveman1, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Vistas explorer has a lot of nice features but its not all that great. Leopard finder is clean and snappy for me though lacks some features (tree view, bitches, columns don't cut it)
- rotundo, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6i think he meant monocoque:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque
But really he meant "unibody" which is the term Apple seems to be using. Means the same thing but without the Beavis and Butthead connotations. - brokenwatch, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6monocoque?
- CoreyTamas, on 10/18/2008, -0/+5Actually, what most companies would do is say "The OS is adopted, it runs well enough, the press like it, the public likes it, we got their money... we're done. On to the next project."
Apple said "Let's see what we can do about making it faster and more efficient." They didn't have to, but they did.
I'm not a wholesale Apple fan. They do some stuff I question and even a few things I flat-out don't like. I'm not at all sure their future is bright and sometimes they make decisions that turn me off. But this? This is a really, really good thing they're doing and only the most hardened, sourpuss cynics would call them down for it. - BossKey, on 10/18/2008, -0/+5There is a saying floating around in Mac programming land:
Finder + Cocoa = Finder
If the Finder is to improve, it won't be because the port it to Cocoa, it will be because they redesigned it right this time. Cocoa is just a means not an end. Most of the Finder's problems aren't about performance, though a few certainly are and might be fixed by Cocoa. - chickenloco, on 10/18/2008, -4/+9Hell, it's better than all the Obamaspam I'm used to seeing on Digg these days.
- BossKey, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4I prefer the performance and fixes I got with Tiger. TIger is the most optimal performance OS of the OS X continuum. Leopard is probably the most usable. Hopefully Snow Leopard will prove to be both.
- digitalpencil, on 10/18/2008, -1/+5tabbed interfaces don't play well with expose, that's probably why..
- deadbaby, on 10/18/2008, -1/+4Personally that's why I like Finder. It's just a simple file manager. No extra clutter to slow me down when I'm looking for something -- along with spotlight it's a lot quicker than Explorer to actually find and open files IMO.
For actual file management, PathFinder is great. Better than Explorer. - BlueStarr, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3Yes of course. It will not however, run on G4 or G5 systems. All intel/Mac based computers.
- chembro84, on 10/18/2008, -1/+4Wow you are really angry for some reason.
- DelMonte, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3" Is anyone else tired of Xvid/AVI files not playing in Quicktime without the Xvid codec? It shouldn't be required because Xvid is MPEG4 compliant. It should "just work"."
Haven't you heard of Perian? A free plug-in that supports almost all codecs you can imagine. I very rarely have to resort to VLC these days, thanks to Perian.
The MPEG4 data inside Xvid files might be MPEG4 compliant, but the Xvid container is not. - dixta, on 10/18/2008, -0/+32005 called, they want their hangups back.
- kraetos, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3@pumacub:
The only version of Windows that has separate explorers is Vista. They're integrated in WinXP, and even upgrading to 7 doesn't fix the problem completely, since it needs to keep the IE6 frameworks around for Windows explorer.
I suppose you're "for some time" comment makes sense, since Vista is almost two years old. But the vast majority of Windows users are still on XP. - thetanman, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3That was the case for me until I did a complete fresh install. Since then my 1.83GHz Core Duo (2 gigs of ram) has been performing like a champ, to my bewilderment at times. The new finder is the most useful thing (for me) I've seen on any computer. If Snow Leopard can improve on this, bring it on.
- coldfusion1970, on 10/18/2008, -1/+4What are you talking about?
I've used Macs for over 20 years and i've yet to see any other Mac users running a Finder substitute.
The Finder is the best desktop organiser i've used (and i've used the Amiga, Sinclair Spectrum, BBC Micro, Atari ST and Windows). - RemoteSojourner, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3True but windows explorer is much more than a file browser/finder. It also renders your desktop and is the window manager unlike the Finder in OSX
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