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- HellDonut, on 06/21/2009, -46/+316Given the number of people who love to like to think Microsoft is evil and Adobe is bad because of proprietary stuff, I can't believe Apple gets the free ride it does. They're a lot worse in all aspects. See how they handle a platform where they have 10% less of the penetration: Nazi rules and lack of consistency.
- t0ny, on 06/21/2009, -16/+124Apple does not let programs interpret any 'outside' code.
- Alphab, on 06/21/2009, -34/+136Emulator are specifically not allowed in the iPhone developer agreement. Maybe they're wrong, but this rejection is not surprising or ungrounded.
- jakem1, on 06/21/2009, -7/+90You would HAVE loved to try it.
- haentz, on 06/21/2009, -15/+94RTFA! They asked Apple beforehand, if they would be allowed to release this emualtor. Apple agreed. Plus there are other emulators in the sore. Apple's release workflow is jsut *****...
- Frazzlet, on 06/21/2009, -23/+94Apple is no better than Microsoft and Microsoft no better than Apple. They are both here to make money and they both hate you.
- nonymous666, on 06/21/2009, -9/+62Except that, AS THE ARTICLE POINTS OUT, Apple has approved Chip-8 emulators (the processor originally used for the game Pong), and Sega's 'Sonic' and 'Golden Axe' games for the iPhone are also emulated.
- inactive, on 06/21/2009, -8/+58Yes, to the fanboys, READ THE ARTICLE all the way through to see why Apple is being inconsistent with the SDK Agreement.
- inactive, on 06/21/2009, -7/+46It's not ungrounded, but it is still surprising as other emulators are currently being sold in the app store.
- Lightstab, on 06/21/2009, -11/+47This app actually does violate Apple's rules. From Daring Fireball:
"But while I hope this gets worked out and allowed into the store (I’d buy it in a heartbeat), it should not be considered a bogus/outrageous/controversial rejection. The rejection notice cites sections of the SDK guidelines (forbidding code emulators) which the app clearly violates." - jmsobe, on 06/20/2009, -4/+36Come on apple. Show some love for the C64!! This rocks!.
- powerbook86, on 06/20/2009, -14/+45This looked amazing! Too bad it was rejected, I would of loved to try it out.
- cloudberries, on 06/21/2009, -7/+35What about the emulators in the app store already though? They don't look particularly forbidden
- louiemantia, on 06/21/2009, -10/+38Yep. As cool as this app may be, they knew the restrictions and accepted agreements. They can't be really surprised...
- jamaph, on 06/21/2009, -21/+48FTA: Thank you for submitting C64 1.0 to the App Store. We've reviewed C64 1.0 and determined that we cannot post this version of your iPhone application to the App Store because it violates the iPhone SDK Agreement; "3.3.2 An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise. No interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s)."
That's the reason Apple rejected this app...
All I have to say is - It doesn't matter how excited an Apple rep, might be about a potential product for the app store. READ THE REQUIREMENTS of approval!!!
Epic Fail! - kashem, on 06/21/2009, -10/+35The SDK forbids emulators, so it shouldn't be a shock to the developer. I would still buy it though if it were available.
- Darthyoshiboy, on 06/21/2009, -6/+31Take it to Android!!! Be willing to bet that a good deal of Android owners actually had C64s and would appreciate an emulator.
- dragossh, on 06/21/2009, -4/+26Apple makes shiny products, that's why they get a free ride.
- argagarg, on 06/21/2009, -6/+28Oh, Apple is definitely the most evil. The analogy I use is this:
Apple is to Microsoft as Dick Cheney is to Satan: not as powerful, but oh so much more evil. - Stalks, on 06/21/2009, -7/+27But other emulators are available in the App store. Why do they get in when this doesn't?
- ultralights, on 06/21/2009, -5/+23stop ya whinging, jailbreak. + cydia. = emulate away!
- Giac, on 06/21/2009, -2/+19Want to play C64 games? theres no app for that :(....
- gutistg, on 06/21/2009, -0/+16I don't think either of them hates any consumer, they just don't necessarily care what's best for them.
- Chorx, on 06/21/2009, -2/+18No, they just hate you. Like I do.
- mithrasinvictus, on 06/21/2009, -5/+20i won't.
- heyimfromreddit, on 06/21/2009, -3/+17There's a major difference here. One is an emulated game. The other is an emulatOR.
- inactive, on 06/21/2009, -3/+17Apple didn't "agree".
Some corporate suits were excited by the prospect of seeing "classic" games running on the device, but those suits rarely know the inner working of any apps.
And then when it got in QA, people that knew what they ***** they were doing (eg : not suits) realized that it broke a rule. - inactive, on 06/21/2009, -16/+29See this : http://www.flickr.com/photos/segaamerica/364011689 ...
Golden Axe for iPhone, which is exactly the same as what Manomio submitted : An emulated game. Golden Axe runs as much "foreign executable" than Manomio's emu.
Epic Inconsistency.
(BTW : I know that it's cool to bash iPhone developer who complain from rejection, but in this case, and seeing as numerous published games already break that requirement, I'm willing to take the developer's side on this one) - skunkman62, on 06/21/2009, -0/+12basically your run on sentence gave me a headache.
- chongli, on 06/21/2009, -6/+17Sega's games include all of the code necessary to play in the bundle. This C64 emulator does not (otherwise it would be infringing copyright).
That is the difference. - fracai, on 06/21/2009, -6/+16@mikelieman
No, you actually DO own your iPhone. What you DON'T own is the App Store. Apple does, and if they don't want to publish an App, they don't have to. There are other pathways for doing whatever you want; Jailbreaking is the most obvious. - EntropyFan, on 06/21/2009, -0/+10inconsistent? They habitually do whatever the hell they want.
Sounds quite consistent to me.
These whiners need to shut the hell up and use the Apple stuff they bought the way Apple allows them to.
Apple was very clear about that before they laid down their cash. - NoobpwnYa, on 06/21/2009, -0/+10the game was "fully licensed"
- gyrfalcon, on 06/21/2009, -2/+11Apple only tried to embrace open software when they were on the verge of becoming bankrupt. You're quite right that Apple is evil.
Most folks probably don't remember Apple revoking all their BIOS rights from clone manufactures. - redline6800, on 06/21/2009, -3/+12Seriously, RTFA.
- Hellahulla, on 06/21/2009, -0/+9Maybe they'll decide to remove them after this ... bugger.
The annoying thing though, this product is officially licensed. - jmsobe, on 06/20/2009, -0/+8I must have The Way of the Exploding Fist
- digginamish, on 06/21/2009, -0/+8"Thinking" without reading will (or should) always get you buried!
- evanfrey, on 06/21/2009, -1/+9Not true, the clause states an app may not launch external code. Being able to boot "c64 disks" is booting code outside of the app. The Golden Ax example is coded for the iphone, not booting external code. Fail still stands.
- thinkdifferent, on 06/21/2009, -2/+9The guidelines for the App Store describes an emulator which would run outside code. Thus, think about a JVM to run java apps, wouldn't be valid. If the application you are submitting itself uses code written for another platform & then emulates that hardware, but doesn't allow running other programs with it, you should be fine.
- dragossh, on 06/21/2009, -1/+8You forgot one thing though: if I can't find something at Walmart, I can go to another store. You can't get apps for iPhone from any store other than the App Store.
- MacParrot, on 06/21/2009, -4/+11RTFA! Apple's Europe rep did NOT agree. According to TFA they were "excited". Whatever that means.
Are the Golden Ax and Sonic games created with a Sega Genesis emulator or were they just recoded for the iPhone? Since I'm not a programmer (nor do I play one on TV) I have no idea one way or another. I couldn't find any proof googling it. Maybe someone else more knowledgeable here can say. - GaryChalmers, on 06/21/2009, -6/+13Why? Because Apple's policy is to be a bunch of dicks and their user base loves getting it in the rear.
- Nothlit, on 06/21/2009, -0/+7You forgot the part where you're extremely interested in science and programming...
- MacParrot, on 06/21/2009, -0/+7The Commodore company as a whole died because of very poor management. The C64 (while cool in its own right), was NOT the best thing this company produced. The Amiga OS had many features that neither Apple or Microsoft had in their respective operating systems and was essentially using the same hardware as the Mac.
If their management had had any skills, we might all be screaming at Amiga fanboys instead. - DemDude, on 06/21/2009, -1/+7The emulator isn't the problem - the emulators cloudberries mentioned contain the emulated material in the app itself, while the one the article is about would have to load it from somewhere else on the phone. They can't inlcude the games in the app because that would be a copyright violation.
Loading data from "outside" the app isn't allowed in the Developer Agreement, however. Thus, it won't get into the App Store. I guess this didn't come as much of a surprise for the developers... - kleon777, on 06/21/2009, -4/+10I read the whole article, and it seems to me that they did have a reason to object, and it's a reason that the developers already anticipated. It sucks that they went through all that hard work, but they shouldn't be too surprised. They were just crossing their fingers hoping Apple would overlook one of their rules.
- jordanlgta, on 06/21/2009, -0/+6Thank you.
- inactive, on 06/21/2009, -1/+7Except that Manomio's model is to release the roms as legal "game pack", without a way for users to add roms themselves to their app.
I fail to see how this is similar, and judging by the fact that they only have 1 publisher went along so far, you won't have a "lot of free c64 games". - Pardis, on 06/21/2009, -2/+8@ sebconn
Here ya go http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/ ... -
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