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- Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -7/+112I've an idea! Why don't we wait until the iPhone actually comes out, and then compare them?
- growlzor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+59Because iPhone is in the title this will probably be hitting the front page in a couple minutes. The whole article is 7 pages so for those of you who are lazy like me heres the conclusion
Conclusion and Final Thoughts (http://www.ocia.net/articles/iphone700p/page7.shtml)
So, should you hold out and wait for the iPhone or go with something that has been on the market for a while now and has a solid 3rd party application offering? That question depends on several variables. How much money are you willing to spend on a wireless phone? Will you make use of the majority of iPhone features? Are you locked into a contract with another wireless provider?
If you decide to pass on the iPhone, you aren't necessarily making a terrible decision. As we showed here today, there are other very capable phones on the market right now at a fraction of the price. While the 700p only comes with 60 MB of usable memory, it does make use of an SD slot that can accept expansion cards to greatly increase memory capacity. Many companies now offer SD cards in 8 GB versions, effectively equaling the memory capacity of the iPhone. The Treo 700p we used for comparison purposes is packed with many more features than we discussed and the doors open even wider when you take into account the thousands of 3rd party applications that are available for download. Some of my favorite 3rd party apps include PDA Net (allows you to use your phone as a wireless, broadband modem for your computer/laptop), PDA Reach (allows you to interact with your phone from your computer screen - you can use the keyboard and mouse instead of the controls on the phone for things like text messaging and e-mailing), LightWav (a ringtone program that allows you to use mp3 files as ringtones and full screen photos for each caller) and Toccer (an instant messaging program).
There is no doubt that 3rd party applications will be released for the iPhone as well, but it will take some time for these apps to surface and mature. The bottom line; if I didn't already have a smartphone and wasn't locked into a contract with Sprint, I would more than likely have the iPhone on my short list of upcoming purchases. But for now, I am perfectly happy with the Treo 700p and don't feel as though I will be missing out on too terribly much when the iPhone is released to the public next month." - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34i'd like that guy to fit a few more ads onto his site.
- stopsucking, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15How can you review that which you cannot touch/see/play with? It's the Treo vs a photograph of an iPhone.
- colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13"Right, because everyone else had 30GB harddrives and 15 hour batteries.
Oh wait, no Apple kind of was the first one to do that."
The iPod was a 5 gig device with a 5 hour battery.
"And who makes smartphones? I don't know Motorola, Samsung, Blackberry, Palm, HTC, Sony Ericcson, Nokia, HP, Kyocera .. and the list continues. All of these companies make strong smart phone offerings and many beat the iphone in critical functionality, such as exchange e-mail pushing, full third party support and 3G, three things than can make or break an expensive phone.
But you said "Microsoft". That shows me how much you actually know about this topic -- MS makes a smart phone OS, but has never made a phone."
Apple had about the same number of competing MP3 players when it entered the MP3 space. It's not like when Apple made the iPod no one else was making MP3 players. There were dozens and dozens of MP3 players on the market, and none of them were simply friendly enough to take on more traditional audio players like the CD player. In the same way, Apple will work on making the smartphone friendlier to compete with the traditional cell phone, something that the current smartphone makers haven't been able to do. - betterth, on 10/11/2007, -9/+19*Preview, really.
You can't review hardware that isn't available.
@colincornaby
Why does everyone compare this to the ipod? This is totally different!
This isn't revolutionizing a near-competitorless market with a brand new idea that really has never been done before.
This is entering a massively competitive market where the iphone brings very little to the table in the terms of straight up innovation and improvements to how phones work. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9How about "BREAKING NEWS: Top 10 reasons why Ron Paul uses an Iphone"
- Damienk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Would you two girls stop bickering.
- jayvdc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Oh look another iPhone topic haha... to save time someone needs to submit a story entitled "Ron Paul 2008 uses iPhone"
- Luigi239, on 10/11/2007, -3/+113G actually consists of a number _and_ a letter.
- Liam5, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12It's not really the Features that make Iphone great, it's the simple interface. I think the Iphone won't be the best phone for us "Techies" but those who just don't have the time to fool around with their phone... and need things to work... and be simple to use at the same time.
- tobsterius, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I didn't know Treo fanboys existed. Most treo users I talk to hates their phones.
- superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13The author speaks as one wo has owned the 700p for a while.
Let me speak as someone who has explicitly not owned the 700p ever since it came out - a former Palm owner who wanted to love it but just can't. To me, the iPhone is exactly what Palm should have been offering by now in terms of interface polish and usability. The simple fact is Palm started of briliantly, then lost the way - and the schsm in supporting the 700p (Palm) vs. W (Windows Mobile) model isn't helping the matter of focus.
So like so many others, come June I will buy an iPhone and sigh for the Palm that might have been. - ajchavar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6BREAKING NEWS: Ron Paul uses iPhone pre-production with and announces new Mac Book Pros while playing and ranking the Top-10 Wii games with Kevin Rose! [pics]
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7get a room.
- r3zonance, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12"Palm and windows mobile have been on phones for years now, and because of that, have a lot of the major kinks worked out."
Really, cos MS seem to be adding a lot more features into each release of Windows Mobile, and also add more kinks to go with it. My phone has on multiple occasions crashed (without me realising it). Everything about the device says it is working fine, I can go into my applications and use them and the UI updates. The only time I realise is when I try and make use of either the phone or Wi-Fi functionality and it does nothing.
I reboot my phone (which really pisses me off) and I have 10 text messages and 8 missed calls instantly, that were sent ages ago. Also the phone takes about 2-3 minutes to boot up, which is utterly crap. The user inteface sucks and is quite clunky, and all Windows PDA devices have this ludicrous spec whereby the RAM is only saved as long as there is power in the device (and the battery lasts maybe 72 hours on standby).
The only good thing is developing software for it is reasonably easy. I say reasonably because the Compact .Net Framework is the same as the Desktop .Net framework, but with most of the useful stuff removed. - wooties, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10my 8525 does that. .. and so do most other ppc phones. Oh, and two letters: 3G.
- timtimes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I prefer to get my technical advice from a website that doesn't suck.
Enjoy. - EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9An awful lot of people are laying the success of the iPhone on the doorstep of the iPod. It could just as likely be the next Newton or Pippin. Not every Apple product is a huge commercial success.
- rwallen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Palm and windows mobile have been on phones for years now, and because of that, have a lot of the major kinks worked out. I'm as excited as the next person to see the iPhone but my only worry is if I get one early on, will there be some horrible bug that cripples my phone. I'm sure this won't be the case but you never really know, not until it's been out for a little while anyway.
- alceria, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I love when people write very in-concisely in order to drag a 1-page story into 7 pages so we can see 7 pages worth of ads. And why the f*ck has adblock forsaken me?
I just want the visual voicemail. Yeah the phone is sexy, but I really don't give a crap about the other features. I just want to push a button and hear the one and only message I'm interested in at that particular moment. That is the best cell phone enhancement ever. - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8@betterth
"a few buttons"
The 700p has 46 buttons on it's face. The iPhone has 1. - cleverboy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Walter S. Mossberg wrote:
"Still, the iPhone made my relatively new Treo 700p seem primitive in many respects when I compared them side by side. And the Apple product isn't Palm's only problem."
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20070111/blackjack-treo-iphone/
Walter S. Mossberg wrote:
"Of these two phones, I prefer the BlackJack. But if you're in the market for a smart phone and can afford $499, you might want to wait until June for the Apple iPhone. The Apple entry is so full of promise that anyone buying a smart phone in 2007 should at least wait for the full reviews and a chance to try it out."
Just FYI. Mossberg used it for at least 15-20 minutes of tooling around (amongst others). I tend to trust people who're judging something they've actually used firsthand. I'll pass on the Treo, but thanks for reminding me its still out there. My experience with them has been relatively bad, so its likely I'd resign to the Blackberry if iPhone doesn't live up to the hype. - AFeld, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Oh come on, you obviously favor the Treo.
"This crappy list of MP3s is JUST as good as an iPod!" - betterth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It's not about features.
Right, because RIM didn't turn into a massive success for the "feature" of doing exchange pushing right.
But you are right, it's not all about functionality for the lion-share of the market.
It's about price. And at 600$, only people who care about features are going to buy that phone. - zimsters, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6they should compare the iphone to a higher spec phone such as the HTCs, maybe the htc tytn. the treo is quite old in terms of technology.
- colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10"Its an valid review - you cant bury a topic based on your opinion and that your a Apply 'fan boy'"
Why would Apple fanboys bury it? Overall, it seems to be pretty upbeat on the iPhone. The big negative thing that the article seems to say is the iPhone isn't a mature or proven platform yet, which given that the iPhone isn't out yet, is not a big shocker.
Everyone acts like the iPhone will succeed or fail entirely based on it's launch sales numbers. Apple fanboys have been through all this before. The iPod launched with limited supply, at an extremely high price. It took a few versions, but the iPod became very popular. I expect a few versions from now, the iPhone will have a very respectable market share. That won't stop snide remarks from the Microsoft shills the first year or so after the iPhone launch while the iPhone builds marketshare. But the same people said the same things about how successful the iPod would be, and they were dead wrong. Apple will learn from every variation of the iPhone they do and build a better one. Apple certainly isn't releasing a perfect product from the get go, and I don't think anyone was expecting a perfect product. - danielwsmithee, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6The problem really is that the only innovative feature is something you can't use/understand until you get your hands on it. The multi-touch display and interface causes people to either get really excited about it or they just don't see that it is a new feature. Comparing a Dell Axim to the iPhone touch display is like comparing AM mono radio to sterio music from your CD player. Until you here the difference most people were probably saying "So what". As far as specifications of the device are concerned the iPhone elicits the same response of "So what". When you get your hands on the new feature and use it it will either be a big flop or a revolution. Personally I don't see myself purchasing until you can get ~16GB for ~$300, and all the bugs and kinks have been worked out, but there will be plenty of early adopters.
- zweben, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Partially working mirror:
http://www.ocia.net.nyud.net:8080/articles/iphone700p/page1.shtml - NWFackler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I love all these articles that compare the iPhone (an unreleased product!!) to other phones that are out, even though they havent even showed us half of the features that are available. Only God and Jobs knows whats really to come.
- morcheeba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3just joining in the fun here... The PJB was 5.9×1×3.15, or 4x the volume of the current 30GB ipod. It was music capacity or battery life that mattered to buyers, it was size, usability, and style.
- imacashew, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7@r3zonance
You really shouldn't try to blame the OS just cause you have crappy hardware. You amaze me more than people who buy eMachines and then say that Windows is slow. I work with an office full of people with different generations of windows mobile and none of us have ever had a problem like you're describing...very few of us have had any to speak of.
"all Windows PDA devices have this ludicrous spec whereby the RAM is only saved as long as there is power in the device" -- are you working with some 5 year old iPaq or something? the HTC 3135 saves everything to flash, and I'm pretty sure all the similar devices for the last 3 years have done the same.
broad generalizations are pretty common on the internet today, but digg is the worst. You fanboys dugg him up for his crappy rant just cause you think it makes MS look bad. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4isn't the 750 out already? why are they comparing the iphone to the 700?
- WikiEasy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8One question. How the F* are people with long fingernails going to use the iPhone? That alone cuts out a good majority of wemenz.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3and you get to be an AT&T customer, they have revolutionary customer service and NEVER rip you off!
- Kazrog, on 10/11/2007, -8/+11What the iPhone needs is the only true killer app of the Palm platform - DopeWars. Then they will have a sale with me. :)
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6
errrr...
the iPhone most likely will not reset itself 3 times a day... and the syncing will actually work with Macs
sincerely,
a 700p owner that has tried The Missing Sync and all the rest of the apps and cheats for proper syncing - ericdano, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Seriously. Until you see and have a chance to USE the final product, you really can't review it.
But, you know, it is the internet, and everyone is an EXPERT at everything... - chimaera2005, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Better question (already mentioned at least once before in these comments): Why are they comparing an unreleased phone to anything?
- elfuego, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Does the iPhone play any video content other than h.264? No? Well, in that case I'll stick to my 650. There's a lot to be said for dragging/dropping my TV and movie torrents to watch on the bus.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5But its not the Apple Treo 700! Don't you see?
- brufleth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@staed
No actually a much larger percentage of us learned to type a very long time ago and do not even know what our keyboards look like. - geniusj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@colin
"The iPod was a 5 gig device with a 5 hour battery."
10 hour battery. Both advertised, and in reality (at least for a while). I had one, thank you very much. - longbow486, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@mrmarkham
"I'll be in line on June 19th with $600 in hand, for sure."
i'll take my 600$ and buy a round trip to hawaii for two weeks. - Bandito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Because an article written by playafly187 and edited by FunkZ just oozes with credibility.
Wake me up when the iPhone is actually released and real time comparisons, reviews, benchmarks, etc. beyone speculation an be made. - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Also lets not forget "real" smartphones always have bluetooth keyboard function/capability.
I had enough time wasting with daily iPhone spam today, I will bury it as "spam" and get out of Digg/Apple. - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Jbenchmark(.com) guys just benchmarked Nokia N95, it is 1544 Kbps on 3G network. Yes,real life test.
Salling(.com) Software's lead developer almost lost his mind because he left N95 connected/benchmarked overnight for software testing and it didn't drop 10% battery level. Full battery. That is also a GPS device.
Keep having fun with Palm. Next time compare it to some same price level device such as Nokia.
Having to type these kinds of comments on a $thousands Quad G5 makes me really really feel weird but at least I am not drooling over a device which has NOT Shipped and looks even primitive when compared to historical Nokia 7650 in some aspects such as third party app support. - gerkin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Nothing to see here except someone defending their year old phone against the new, upcoming, and mostly unkown features of the iPhone. A great sceintific analysis using things such as images and video of the iPhone from the keynote demonstration. Move along folks. Let's at least wait till the iPhone is actually out there before everyone goes nutso for it.
I won't be buying one. The price is waaaay too steep for me ... when you consider the 3 year lockin required and in Canada they are saying it will only be Rogers ... which requires a 3 year data contract with rates that are unbelievable in this day and age... which in turns may end up requiring a second mortgage on your home (if you think I'm kidding read below for some figures).
How's this for a "good deal" for a data package, add $10/month onto an existing phone plan and you get data services, along with a whopping 10MB of data for the month (which they claim is more than enough for most users if they are doing simple things) ... their regular bandwidth charge is $0.05 per kilobyte (yes kb, not MB), ibut f you sign up on a data plan you get it for the "discount" of $0.03 per kb (and you have no choice in this, you need a data plan for the iPhone).
So even if you use < 10MB per month on the iPhone (wich is extremely unlikely, you'll probably use this much just polling the network) let's do the math on the real cost of the iPhone:
take ($10 per month) * (12 months per year) * (3 years) == $360 + say $599 for the iPhone so let's say about $1000 without even considering the phone plan yet. This also gives you 10MB or less data usage per month. So let's say you watch one 5 minute youtube video ... your bandwidth allotment is now gone for the month and you pay the regular (discounted?) rates now.
Let's say you use an additional 10MB of data in one month, which is extremely conservative (i.e. you watched 2 5 min long youtube videos and did nothing else at all) ... and let's do the math:
$10 for first 10MB
10MB == 10,240kb (10 * 1024)
10240 * $0.03 == $307.20 (kb used * per kb rate)
So for that next 10MB youtube video you pay:
$307.20
Multiply that monthly bandwidth usage by say 5-10 times for the average geeks usage per month, if not MUCH more than this ... Are you seeing a trend here? How many Canadian geeks who don't read the fine print will end up losing their house to pay their bandwidth bills? - betterth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Is that you, Steve?
- eexlebots, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Oh jesus god almighty, this article is so full of *****-so designed just to sell adspace. 'Hey here is the speclist for the iphone, why don't I compare it to the Treo and make a quick buck!"
The warning sign is right off, when the reviewer states, "I am quite familiar with the iPhone." Oh, really? Wow. Great connections there buddy. -
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