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- gforce42, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31Apple is generally fast to release patches in general, not only focusing on the iPod and iTunes, but all of their hardware and software in general. If you make a comparison to Microsoft, I remember many times when security flaws were found for which third party patches would be out weeks, even months before Microsoft released any patch.
- thehigherlife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26apple releases updates for both systems all of the time. just last week they released a patch. who would have thought?
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26"ista interface alone takes up 50% of my ram."
Only 40MiB of RAM eh?
Might want to think about upgrading that. - GopherChucks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I don't think anyone can deny that the iPod is the big mover for Apple, and it did indeed put them on the map, and give them the popularity they needed to get the rest of the company's products moving.
As for the patch; yeah, that was actually pretty quick! Good game.
btw, "fanboy" is an automatic bury. Jerk. - Blandyman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23About time? Vista's only officially been out for a few days...
Your expectations are inconceivably stupid. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20"I'm running on Vista. It's great to see them support Vista, but iTunes is a memory hog. I'm using VLC media player to play my music because the vista interface alone takes up 50% of my ram. I don't have the extra ram to use iTunes."
So iTunes is the memory hog, not Vista? Fascinating...
Seriously though, try switching your view in iTunes to use its simple interface and restart it, it has a very small memory footprint that way. On Mac OS X, iTunes uses 26MB RAM as long as you just use it's traditional simpler interface. VLC uses 10MB, not much of a difference... - thecosmicpope, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Why wasnt this bug found during the beta phases of Vista? Surely someone will have noticed it?
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Um, Vista has been in development for how long? How many release candidates and betas were there?"
I used iTunes during the betas and never had an issue playing my ITMS music. I think this is a pretty recent bug. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23Microsoft: "Damn! Foiled again!"
- zdislaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10This has been a known issue for nearly a year. I reported it myself to Apple six months ago when I was using a pre-release version of Vista. I was told that iTunes just didn't work with Vista. I asked if it would and was told "I dunno." They could have had a fix ready a looong time ago.
- compwizz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Actually, I used the Vista beta for quite some time. I had iTunes on it and it ran fine, no problems at all, so maybe it has to do with something Microsoft put in the final version of Vista that wasn't in any of the beta versions that is causing the problem. I don't know for sure, but that seems like it might be a possibility.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm sure we'll get some comments like that :)
- monosyth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i think this refers to when music is transferred... not purchased in the new OS.
- jasegruver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Vista was Released to Manufacturing (RTM) back in November. That means that Vista was stamped "Final" months ago. MSDN Subscribers got access to the final version of Vista about a week after it was Released to Manufacturing. It was on TorrentSpy for download within days of RTM. I personally ran it back in November. Apple really wasn't very quick about this. I would have expected them to have already had a "fix" for it. It was Released to Businesses on November 30th. Although I doubt many "Businesses" rely on Itunes, I expect quite a few executives have an Ipod.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Apple. I think Apple is going to continue to gain marketshare in every aspect of business that they participate in, and I think Microsoft is going to continue to lose marketshare. Businesses will always use Windows, but Mac is going to be what every consumer eventually turns to. - pathy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Do you have ANY idea how different drivers for hardware, and a program to play music are?
- CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Companies do not develop paches for their software based on non GA OS platforms because there is no guarentee that it will be that way when it releases. This is Software Dev 101.
- universeman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There are two types of computer users, those who back up regularly and those who will back up regularly.
- Elbart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The apps adopt to the OS, not the OS to the apps.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"It wasn't microsoft breaking the software compatibility, it was iTunes giving an error message because it didn't recognize the new OS as you could have read in this story's page "Users reported that they received a message saying their computer was not authorized to play the purchased tracks.". So please quit with those lame conspiracy theories, Apple could have made iTunes compatible with vista a long time ago, when the betas/RCs were available."
Mythos, the action line is that Microsoft did this on purpose so that people would no longer use iTunes. How on earth was anything MS supposedly done supposed to have stopped anyone from doing this when a simple fix corrected the problem? Who the heck knows!
It's almost worthless to try to instill logic to people that operate happily without it. - bigredsplace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3With OS wars set aside, I think its good to see any company fix software in a fast manner.
If company XYZ had a broken product, they would want to support that product no matter what to make everyone happy, so company XYZ would fix it. They don't care what OS it runs on. They just want it working so they keep bringing in the $$. I wish more software companies could follow these models of fast software updates. - netarchitect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3$10 says that apple just did this to piss off Bill Gates
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't *hate* iTunes as a music player (I do prefer WinAMP for sure) and Quicktime is actually really good - it provides a lot of libraries for handling media. The Quicktime Player is better on the Mac then it's Windows counterpart, though.
As far as a music player corrupting a RAID array, well, that's just dumb. - pinesol101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2iTunes problems with Windows Vista
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305042 - quamsta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I've been running Vista RTM for a while with 300+ purchased songs over two apple accounts and have yet to experience this... I wonder what the conditions are to replicate this bug?
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@zmigliozzi - I don't know what you're talking about. I have 1GB of DDR400 as well and when I was running the RC1 of Vista it never consumed that much RAM. It actually ran just as fast as XP.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The Zune is just an iPod clone that is only meant for people adverse to Apple products in brand and name. If you're a Mac user then clearly you're not adverse to Apple. Mac user's who do not like the iPod in general would buy an actual iPod alternative not an iPod clone.
The Zen Micro is a popular iPod alternative among Mac users, i hear. - tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well I'm running RAID 5 on Windows XP and iTunes doesn't corrupt anything. It isn't necessarily iTunes, it could be your RAID controller or Vista.
- diggnationdevon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Stupid. They should just release an updated version of iTunes.
- l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Of course you reported it at http://bugreport.apple.com, didn't you?
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Months and months. Of course, nothing should ever be able to bring down the OS. Ever. Drivers can, unfortunately - but plugging in an iPod should never do it. It's probably a driver crash in usb or something, but who knows. It shouldn't be able to bring down the OS.
Microsoft will never learn. - daliminator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2uh...you want...Apple(?) to fix your window rendering problems? If you're talking about MS, you're a bit off-topic...
btw it's probably a hardware problem. Upgrade your GPU. I've been running Vista for more than two months now and have absolutely no problems. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Apparently it has to do with the new security profile for normal user accounts. If you run as an administrator you won't see the problem.
- jasegruver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know, I had problems like that with Itunes on XP. I don't have an Ipod yet, but I wanted to use Itunes exclusively for podcasts. Itunes 7 kept crashing on my machine. I really liked the program, but it kept crashing. I even reinstalled XP (Clean) and still had those crashes. Had to give up on it. I'm getting a MacBook soon anyway. Then it is OSX all the way. The day I buy my Mac, I will never look back at Windows......well maybe boot camp to play some games. ;) I wish Apple would license DirectX from Microsoft.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea, I agree. The iPod is cool and all, but all I want is an MP3 player. I would love if it had 60 or 80GB, and was nice and compact. It would be great if it would read all the ID3 v2 tags including album art.
Someone will do it, and sell it for less money, and that will be that. Hope it happens sooner rather then later. - EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Hale
No one is forcing you, regardless of what player you use, to use DRM. My Creative fits all but one of your criteria, even using Windows Media Player, because I choose to buy CD's and rip them myself. Nothing is crippled, no limitations.
The 30hour-ish battery would be nice, however. - trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmm my raid craped out on me as while since using vista. Now I have separated the drives in fear of loosing everything.
- transversed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I knew this was going to happen. How convienent.
- theGOG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1iTunes was the only reason I didn't use the RTM when it was released.
- l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Run Vista in Safe Mode, then in performance options disable desktop compositing. Seems like Vista thinks your computer's OK for Aero when it's really not.
- Hale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@tylerni7
I tried probably a dozen different media players and even more software that accessed files on the raid drive and it only ever occured when itunes or quicktime was used to access a file on that drive. - LeeVal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I' ve purchased 1 video and 3 songs off iTunes on Windows Vista and they all work
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Sadly my iTunes still crashes with an INVALID_PROCESS_ATTACH_ATTEMPT BSOD when downloading podcasts w/ the latest version of iTunes so I'm stuck with the old version. Apple tried to help, but ultimately told me I should rebuild my PC.
- codethis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1now if they could only fix the window rendering for vista, it takes a really long time and sometimes doesnt re-render at all. I just get a black screen with hints of text (maybe just the shadows)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2And the point of this article that M$ purposely made that?
- uggidi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I upgraded to Vista and I did not run into any problem with iTunes, but good to know :)
- ratchet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I agree that iTunes should have been up to speed on this., Vista released in November and they had 2 months to make it work, but they didn't. I can't even find anywhere if Vista will run on a 64 bit version of Vista Ultimate. Anyone here know? I certainly hope so, especially since 90% of the hardware sold today is 64 bit - it is sad to see companies stay stuck in the last generation. I am sure that some people will give me a hard time about 64 bit not making a difference but I can tell you from trying the 32 bit version and the 64 bit version, the 64 bit is much faster (at least it seems so to me).
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I haven't had any issues with iTunes but my friend can't even get it to work. Only difference is that I'm running Ultimate and he has Home Premier. But I wouldn't think that would change anything? Also I sync my iPod with my Mac only so that probably makes a difference.
- joshpar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In response to Hale... podzilla (do a google serach for ipodlinux) isn't bad, and of course it comes with all the open source promise / limitations...
Josh - senhordosaneis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Well.. i just use Winamp with ml_pod.. works great for me.
And btw.. iTunes sucks. :) - CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5@LeafsScore - you have got to be kidding. It uses about 60MB on my system, so you have a 128MB system running Vista? Enjoy the swap!
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