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- dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -42/+142Yea, but if history has taught me anything, France is more likely to surrender than Apple...
- puffarthur, on 10/12/2007, -74/+140It's so hard to pick sides on this one... I hate DRM, but then again I hate France....
- Kev585, on 10/12/2007, -21/+82FreedomPods!
- PurpleMeteor, on 10/12/2007, -41/+82And why do you hate France? Do you have any real and valid reasons?
- monolith, on 10/12/2007, -12/+52Yea... who's stronger... Apple or the government of France... this is going to be fun.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -22/+51Why all the hostile responses? Are there so many Apple fanboys here who must simply defend each and every Apple marketing and business tactic?
Take a break fellas.
Firstly, Apple will likely just stall for time in France and if that ends it'd most likely pull out of France altogether. Now the problem here i see is why you people are so HYPOCRITICAL. So it's bad that microsoft has a monopoly but if its Apple its alright?
Screw you Apple fanboys. - longofest, on 10/12/2007, -27/+50French food ain't bad though...
- tekmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Um... because Mircosoft isn't limited DRM'd files to Microsoft-only devices. This is a question of allowing competing devices a fighting chance, not a question of removing Apple's DRM completely.
- Walking.Dude, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32Don't be silly. France has every right to do this. Apple also has a right not to sell digital downloads there.
- mshire, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32Apple should not piss off the French which has a big voice in the EU and could push other counties to do the same.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27I get both sides to this.
Despite what some of the more thick-headed people like to pretend, Apple does not have a monopoly - you can buy music anywhere. And even if they did, having a monopoly is not against the law, only abusing your monopoly status as leverage to force concessions from people is - if you dont believe me, look it up.
On the other side, it comes down to ownership. A lot of consumers are too stupid to realise that purchases made from iTunes will ONLY work on Apple products. This is why, even though I love the iPod, I'll never purchase a single song from iTunes - but again, most consumers are too stupid to get this.
So basically, it comes down to, do you think that governments should protect people from their own stupidity? My personal opinion is NO. People should have the right to be stupid.
In the end though, I suspect that Apple will be forced to open iTunes up, and when they do, Im betting that they will earn more money from licensing their technology than they ever made from iPod sales. Its the MS buisness philosophy that Mr. Jobs still doesnt seem to understand. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"Apple would sooner drop out of the French market altogether"
Look I know we're not journalists and the concept of Digg, while ingenius, will invite some questionable content - be careful. That statement and the headline lead us at first glance to believe that Apple said this. In fact, this is speculation and Apple has literally made no comment regarding the French law other than to say, I believe, that they would not officially comment until after the French Senate vote.
All it takes is this: "says Forbes" or "According to Forbes,"
It makes a big difference. - tekmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16By pulling out of France, might they be provoking France to try to propose a similar bill through the EU?
- largobargo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21It's refreshing to see a country that places the interests of the people over the interests of corporations (handful of rich people).
It's too bad that so many americans have been tricked into acting against their own interests.
France is definitely many years ahead of the USA in this area. - RealSurreal, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20well even if they do open itunes i wouldn't buy it anyways I don't want crippled music and crappy quality, go ahead fan boys i know what you think, but I think the french are right for demanding alternative ways of enjoying music even if the music is from itunes. Maybe some people in this world don't like ipods and would like to enjoy itunes with their player of choice. I think it just shows that apple is not a as flexible as other companies. Those kind of companies don't get my business!
- joshduck, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25"Um... because Mircosoft isn't limited DRM'd files to Microsoft-only devices. This is a question of allowing competing devices a fighting chance, not a question of removing Apple's DRM completely."
Exactly. The changes that were outlined in that article seem reasonable. What Apple are doing is abusing their monopoly with iTunes and iPods. You basically can't use one with out the other. - wonginator1221, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17You know.... im pretty sure limewire, kazaa, bit torrent etc. exists in France... So it not that apple staying or leaving will make a large difference. If you can't get it for your mp3 player off of itunes, there's also many other ways....
Plus... jHymn - Jessehk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I would have commented on a previous reply, but for some reason, some [reply] buttons just don't show up.
I think there is a real problem with the maturity level when comments saying "I hate France" have 38 diggs and comments with something interesting or defensive are modded down to -11.
Frankly (and I have said this before), it is really pitiful. I may have (as somebody once told me on a forum ) a "persecution complex", and you may all be thinking "What a moron. We're just joking", but this is the root of persecution and racism.
And , to continue my rant, when a topic is brought to the front page, and somebody posts a debatable opinion that happens to differ from the mainstream, they are immediately censored.
I will be modded down -100 (maybe more), but I think a lot of you need to just grow up, and realize that there are different people, and opinions in the world that won't always match yours. - slantyeyed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14apple will have to compromise sooner or later, they can't take this stance with every country that decides to do this . . . all it takes for a couple more countries to follow suit and apple won't have any more countries to sell to.
- chembro84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The difference is that PS3 games cannot play 360 games, the systems do the same thing, but are completely different.
The only thing that is stopping other mp3 players from playing iTunes music files is DRM, not a fundamental difference in technology.
I don't see what Apple's problem is, let other players play iTunes songs (I know they don't make too much money of the songs, but they're not loosing money) and continue to make the most popular MP3 player (or pretty much the most popular consumer electronic since the walkman), if someone takes the market share from Apple, that means they made a better product, but to lock people into the iPod just because of iTunes is dumb. - chesterton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I wonder *why* this issue has become so important all of a sudden to the French. I'd love to be able to "follow the money" on this and trace the source of the lobbying that brought this before the French National Assembly.
- btipling, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I hope they open it up so I can view my itune videos I buy on Ubuntu and not have to switch back forth between it and Windows XP.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12That too will be easily hackable.
Streamintg as a form of copy-protection isn't a good idea. (Copy-protection in general isn't, but this moreso.)
Internet radio for example can stream over HTTP, but mostly the hosts use an obscure proprietary protocol to be less save-able to your hard-drive. With the right app. you can tape Internet radio to hdd, the same would be true for what you are suggesting.
'Obscure=uncrackable' reasoning is retarded, but so is the whole industry. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The RIAA is an American organization. It means nothing outside US borders.
- modularsky, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@terminalpariah:
Well, actually, the libertarians would be more against DRM than anything...check your political parties man, because the libertarians, if anyone, would be the first to strike down DRM technology. - zarmattathustra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9So one of the things that the article doesn't mention is a big part of how Apple has positioned it's self in the market with there iPod is with iTunes iPod integration.. All being apart of the "iPod Experiance," you know.. where people buy them cause there simple.. So the French law is probably really really bad for Apple... On the other hand.. we probably want economic systems where companies self interest help the common good... so maybe what the French are saying has it's merits? In any event, you'd have to look into this deeper then this article!!!
- titaniumdecoy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I hope Apple decides to comply with this decision. It may set an example and eventually instigate change in other places such as the US. It is high time that similar legislation was passed in this country, preventing from controlling businesses from dictating what you can and can't do with your music.
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -57/+65Good for France. They are doing the right thing.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Apple refuses to license their Fairplay DRM technology to competitors. Also, this is the only DRM format supported by Apple. Therefore, no one can sell DRM'ed media that plays on the iPod. Also, no other mp3 player can directly play a song bought from iTMS. The iPod shuffle actually has hardware capable of playing WMA files, but Apple chose not to support the feature.
- mikm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If it weren't for the French in the 18th Century, you wouldn't be a "blue-blooded American".
- snooo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Good to know ignorance is alive and well and living on Digg.com
- zouhair, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I'm telling this everywhere
WHY FOR GOD SAKE people buy lossless music ???? I am concerned because this put it as standard for all that lossy/crappy music is enough for you
No it's not enough
Don't even tell you about Over-Volume CDs that come around these days : http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm - nhansen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Lefrenzy...props for engaging in dialogue in a foreign language (assuming you're French). I bet you're one of a few on this post who can say that. Most can barely speak English, except to mutter "i hate." All I have to say is that the sad state of American education is really shining on this post. How quickly we forget that it was the French government that went in to debt (spawning the French revolution) financing the American revolution. We wouldn't have had Independence were it not for the French...guess they left that one out of the text books. Every republic (yes, we're a republic) has its day...and ours is just about up.
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well, there goes all those "Apple loves the customer" arguments I always get thrown in my face. If they are going to completely cancel their ITunes service in France because of this, its obvious all they really love is keeping the customer locked to them with extremely closed and propitery hardware and software. Even microsoft dosent do it to this much of an extreme.
- jramos, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26When their business is a monopoly, they have every right to force them to change.
- Korvaras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This could have been an interesting thread. Then it died. By the way... The U.S.A as it stands, would NEVER have existed if it wasn't for the American revolution being funded by the French. There's NOTHING wrong with the French, you ignorant sods.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12French people and the French government are not the same people. I'm for whatever gives them the most freedom in choice with their products and consumer purchases as people - period. Couldn't care less about their government though.
- zouhair, on 10/12/2007, -20/+27And France it's the country of France
So what is more valuable People or a ***** Stupid Product? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10But is that their intention? If so this is fanboyism at its worst; if microsoft proposed a similar system people would be tearing strips off them
How about if Sony decided their DVDs can only be played on Sony DVD players, would people support that too? I doubt it - SinisterAngel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16I fail to see the logic whereby people argue that they have a right to force an entity's creation to be openly interoperable with another entity's creation. If you don't like how Apple is operating, don't buy their products, it's that simple. This is especially proven with comments like prophet's where "... the iPod will just be another mp3 player ... and iTunes will be another music store".
I find this sort of thing humorous in a sick way because everyone cries for "competition" or whatever, yet they fail to realize that by punishing success like this, there is no incentive to excel to such a great level. - okcomputer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9what about that revolutionary war thing....? i like being an american not a british colonist, so the french cant be that bad
- jimio, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17From what I can tell, the French have been talking to the other 'big' EU countries ( UK, DE, ES, IT) and they pretty much will follow suit WHEN Apple backs down.
Apple knows it is too much of their 5% to piss off...
How any of one can even support ***** DRM *****( Apple or MS) is beyond me...
No Digg mind, too much French bashing! - alfoy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9If Apple drops the DRM in France, they'll just have to up the DRM in other regions to keep the unprotected music from leaking out. And Apple's client (RIAA and record companies) ain't gonna go for that. Perhaps Apple can convince them that their overall sales will rise if they take leadership...but that's one heck of a lot of nervous accountants to convince.
It's cool that this fight is finally starting, but this is just the warm-up bout, given that HD video is about emerge - and you gotta know every single bit is gonna be locked down tight by some even scarier DRM scheme. Not sure if France can motivate that change.
And I'm also not convinced that MSFT isn't just looking to this an opening to screw over Apple, again. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7As far as I'm concerned, once I've bought an MP3 I should be able to do what the hell I like with it, if I want to compress it onto a floppy and stick it up my arse I should be allowed to
I don't see what concern it is of Apples what I do with something I've bought from them, as long as what I'm doing is within the law it should be fair play - MattH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The problem with your argument about dgital music is that ACC nad MP3 are lossy formats therefore they loose quality everytimeyou convert them from one format to another .If you make a copy of the song without chaging the format or converting the bittrate then the song remains the same .
If you where talking about Lossless Foramts like FLAC .Losless ACC or Losless WMA then your argument may stick . - bobbyj1049, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24who has more power the EU or the pissed off europeans when they can't get an iPod?
- slantyeyed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8true, then somebody develops an EU-friendly alternative to iTunes (or an apple competitor offers to open up their service and take a chance at chipping away at iTunes' dominance) . . . and apple can say bye-bye to the european market
- mikm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I am thoroughly ashamed of my fellow (American) Diggers.
- jjb123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7They are just saying what we are all thinking.
- Chasuk, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14puffarthur, monolith, dongiaconia, kev585, Heiliger, and all of the other losers with the Francophobe sentiments... none of you are fit to suck the sweat off a Frenchman's nads.
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